iPadOS 19 rumored to get more Mac-like in productivity push

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Apple's iPadOS 19 at WWDC is rumored to be a more macOS-like update, with boosts to multitasking and productivity potentially making the tablet even more of a workhorse.

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iOS and iPadOS 19 will be shown off at WWDC this summer



As a format, the iPad doesn't easily lend itself to productivity, outside of art and design. Even with the addition of a keyboard to the mix, it's not quite a full replacement for a MacBook Pro, but it could get closer with some tweaks at WWDC.

According to Mark Gurman in Sunday's Bloomberg newsletter, Apple's changes to iPadOS 19 will involve a shift to make the design of its operating system catalog more consistent.

However, an apparent big theme of WWDC will also be iPad software, the report claims.

While details are scant, sources cited by the report say that there will be a focus on productivity, multitasking, and app management. While this has always been relatively weak on iPad compared to a Mac, Apple apparently intends to make iPadOS more Mac-like in this regard.

While there have been the hope by some users for iPadOS and macOS to become one operating system, Apple is still resisting. Mac and iPad will still have their own operating systems, but it will be a bit closer usage-wise at least.

This occurs at a time when the iPad Pro models use the same Apple Silicon chips as the Mac models. There is also the anticipation of new iPad Pro updates using M5 chips, which could certainly benefit from some iPadOS productivity changes.

Previously, Apple was reported to make large-scale operating system changes for 2025, with revamps for iPadOS and iOS 19 apparently codenamed "Luck" with macOS 16 being "Cheer." There have also been insinuations that visionOS will influence the designs of the other operating systems, while ease of use will seemingly be a big feature of Apple's new introductions.



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  • Reply 1 of 23
    That would be very welcome news.
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  • Reply 2 of 23
    thttht Posts: 5,898member
    Hopefully, everything can be done with touch and doesn’t require a mouse. 
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  • Reply 3 of 23
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,415member
    Hope springs eternal for these changes but Apple has long been resistant. There was similar hope for iPad OS 18, especially after the debut of the all-new Pro iPad models, but that hope died at WWDC. We'll see this year. If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. No merging of 2 very different OSes required, no need to figure out how to bring touch to the Mac, no blah, blah, blah whatsoever. Boot into whichever OS makes the most sense for your needs at the moment. Macs have been able to boot into Windows for how long? 
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  • Reply 4 of 23
    swat671swat671 Posts: 169member
    charlesn said:
    Hope springs eternal for these changes but Apple has long been resistant. There was similar hope for iPad OS 18, especially after the debut of the all-new Pro iPad models, but that hope died at WWDC. We'll see this year. If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. No merging of 2 very different OSes required, no need to figure out how to bring touch to the Mac, no blah, blah, blah whatsoever. Boot into whichever OS makes the most sense for your needs at the moment. Macs have been able to boot into Windows for how long? 
    Macs could use BootCamp only on the Intel chips, so 2006-2020. 
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  • Reply 5 of 23
    charlesn said:
    [snip] If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. [snip] 
    This is not, as Apple would say, elegant.
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  • Reply 6 of 23
    brianusbrianus Posts: 189member
    braytonak said:
    charlesn said:
    [snip] If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. [snip] 
    This is not, as Apple would say, elegant.
    Heartily agree. And nobody who actually *likes* iPads wants this. As I’ve said countless times on this forum, Apple needs to continue iterating on the tablet paradigm, not give in and just slap the now 40-year old desktop one in its place. If anything, the innovations need to go in the other direction - Mac multitasking should be getting more iPad-like. Ditch the inefficiency, screen space wasting and manual management involved in having countless overlapping windows, and instead have tiled, multi-split app panels (rather than just the two horizontal splits we get now). If you need floating windows, have them operate more like slideover, “snapping” into place and having a revolving carousel of windows to choose from; and for small utility apps like the calculator or the color sampler, have them operate like the “quick note” and picture-in-picture features of iPadOS, with windows bound to hot corners so they don’t all pile up. Anyone who has actually given this form of multitasking a shot understands how much more elegant it is than the old free-for-all desktop paradigm. It just needs to be iterated on rather than abandoned (as it seems to have been ever since they introduced Stage Manager). 

     I still pull out my MacBook when I absolutely have to; but not because I want a ton of windows piling up on my screen. It’s because of a few things:

     - Lack of third party software, or iPadOS versions of desktop software that are not fully featured (looking at you, Adobe), for reasons that are largely not Apple’s fault, but could be improved with a concerted push by Apple and some tools to make porting desktop apps to iPadOS easier

     - Inability to do certain things that require having multiple documents / tabs open simultaneously. Most desktop apps support this, but on iPadOS, only Safari does (you can have multiple windows in many Apple iPadOS apps, but not tabs). There’s no technical reason it needs to be like this, so I hope Apple makes it easier for developers to incorporate multi-document design into their apps and I hope they lead the way with their own apps

