<strong>I have obviously hurt some peoples feelings in here, take it easy. But isn't this a lot more fun than a 67mz jump posting? Your response to me was about 3-4 times longer than your first post (the "important and enlightened one"). Thank you for proving my point so efficiently!</strong><hr></blockquote>
yet my post consisted 50% of yours posts sherlock.
you're so interesting. thank you for saving this thread. I owe ya one
2199 entry, 1ghz, DDR (psuedo or not, it saves power) TRAY LOADING DRIVES!!! higher res screen, 64MB Radeon9000. 12X Combo (which they'd already have if they had TRAY LOADING DRIVES!!!) Bigger standard HDD's. Denser battery for more realistic battery life projections.
ANYTHING short of this is a failure. PB is WAY overpriced. Style only goes so far.
Tray loading drives are definitely a possibility. Faced with the choice of putting in a combo slot load drive and a slim tray loading super drive, I think they would opt for the latter. And how about a dock? I'm currently using a PowerBook as my main machine at work and often take it from my desk to work in other rooms, home, vacations, etc.
I can't picture a TiBook with a tray loading drive. I just don't see how it would work. It would look fugly (yes, fugly).
Could a tray even fit in a TiBook?
Anyone remember that story about an Apple exec with a prototype 1ghz TiBook? Think there was any truth to that rumor? Perhaps all of applenut's specs are right except maybe they'll be 1Ghz and 867mhz processors. Hope springs eternal
You are welcome applenut. Keep it coming with the witty replies, that support my position!
As bad as people want them there is no way Apple will go backwards to give it a slot loader, if anything yhey may add the slot loader to other models, it is just to muchof the form factor they are going for. Maybe in the next case rev., nut not in an "update".
<strong>2199 entry, 1ghz, DDR (psuedo or not, it saves power) TRAY LOADING DRIVES!!! higher res screen, 64MB Radeon9000. 12X Combo (which they'd already have if they had TRAY LOADING DRIVES!!!) Bigger standard HDD's. Denser battery for more realistic battery life projections.
ANYTHING short of this is a failure. PB is WAY overpriced. Style only goes so far.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Matsu, I'm just curious. I have no clue if you're in the market for a new PB, but for argument's sake lets say you are.
Now, if in a few weeks apple came out with a PB that matched your specs and price exactly, except for the fact that the drive was slot loading, would you buy it or not?
Now, I REALLY don't want to hijack this thread and make it another "tray loading vs. slot loading" thread, but I'm curious. I just didn't think a drive mechanism could elicit such vehement hatred.
Now, I REALLY don't want to hijack this thread and make it another "tray loading vs. slot loading" thread, but I'm curious. I just didn't think a drive mechanism could elicit such vehement hatred.
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Tray vs. Slot be damned...
Some of use want Apple to bring back a removable bay drive. It can be Slot or Tray, I won't care.
I have upgraded my G3 PB to 500MHz and have bought every option instead of buying a new bayless PB. I am hoping that Apple will come to their senses and bring back the PB bay. If not, my next Laptop will be a Pentium laptop with removable bays (Running Linux or Solaris not M$).
That captures the essence of Future Hardware forum: wishes generate the predictions rather than facts.
Anyway, the PowerBook seems to use a 7455 because of the L3.
<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/brdata/PDFDB/docs/MPC7455FACT.pdf"; target="_blank">Here's the pdf</a> that talks about the lower-power 7455, which appears to be in the PowerBook. It says it's limited to 800Mhz. But who knows. I was absolutely certain that the PowerBook would use the 7445 last time around.
I too can't imagine them doing a 67Mhz bump without significant changes in other respects, on the order of a new enclosure. Or at least lotsa new features like the introduction of bluetooth, firewire 2, and/or superdrive.
You can have my slot-loader when you pry it from my cold dead fingers. Other than the loading mechanism there is really no difference. It isn't the slot-loading mechanism that's keeping the speeds down, its the size. There is no tray-loading drive that will fit into the current case and even if there was one small enough it would have the same specs as a slot-loader due to its size.
Pioneer (apples superdrive partner) has announced a slim, slotloading superdrive for this autumn... There was an article on this on maccentral a couple of days ago... Just thought you should know... oh, and by the way, I think Applenuts predictions are quite resonable, so there...
Apple even warns against 8cm media. Not good. While digital still on 8cm always seemed fadish to me, Digital Video on 8cm DVD discs isn't a bad idea. Weird sizes can go jump in a lake, but 8cm disc are part of the standard and ALL optical drives should handle it. It's NOT the thickness, it's the drive. Apple should at least provide a reliable 8cm to 12cm adaptor plate.
