More M4: When the Mac will get upgraded with the latest Apple Silicon

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So far, the only Apple hardware with the M4 chip is the iPad Pro -- but Macs getting upgrades is inevitable. Here's when you can expect every Mac in the lineup to catch up.

More M4 Macs could launch in 2024 and early 2025
More M4 Macs could launch in 2024 and early 2025



In May, Apple updated the iPad Pro with the M4 chip, making it the first in its product catalog. The iPad Pro was even updated to the latest Apple Silicon release ahead of all other Mac models, including some that are usually among the first to use it.

With a hardware-free WWDC 2024 behind us, the Mac user's attention now turns to future events. All of which can be opportunities for Apple to bring the Mac and MacBook Pro models up to M4 and beyond.

This is a list of when each of the Mac models could get a chip upgrade to the latest generation.

Plausible update times



Following after WWDC, there are precious few events left in the calendar for a public update to occur. The main event is the September launch of the iPhone, which typically includes a number of other products.

Apple also occasionally holds a second event in October, and has rarely held one in November.

Of all of its products, Macs are the most likely to be introduced in these later events. On these occasions, the Mac has been the dominant product for the event most of the time, making it a more focused presentation.

For example, "Scary Fast" in the ending days of October 2023 was 32 minutes from start to finish.

That said, Apple doesn't have to actually hold a presentation. In the past, when it performs spec-bump updates, it has sometimes decided to issue a press release instead of holding an event.

While new Mac models are newsworthy, they aren't always worth the effort for Apple to make a song and dance, unless there are big design changes too.

Events are the main focal points for all the Mac launches for M4.

M4 Mac mini



The Mac mini was, for the first two generations at least, among the initial Mac models to get Apple Silicon changes. However, it's missed out on the M3 generation so far.

The last update it had was in January 2023, making it a year and a half since its current-level upgrade.

With other models accelerating the time between regular updates, this makes the Mac mini a prime candidate to be early on the M4 train.

A silver Apple Mac Mini computer on a desk, with an LG monitor in the background displaying a macOS desktop.
The classically designed Mac mini



Rumors have persisted that new models of the Mac mini will be arriving between the end of 2024 and early 2025.

An update would likely include both low and high-end models. Since the M2 edition also includes the M2 Pro, and that Apple introduced three tiers of M3 chips at launch, it seems plausible for something similar to happen with M4 at that time.

M4 MacBook Air



Apple last updated the 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air to M3 in March 2024, making it barely more than three months old. The M2 13-inch MacBook Air arrived in July 2022 while the 15-inch appeared in June 2023.

A laptop sitting on a white surface displaying a swirling, abstract green pattern on its screen.
15-inch MacBook Air in Silver



Three monthis is too short a timeframe for Apple to even consider bringing out an update in the next few months. But, even so, Apple always has the option of making a chip-only upgrade without incorporating new features.

New MacBook Air models are expected to arrive in the spring of 2025. This puts the MacBook Air in a prime position for an annual chip upgrade cycle.

M4 14-inch MacBook Pro, 16-inch MacBook Pro



The 14-inch MacBook Pro and the 16-inch MacBook Pro were last updated in October 2023, with the hardware arriving in November.

Those models were the debut of the M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max chips.

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MacBook Pro



WWDC marked seven months into the product life cycle. Add in that the M2 versions were released in January of 2023, just ten months before the M3, and a late 2024 update seems to be a fairly good time for M4.

MacBook Pro upgrades are in the ballpark of late 2024 or early 2025. The end of 2024 has also been proposed by DSCC analyst Ross Young in a June tweet.

M4 iMac



The 24-inch iMac has had a fairly spotty update schedule compared to others. The initial M1 model arrived in May 2021, but Apple didn't even bother introducing an M2 edition at all.

Users had to wait until November 2023, a year and a half later, before Apple brought out the M3 iMac.

Desktop computer with a turquoise screen, white keyboard and mouse on a desk, next to a white bottle and headphones on a stand.
Apple's 24-inch iMac



We can't necessarily say that the Apple Silicon iMac is skipping chip generations, nor that has a definitive 18-month update cycle. It's entirely plausible that Apple could bring out an M4 version and shorten the time between upgrades to a year.