     - Background tasks that are broken / killed when an app is not on screen. This may be alleviated by getting a modern iPad with more RAM (my 2019 Air has just 3GB), but I don’t know. But that is one thing Mac OS definitely has over iPadOS currently. I don’t have to worry my Box upload is going to fail because I’m not looking at it on a Mac, but that happens on iPads, and it’s dumb.
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  • Reply 7 of 23
    "involve a shift to make the design of its operating system catalog more consistent."

    duh! anyone with a half a brain would easily anticipate this over the last few years. I've been saying this for years. You have to believe Apple is most definitely working hard to bring this to reality. 
    williamlondonJanNL
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  • Reply 8 of 23
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,981member
    braytonak said:
    charlesn said:
    [snip] If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. [snip] 
    This is not, as Apple would say, elegant.
    The #1 reason I have for going from my iPad Pro to a desktop Mac is the vast increase in screen space. When my MacBooks are not in travel mode they are always attached to a big screen, second keyboard, and mouse.

    Let's talk small screen. Even if the iPad Pro ran macOS straight up, I don't know why I would choose it over a MacBook Pro/Air, especially the MacBook Air. The Apple Silicon MacBook Airs are absolutely amazing devices. Ergonomics are spot on. As quiet as an iPad. The case is built-in, the excellent keyboard is built-in, the excellent trackpad is built-in, and it works wonderfully in my lap. It's lightweight enough to justify the weight it adds to my bag or sleeve. What am I giving up on the MacBook Air versus an iPad Pro? I don't know, at least for the apps I use. The backside camera, touch screen, easier navigation I suppose, and the small weight savings of the iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard come to mind. For gamers or drawing artists it may be a no-brainer to prefer the iPad Pro. 

    I can imagine there are potentially some use cases where a person only has access to an iPad Pro but absolutely has to access an app or a built-in macOS feature that is simply not available on the iPad Pro or remotely accessible via the iPad Pro. There may not be a Mac to remote into. Assuming that was the case and every resource required was either on the iPad Pro and/or in iCloud, then I can imagine being able to fire up macOS on an iPad Pro with keyboard and trackpad/mouse would serve that particular use case. One device that serves two different operating system paradigms. So yes, it's not impossible to come up with some scenarios and use cases where the two distinct worlds can be instantiated separately on the the same hunk of hardware.

    The question is whether serving those niche use cases is worth the investment in hardware, software, and development budget to bring a new unified device to market. Personally, I love the added portability and couch-worthiness of the iPad Pro but still prefer a MacBook Air for anything more production focused. The ergonomics of the MacBook Air fit me perfectly when I'm at a desk or working from my lap. For nearly all of the apps I use that are available on both platforms, I overwhelmingly find the Mac versions to be more to my liking. I'm not a gamer. No matter how hard I try to compensate, a lot of the dual platform available apps I use, the iPad ones are usually simplified enough to bother me.

    If I could only have an iPad Pro or a MacBook Air I would pick the MacBook Air every time. For me, it's just that damn good of a machine. 
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  • Reply 9 of 23
    thttht Posts: 5,898member
    Don't expect productivity, multitasking miracles here.

    • As others have alluded, you don't really display multiple apps at the same time on an 11" display. It's a little bit better on a 13" display, but not great. Bigger is better for display multiple apps at the same time. Definitely will hopefully be better on a large external display, but at 11", you won't be displaying a lot of apps simultaneously.
    • Having background apps continue running is just about 80% of the ask for iPadOS, imo. Like, you are downloading something large over the Internet or copying something large over USB, those types of tasks should be allowed to run until completion at least, whether it takes 1 minute or 100 minutes.
    • Backgrounded apps should not be killed. Theoretically, Apple and the developer will save the state of the app, and if it is removed from memory, it will be brought back to exactly the same state when foregrounded. Too many developers ignore this, and Apple hasn't been able to force them to update properly. It's been like 6 years. Developers aren't going to change now. So, either Apple forces the proper saving of an app's state, or solves it in a way that doesn't require developer updates.
    • Stage Manager is not a good multitasking UI. Just add a multitasking app icon in the dock. Upon a tap, a pop-up list of apps can be displays, ordered in terms of last touched and or in-memory. App windows would be a submenu in the pop-up list. I suppose you can set a tap on the multitasking app icon to bring up the task manager and other things too. Stage Manager might be better if it allowed unlimited number of open windows, but the current four windows doesn't improve upon Split View, Slide Over much.
    • Get rid of gestures as a UI design. Design the UI for direct manipulation. I'd get rid of long press as a UI input even. Add a meta button in a hot corner. You will need to press on that with one finger and tap on the target get the target's pop-up menu. Two finger tap can do the same thing, or a double tap to get a list of the target's menu items to pop up. When dragging and dropping, there needs to be at minimum a UI target or a delay to execute the action. Like a long press on a URL opens up a preview and a slide up of the preview creates a Slide Over app or a Split View app. That slide has to go to a specific target, like the top of the display, and maybe have a delay timer. iPadOS generally is direct manipulation, but there are some frustrating exceptions.
    • Terminal.app and Xcode.app needs to be on iPadOS.

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  • Reply 10 of 23
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,605member
    Finally….