Flounder, to answer your question:
A 2199 entry model of appropriate spec would be on my desk provided Apple used a legit US-Canadian currency and not the bank of Jobs exchange rate. Even then, only if they get it out in time for me to get an edu discount.
I have the 800MHz Ti PowerBook, but if apple came out with a tray loading one I'd buy it in a second.
I know it never really caught on in this country but I love the 8cm CD-R's. They hold around 200MB of data, which is enough for most file transfers, and they are small enough to fit in a shirt pocket.
The not accepting odd shaped media is also slightly annoying. When someone gives you a business card CD at a convention, it would be nice to be able to read it without having to barrow someone else's pc laptop.
If the new PowerBook's don't have a tray it will need a large jump in computing power for me to upgrade.
I've always thought that they top PowerBook should have about 75-80% of the computing power of the top tower, and that's pretty much how the PowerBooks were running in the past. You pay more and they are not quite as powerful but you get mobility.
If applenut's predictions are right, and we only get a 867MHz PowerBook, it will only be around 30% as powerful as the top tower. That is a very bad ratio.
Of course, the only way for them to put the PowerBook in the proper power range would be to go with dual 1GHz G4s, and I don't think we are going to see dual processor portables any time soon.
I think the Powerbook is now hurting the most from a lack of a decent CPU. Everything in Apple's line-up is suffering, but the towers can at least get duals, and the consumer machines can at least get superdrives and/or cost less (though still too high).
They NEED a smaller fab process chip. Maybe a Sahara with VMX and a big Mhz bump? We're nearing the end of 2002. IBM originally planned a Sahara SIMD unit for right about now.
<strong>Pioneer (apples superdrive partner) has announced a slim, slotloading superdrive for this autumn... There was an article on this on maccentral a couple of days ago... Just thought you should know... oh, and by the way, I think Applenuts predictions are quite resonable, so there... </strong><hr></blockquote>
I know they announced a portable drive but there was no mention of its dimensions and no mention of being slotloading. I would imagine that it is too thick
Some of use want Apple to bring back a removable bay drive. It can be Slot or Tray, I won't care.
I have upgraded my G3 PB to 500MHz and have bought every option instead of buying a new bayless PB. I am hoping that Apple will come to their senses and bring back the PB bay. If not, my next Laptop will be a Pentium laptop with removable bays (Running Linux or Solaris not M$). </strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple will probably never make another laptop with removable drive bays. They are an engineering nightmare, add bulk, and make the computer more flimsy. Very un-apple-like. They have firewire and usb on their laptops for a reason, plus the drives in the new ones do so many things, there's not many reasons to need an external drive anyway.
The only benefit I see from removable drive bays is dual batteries, but just improving existing batteries and making computers more efficient should eventually produce the same effect.
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<strong>I have obviously hurt some peoples feelings in here, take it easy. But isn't this a lot more fun than a 67mz jump posting? Your response to me was about 3-4 times longer than your first post (the "important and enlightened one"). Thank you for proving my point so efficiently!</strong><hr></blockquote>
yet my post consisted 50% of yours posts sherlock.
you're so interesting. thank you for saving this thread. I owe ya one
800 Mhz and 933 Mhz
133 Mhz Bus
Same Graphics
Optimistic Prediction:
833 Mhz and 1Ghz
167 Mhz Bus
ATI 9000 with 64MB
Bluetooth
Superdrive
Over-the-top, but maybe not too far out prediction:
1Ghz and 1.167Ghz
167Mhz Bus w/DDR
ATi 9000 Graphics
Bluetooth and Faster AirPort
DVD RW
And I'm still amazed at how popular the current case is...so tht probably won't change until a new chip goes in it.
ANYTHING short of this is a failure. PB is WAY overpriced. Style only goes so far.
Could a tray even fit in a TiBook?
Anyone remember that story about an Apple exec with a prototype 1ghz TiBook? Think there was any truth to that rumor? Perhaps all of applenut's specs are right except maybe they'll be 1Ghz and 867mhz processors. Hope springs eternal
As bad as people want them there is no way Apple will go backwards to give it a slot loader, if anything yhey may add the slot loader to other models, it is just to muchof the form factor they are going for. Maybe in the next case rev., nut not in an "update".
<strong>2199 entry, 1ghz, DDR (psuedo or not, it saves power) TRAY LOADING DRIVES!!! higher res screen, 64MB Radeon9000. 12X Combo (which they'd already have if they had TRAY LOADING DRIVES!!!) Bigger standard HDD's. Denser battery for more realistic battery life projections.