The iMac is another potential candidate to be upgraded by the end of 2024, or in early 2025.

There are perennial rumors about the iMac getting a larger screen, or perhaps the rebirth of the iMac Pro. There's not much to these rumors at present, and all of them are mostly dust and echoes in late June 2024.

M4 Mac Studio and Mac Pro



The Mac Studio and the Mac Pro are some of the most troubled products in the release schedule, in part due to their similarity. Both are high-powered systems aimed at performance, with the only real differences being styling and a bit of Mac Pro upgradability.

The Mac Studio originally arrived in the M1 generation in March 2022. It received an update to M2 in June 2023, a year and three months later.

Apple Silicon got put into the Mac Pro at the same time. It used the same M2 Ultra chip.

Silver computer tower with rounded edges, a perforated front panel, and a shiny, curved handle on top.
The Mac Pro had a troubled Apple Silicon launch.



Both models have so far been ignored in the M3 generation. With their relatively limited consumer base compared to other models due to their price and capabilities, it's likely that Apple could skip M3 in favor of an M4 release.

This also justifies Apple leaving the updates of the models to later in the M4 cycle. And if Apple does, it will be the first time that Apple brings its entire Mac lineup to a current Apple Silicon generation.

But, this release isn't expected until 2025.



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  • Reply 1 of 22
    If anything, the lower sales volume of the Mac Studio and Mac Pro should make those machines among the first to get the new M4 chips. What does it say to professionals when the entry level product lines consistently get the newest technology? I understand if the Max, Ultra or rumored Extreme versions of the M4 aren't ready yet, but Apple should at the very least release a M4 and M4 Pro Mac mini as soon as possible. Those aren't high sellers either so they wouldn't cannibalize too many of the M4 chips from other devices.

    It just becomes problematic when an iPad Pro has a M4 chip and other prosumer and professional Macs are behind. It also creates confusion in the marketplace because many buyers won't know that a M2 Max is faster than a M4 chip. They will just assume the higher number means better.
    williamlondondanoxkeithwAlex1Njrfunklibertyandfreemacike
  • Reply 2 of 22
    I just bought a MacBook Pro with an M3 Pro last year to replace the same computer that had an Intel i7 in it. I am happy with the performance boost and making my computer more inline with the future. If a MacBook Pro with an M4 appears, I will stick to my M3 Pro because it still works for me. Until I see something that the M4 does that my M3 Pro cannot do, I will be happy.

    I’m an old computer guy. I still remember the days when you buy an IBM PC compatible and, sometimes less than a year, a new model comes out that makes you feel like your current model is obsolete. It wasn’t obsolete, but you could not help but feel like it was.
    Fidonet127williamlondonAlex1Nmacike
  • Reply 3 of 22
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,394member
    If anything, the lower sales volume of the Mac Studio and Mac Pro should make those machines among the first to get the new M4 chips. What does it say to professionals when the entry level product lines consistently get the newest technology? I understand if the Max, Ultra or rumored Extreme versions of the M4 aren't ready yet, but Apple should at the very least release a M4 and M4 Pro Mac mini as soon as possible. Those aren't high sellers either so they wouldn't cannibalize too many of the M4 chips from other devices.

    It just becomes problematic when an iPad Pro has a M4 chip and other prosumer and professional Macs are behind. It also creates confusion in the marketplace because many buyers won't know that a M2 Max is faster than a M4 chip. They will just assume the higher number means better.
    If ACDC uses an Ultra class chip (as opposed to some bespoke thing), then I wonder if Apple is prioritizing their data centers over the Mac. And actually, even if ACDC is a customized thing that isn't used anyplace else, then Apple might still need to prioritize how they use their allotted foundry capacity, and might prioritize making ACDC chips over Mac desktop chips. Maybe Apple needs to add another foundry. 
    Chris_PelhamAlex1N
  • Reply 4 of 22
    Rogue01Rogue01 Posts: 165member
    It is embarrassing that Apple cannot even put the same family of silicon in all of the Macs.  Instead, they waste the M4 in an iPad with the limited iPadOS.  The M4 should have been introduced in the mini, MacBook Air, base model MacBook Pro, and iMac.  Then shortly after bring out the M4 Pro and M4 Max & Ultra in the higher end MacBook Pro and Mac Studio and Mac Pro.
    edited June 24 muthuk_vanalingamAlex1Nlibertyandfreemacike
  • Reply 5 of 22
    Well, the M3 wouldn’t support iPad Pro’s new screen and they apparently had enough M4 chips ready so we got an M4 iPad Pro. As others have said, it may take them additional months to have enough M4’s to update all the other lines as well as to manufactures the M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra chips.  One other possible explanation for a delay could be that Apple wants to include Thunderbolt 5 in some or all of these models and bring out an updated Studio Display to take advantage.

    While Apple does sometimes just update a particular spec, it seems like when they multiple advancements at hand, they like to roll them out all at once rather than piecemeal. I couldn’t really see Apple announcing M4 (but not M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra) desktops now and then 4-9 months later adding those faster chips along with Thunderbolt 5 and whatever else might be upgraded. Probably there is not that much demand for the base model Studios and Mac Pros? And the advancement of the M4 would not be much news if it is slower than the high-end M2s so who would upgrade to that rather than wait a few more months for the truly high-power models? I get that its frustrating to know that the M4 is out and yet we seemingly won’t be able to use it in a Mac for awhile, but we can also see it as, you know, Christmas came early for the iPad Pro, the glass is half full rather than half empty, and lots more goodies are coming soon! :)
    tmayAlex1NCurtisHightdanox
  • Reply 6 of 22
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,394member
    Rogue01 said:
    It is embarrassing that Apple cannot even put the same family of silicon in all of the Macs.  Instead, they waste the M4 in an iPad with the limited iPadOS.  The M4 should have been introduced in the mini, MacBook Air, base model MacBook Pro, and iMac.  Then shortly after bring out the M4 Pro and M4 Max & Ultra in the higher end MacBook Pro and Mac Studio and Mac Pro.
    could be they (or rather, TSMC) can't make make enough M4s at this point to launch it in all products all at once. 

    TSMC is capacity constrained. Apple has a lot of that capacity reserved, but it could be they can't access more if needed. Maybe time to add a second foundry. 
    Alex1NChris_Pelham
  • Reply 7 of 22
    AniMillAniMill Posts: 171member
    I wonder if Apple is manufacturing a unique chiplet for their AI data centers? I can see a special M4-AI chip that has fewer CPUs and GPUs, but far more ML cores that can all be paralleled into a massive array. This would make sense demanding a major diminished capacity to make their M4 consumer products.
    Alex1NChris_Pelham
  • Reply 8 of 22
    CheeseFreezeCheeseFreeze Posts: 1,290member
    I’m in the market for a new laptop and it baffles me that just because Apple wanted to show to Qualcomm they can keep up, they decided to launch an M4 chip with a product that is inherently limited in how it can utilize the chip for day to day productivity. 
    Thus creating a “I’ll wait with buying a new computer” holding pattern with Mac users. 
    If the above timeline is correct, that’s a terrible strategy. Especially since I’m deep into AI for work, I can use all the extra power there is.
    macike
  • Reply 9 of 22
    Well, the M3 wouldn’t support iPad Pro’s new screen and they apparently had enough M4 chips ready so we got an M4 iPad Pro. As others have said, it may take them additional months to have enough M4’s to update all the other lines as well as to manufactures the M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra chips.  One other possible explanation for a delay could be that Apple wants to include Thunderbolt 5 in some or all of these models and bring out an updated Studio Display to take advantage.