ANYTHING short of this is a failure. PB is WAY overpriced. Style only goes so far.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Matsu, I'm just curious. I have no clue if you're in the market for a new PB, but for argument's sake lets say you are.
Now, if in a few weeks apple came out with a PB that matched your specs and price exactly, except for the fact that the drive was slot loading, would you buy it or not?
Now, I REALLY don't want to hijack this thread and make it another "tray loading vs. slot loading" thread, but I'm curious. I just didn't think a drive mechanism could elicit such vehement hatred.
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Now, I REALLY don't want to hijack this thread and make it another "tray loading vs. slot loading" thread, but I'm curious. I just didn't think a drive mechanism could elicit such vehement hatred.
Tray vs. Slot be damned...
Some of use want Apple to bring back a removable bay drive. It can be Slot or Tray, I won't care.
I have upgraded my G3 PB to 500MHz and have bought every option instead of buying a new bayless PB. I am hoping that Apple will come to their senses and bring back the PB bay. If not, my next Laptop will be a Pentium laptop with removable bays (Running Linux or Solaris not M$).
Funny thread. A guy gets criticized for making a conservative prediction because it's not fun enough.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
That captures the essence of Future Hardware forum: wishes generate the predictions rather than facts.
Anyway, the PowerBook seems to use a 7455 because of the L3.
<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/brdata/PDFDB/docs/MPC7455FACT.pdf"; target="_blank">Here's the pdf</a> that talks about the lower-power 7455, which appears to be in the PowerBook. It says it's limited to 800Mhz. But who knows. I was absolutely certain that the PowerBook would use the 7445 last time around.
I too can't imagine them doing a 67Mhz bump without significant changes in other respects, on the order of a new enclosure. Or at least lotsa new features like the introduction of bluetooth, firewire 2, and/or superdrive.
Thanks.
[quote]Originally posted by hotboxd:
<strong>what would a current 1.25Ghz chip reduced to 1.3V clock at?</strong><hr></blockquote>
About 900MHz.
Although perhaps if Moto is moving to 0.9 they should wait and supply a cooler machine with faster processor and longer battery life.
Flounder, to answer your question:
A 2199 entry model of appropriate spec would be on my desk provided Apple used a legit US-Canadian currency and not the bank of Jobs exchange rate. Even then, only if they get it out in time for me to get an edu discount.
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I know it never really caught on in this country but I love the 8cm CD-R's. They hold around 200MB of data, which is enough for most file transfers, and they are small enough to fit in a shirt pocket.
The not accepting odd shaped media is also slightly annoying. When someone gives you a business card CD at a convention, it would be nice to be able to read it without having to barrow someone else's pc laptop.
If the new PowerBook's don't have a tray it will need a large jump in computing power for me to upgrade.
I've always thought that they top PowerBook should have about 75-80% of the computing power of the top tower, and that's pretty much how the PowerBooks were running in the past. You pay more and they are not quite as powerful but you get mobility.
If applenut's predictions are right, and we only get a 867MHz PowerBook, it will only be around 30% as powerful as the top tower. That is a very bad ratio.
Of course, the only way for them to put the PowerBook in the proper power range would be to go with dual 1GHz G4s, and I don't think we are going to see dual processor portables any time soon.
They NEED a smaller fab process chip. Maybe a Sahara with VMX and a big Mhz bump? We're nearing the end of 2002. IBM originally planned a Sahara SIMD unit for right about now.
I wonder...
<strong>Pioneer (apples superdrive partner) has announced a slim, slotloading superdrive for this autumn... There was an article on this on maccentral a couple of days ago... Just thought you should know... oh, and by the way, I think Applenuts predictions are quite resonable, so there...
I know they announced a portable drive but there was no mention of its dimensions and no mention of being slotloading. I would imagine that it is too thick
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Tray vs. Slot be damned...
Some of use want Apple to bring back a removable bay drive. It can be Slot or Tray, I won't care.
I have upgraded my G3 PB to 500MHz and have bought every option instead of buying a new bayless PB. I am hoping that Apple will come to their senses and bring back the PB bay. If not, my next Laptop will be a Pentium laptop with removable bays (Running Linux or Solaris not M$).
Apple will probably never make another laptop with removable drive bays. They are an engineering nightmare, add bulk, and make the computer more flimsy. Very un-apple-like. They have firewire and usb on their laptops for a reason, plus the drives in the new ones do so many things, there's not many reasons to need an external drive anyway.
The only benefit I see from removable drive bays is dual batteries, but just improving existing batteries and making computers more efficient should eventually produce the same effect.