    While Apple does sometimes just update a particular spec, it seems like when they multiple advancements at hand, they like to roll them out all at once rather than piecemeal. I couldn’t really see Apple announcing M4 (but not M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra) desktops now and then 4-9 months later adding those faster chips along with Thunderbolt 5 and whatever else might be upgraded. Probably there is not that much demand for the base model Studios and Mac Pros? And the advancement of the M4 would not be much news if it is slower than the high-end M2s so who would upgrade to that rather than wait a few more months for the truly high-power models? I get that its frustrating to know that the M4 is out and yet we seemingly won’t be able to use it in a Mac for awhile, but we can also see it as, you know, Christmas came early for the iPad Pro, the glass is half full rather than half empty, and lots more goodies are coming soon! :)
    I can’t judge a “delay”, but for my interest, intent, and investment, Thunderbolt 5 is primary. M4 is a step on the road toward this destination. (Somewhat similarly with the Vision Pro, with the current state of the technology, I am happy to offload the processing and power supply, and maybe EyeSight, too, but please sport the highest quality main display).
    Chris_Pelham
  • Reply 10 of 22
    Well, the M3 wouldn’t support iPad Pro’s new screen and they apparently had enough M4 chips ready so we got an M4 iPad Pro. As others have said, it may take them additional months to have enough M4’s to update all the other lines as well as to manufactures the M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra chips.  One other possible explanation for a delay could be that Apple wants to include Thunderbolt 5 in some or all of these models and bring out an updated Studio Display to take advantage.

    While Apple does sometimes just update a particular spec, it seems like when they multiple advancements at hand, they like to roll them out all at once rather than piecemeal. I couldn’t really see Apple announcing M4 (but not M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra) desktops now and then 4-9 months later adding those faster chips along with Thunderbolt 5 and whatever else might be upgraded. Probably there is not that much demand for the base model Studios and Mac Pros? And the advancement of the M4 would not be much news if it is slower than the high-end M2s so who would upgrade to that rather than wait a few more months for the truly high-power models? I get that its frustrating to know that the M4 is out and yet we seemingly won’t be able to use it in a Mac for awhile, but we can also see it as, you know, Christmas came early for the iPad Pro, the glass is half full rather than half empty, and lots more goodies are coming soon! :)
    I can’t judge a “delay”, but for my interest, intent, and investment, Thunderbolt 5 is primary. M4 is a step on the road toward this destination. (Somewhat similarly with the Vision Pro, with the current state of the technology, I am happy to offload the processing and power supply, and maybe EyeSight, too, but please sport the highest quality main display).
    The conventional wisdom says it is too soon for Thunderbolt 5, but apparently there are two additional Thunderbolt controllers in M4 versus M3. That seems promising, but I don’t know if it has been substantiated, or what it might mean.
    edited June 24 Chris_Pelham
  • Reply 11 of 22
    longfanglongfang Posts: 484member
    If anything, the lower sales volume of the Mac Studio and Mac Pro should make those machines among the first to get the new M4 chips. What does it say to professionals when the entry level product lines consistently get the newest technology? I understand if the Max, Ultra or rumored Extreme versions of the M4 aren't ready yet, but Apple should at the very least release a M4 and M4 Pro Mac mini as soon as possible. Those aren't high sellers either so they wouldn't cannibalize too many of the M4 chips from other devices.

    It just becomes problematic when an iPad Pro has a M4 chip and other prosumer and professional Macs are behind. It also creates confusion in the marketplace because many buyers won't know that a M2 Max is faster than a M4 chip. They will just assume the higher number means better.
    Those that think an M4 is faster than an M2 Max probably aren’t in the market for a Max series chip. 
    tenthousandthingsChris_Pelham
  • Reply 12 of 22
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,868member
    Kinda feeling Apple will buck history here and update quite a few Mac’s this year to m4 status for multiple reasons:

    a) it cleans up the generational mess over the last couple of years. 

    b) it puts further distance between apple silicon and Qualcomm’s disingenuous comparisons. 

    C) it allows for Apple Intelligence to shine on all Mac’s, showcasing Apple as the AI leader. 

    Between a and b, apple gets seen as the place to go for top tier ai. 
    Chris_Pelhams.metcalf
  • Reply 13 of 22
    saareksaarek Posts: 1,543member
    rpelleti said:
    I just bought a MacBook Pro with an M3 Pro last year to replace the same computer that had an Intel i7 in it. I am happy with the performance boost and making my computer more inline with the future. If a MacBook Pro with an M4 appears, I will stick to my M3 Pro because it still works for me. Until I see something that the M4 does that my M3 Pro cannot do, I will be happy.

    I’m an old computer guy. I still remember the days when you buy an IBM PC compatible and, sometimes less than a year, a new model comes out that makes you feel like your current model is obsolete. It wasn’t obsolete, but you could not help but feel like it was.
    The last time I felt that way was with my 16” Intel MacBook Pro. 

    I’d just dropped £3000 on it three months before they announced Apple Silicon.

    A few more the later I was playing with my wife’s M1 MacBook Air and I immediately knew that that MacBook Pro was already obsolete and needed replacing.
    Chris_Pelhamjas99
  • Reply 14 of 22
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,394member
    AniMill said:
    I wonder if Apple is manufacturing a unique chiplet for their AI data centers? I can see a special M4-AI chip that has fewer CPUs and GPUs, but far more ML cores that can all be paralleled into a massive array. This would make sense demanding a major diminished capacity to make their M4 consumer products.
    The CPU and GPU may not have the words neural in their names, but they are very capable of contributing to ‘apple intelligence’, including in ways that the ‘neural engine’ cannot. So the devil is really in the details of all the various models that make up ‘apple intelligence’ and how those models are implemented. 

    My hunch is that it makes more sense to have CPU/GPU resources in the cloud and neural engine close to the user, but that’s just a hunch.
    Chris_Pelham
  • Reply 15 of 22
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,681member
    Kinda feeling Apple will buck history here and update quite a few Mac’s this year to m4 status for multiple reasons:

    a) it cleans up the generational mess over the last couple of years. 

    b) it puts further distance between apple silicon and Qualcomm’s disingenuous comparisons. 

    C) it allows for Apple Intelligence to shine on all Mac’s, showcasing Apple as the AI leader. 

    Between a and b, apple gets seen as the place to go for top tier ai. 

    D) M3 is/was expensive to fab.

    Personally I think Apple will make the most of the M3 line until it becomes cost effective to ditch it. Sticking those SoC's in their highest selling systems; laptops and iMac is an indication that's what's going on here, especially after debuting the M4 in the latest iPad Pro. Any new Macs from this point forward will have the M4, and I think all of the aforementioned systems will be the last to get upgraded to it.

    This year (after macOS Sequoia is released) we'll see the rest of the "low sales" systems get upgraded to the M4...

    Mac mini M4/Pro
    Mac Studio M4 Max/Ultra
    Mac Pro M4 Ultra

    Then next Spring/Summer, the others will get updated. (And with the debut of the iMac M4, we'll finally get back the larger iMac Pro M4 Pro/Max)
  • Reply 16 of 22
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,681member

    I’m in the market for a new laptop and it baffles me that just because Apple wanted to show to Qualcomm they can keep up, they decided to launch an M4 chip with a product that is inherently limited in how it can utilize the chip for day to day productivity. 
    Thus creating a “I’ll wait with buying a new computer” holding pattern with Mac users. 
    If the above timeline is correct, that’s a terrible strategy. Especially since I’m deep into AI for work, I can use all the extra power there is.

    That sentiment baffles me... There is no limit in how it can "utilize" the chip. There is however an inherit limit in how much sustained performance it can get from the chip, due to thermal ceilings. But, the M4 is just as much about efficiency as it is performance, if not more. The M4 provides the same performance of the M2 while using half the power.

    That efficiency is dramatically on display in the fact that they could put an SOC like that in a device like the iPad. It's a mind blowing demonstration of the scalability of their designs. Wait until these cores hit the Apple TV, or Home Pods, or even Apple Watch.
    s.metcalfdanox
  • Reply 17 of 22
    mjtomlin said:
    Kinda feeling Apple will buck history here and update quite a few Mac’s this year to m4 status for multiple reasons:

    a) it cleans up the generational mess over the last couple of years. 

    b) it puts further distance between apple silicon and Qualcomm’s disingenuous comparisons. 

    C) it allows for Apple Intelligence to shine on all Mac’s, showcasing Apple as the AI leader. 

    Between a and b, apple gets seen as the place to go for top tier ai. 

    D) M3 is/was expensive to fab.

    Personally I think Apple will make the most of the M3 line until it becomes cost effective to ditch it. Sticking those SoC's in their highest selling systems; laptops and iMac is an indication that's what's going on here, especially after debuting the M4 in the latest iPad Pro. Any new Macs from this point forward will have the M4, and I think all of the aforementioned systems will be the last to get upgraded to it.

    This year (after macOS Sequoia is released) we'll see the rest of the "low sales" systems get upgraded to the M4...

    Mac mini M4/Pro
    Mac Studio M4 Max/Ultra
    Mac Pro M4 Ultra

    Then next Spring/Summer, the others will get updated. (And with the debut of the iMac M4, we'll finally get back the larger iMac Pro M4 Pro/Max)
    I think that is very plausible and even likely as long as they have the Max and Ultra chips ready.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 18 of 22
    s.metcalfs.metcalf Posts: 984member
    Kinda feeling Apple will buck history here and update quite a few Mac’s this year to m4 status for multiple reasons:

    a) it cleans up the generational mess over the last couple of years. 

    b) it puts further distance between apple silicon and Qualcomm’s disingenuous comparisons. 

    C) it allows for Apple Intelligence to shine on all Mac’s, showcasing Apple as the AI leader. 

    Between a and b, apple gets seen as the place to go for top tier ai. 
    Good points and I completely agree.

    Also, it would be embarrassing for Apple to enter the holidays still selling any M2 models.  Surely nobody in their right mind is buying them anymore.  The Mini, Studio and Pro need updating ASAP!

    While I’d like an “every Mac is M4-series” event, I feel Apple will holdover updating the M3 models unfortunately.  Probably early 2025.  Hope I’m wrong.
    edited June 25 danoxwilliamlondon
  • Reply 19 of 22
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,072member
    I’m in the market for a new laptop and it baffles me that just because Apple wanted to show to Qualcomm they can keep up, they decided to launch an M4 chip with a product that is inherently limited in how it can utilize the chip for day to day productivity. 
    Thus creating a “I’ll wait with buying a new computer” holding pattern with Mac users. 
    If the above timeline is correct, that’s a terrible strategy. Especially since I’m deep into AI for work, I can use all the extra power there is.

    No need to worry the new Qualcomm SOC can't keep up the intro of this SOC is as bad as the new Microsoft Recall AI feature.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-X-Elite-Analysis-More-efficient-than-AMD-Intel-but-Apple-stays-ahead.850221.0.html




    edited June 25 tenthousandthingswilliamlondon
  • Reply 20 of 22
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,868member
    mjtomlin said:
    Kinda feeling Apple will buck history here and update quite a few Mac’s this year to m4 status for multiple reasons:

    a) it cleans up the generational mess over the last couple of years. 

    b) it puts further distance between apple silicon and Qualcomm’s disingenuous comparisons. 

    C) it allows for Apple Intelligence to shine on all Mac’s, showcasing Apple as the AI leader. 

    Between a and b, apple gets seen as the place to go for top tier ai. 

    D) M3 is/was expensive to fab.

    Personally I think Apple will make the most of the M3 line until it becomes cost effective to ditch it. Sticking those SoC's in their highest selling systems; laptops and iMac is an indication that's what's going on here, especially after debuting the M4 in the latest iPad Pro. Any new Macs from this point forward will have the M4, and I think all of the aforementioned systems will be the last to get upgraded to it.

    This year (after macOS Sequoia is released) we'll see the rest of the "low sales" systems get upgraded to the M4...

    Mac mini M4/Pro
    Mac Studio M4 Max/Ultra
    Mac Pro M4 Ultra

    Then next Spring/Summer, the others will get updated. (And with the debut of the iMac M4, we'll finally get back the larger iMac Pro M4 Pro/Max)
    D) the old n3 process was expensive and yielded poorly. That’s yesterdays news. The new process yields well and is cost-effective. 

    Apple already let the world know it has moved on to m4 generation. The m3 max doesn’t even have an ultra interconnect, so apple knew they’d skip it. 

    Agreed on later points. 
    jas99
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