    I hope this is more than interface deep. And they free up the security model or find a nice sandbox way to make it seem freed up and allow non-signed code in say a signed runtime. So pro apps games and the like which have a platform independent scripting language can move to supporting the pad as a productivity machine. 

    That would be the Mac killer the iPad Pro should be able to be for most users. 

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  • Reply 11 of 23
    brianusbrianus Posts: 189member
    tht said:
    Don't expect productivity, multitasking miracles here.

    • As others have alluded, you don't really display multiple apps at the same time on an 11" display. It's a little bit better on a 13" display, but not great. Bigger is better for display multiple apps at the same time. Definitely will hopefully be better on a large external display, but at 11", you won't be displaying a lot of apps simultaneously.
    • Having background apps continue running is just about 80% of the ask for iPadOS, imo. Like, you are downloading something large over the Internet or copying something large over USB, those types of tasks should be allowed to run until completion at least, whether it takes 1 minute or 100 minutes.
    • Backgrounded apps should not be killed. Theoretically, Apple and the developer will save the state of the app, and if it is removed from memory, it will be brought back to exactly the same state when foregrounded. Too many developers ignore this, and Apple hasn't been able to force them to update properly. It's been like 6 years. Developers aren't going to change now. So, either Apple forces the proper saving of an app's state, or solves it in a way that doesn't require developer updates.
    • Stage Manager is not a good multitasking UI. Just add a multitasking app icon in the dock. Upon a tap, a pop-up list of apps can be displays, ordered in terms of last touched and or in-memory. App windows would be a submenu in the pop-up list. I suppose you can set a tap on the multitasking app icon to bring up the task manager and other things too. Stage Manager might be better if it allowed unlimited number of open windows, but the current four windows doesn't improve upon Split View, Slide Over much.
    • Get rid of gestures as a UI design. Design the UI for direct manipulation. I'd get rid of long press as a UI input even. Add a meta button in a hot corner. You will need to press on that with one finger and tap on the target get the target's pop-up menu. Two finger tap can do the same thing, or a double tap to get a list of the target's menu items to pop up. When dragging and dropping, there needs to be at minimum a UI target or a delay to execute the action. Like a long press on a URL opens up a preview and a slide up of the preview creates a Slide Over app or a Split View app. That slide has to go to a specific target, like the top of the display, and maybe have a delay timer. iPadOS generally is direct manipulation, but there are some frustrating exceptions.
    • Terminal.app and Xcode.app needs to be on iPadOS.


    Although I *do* routinely use 4 apps simultaneously via Split View, slide over and either quick note or a PiP or background audio app on my 10.5" Air, I take your point that anything more than that is not practical without a larger screen. Of course, now that we have external display support (and god, I hope hope hope, AirPlay Display support in iPadOS 19 so we aren't forced to use a cable. Macs have had this for years), it follows that support for more simultaneous apps on those displays at least would be useful. 

    You lost me with the "get rid of gestures" thing though. What's wrong with the current gestures? I find them quite elegant and intuitive, and for those who prefer buttons, we have the "..." menus at the top of each window. Win win if you ask me. They could improve the "system tray" function which currently only displays up to 3 recent apps in the Dock though (needs to be more since you can have at least that many apps on screen at a time. Double it and it might actually be useful).

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  • Reply 12 of 23
    thttht Posts: 5,898member
    brianus said:
    tht said:
    Don't expect productivity, multitasking miracles here.

    • As others have alluded, you don't really display multiple apps at the same time on an 11" display. It's a little bit better on a 13" display, but not great. Bigger is better for display multiple apps at the same time. Definitely will hopefully be better on a large external display, but at 11", you won't be displaying a lot of apps simultaneously.
    • Having background apps continue running is just about 80% of the ask for iPadOS, imo. Like, you are downloading something large over the Internet or copying something large over USB, those types of tasks should be allowed to run until completion at least, whether it takes 1 minute or 100 minutes.
    • Backgrounded apps should not be killed. Theoretically, Apple and the developer will save the state of the app, and if it is removed from memory, it will be brought back to exactly the same state when foregrounded. Too many developers ignore this, and Apple hasn't been able to force them to update properly. It's been like 6 years. Developers aren't going to change now. So, either Apple forces the proper saving of an app's state, or solves it in a way that doesn't require developer updates.
    • Stage Manager is not a good multitasking UI. Just add a multitasking app icon in the dock. Upon a tap, a pop-up list of apps can be displays, ordered in terms of last touched and or in-memory. App windows would be a submenu in the pop-up list. I suppose you can set a tap on the multitasking app icon to bring up the task manager and other things too. Stage Manager might be better if it allowed unlimited number of open windows, but the current four windows doesn't improve upon Split View, Slide Over much.
    • Get rid of gestures as a UI design. Design the UI for direct manipulation. I'd get rid of long press as a UI input even. Add a meta button in a hot corner. You will need to press on that with one finger and tap on the target get the target's pop-up menu. Two finger tap can do the same thing, or a double tap to get a list of the target's menu items to pop up. When dragging and dropping, there needs to be at minimum a UI target or a delay to execute the action. Like a long press on a URL opens up a preview and a slide up of the preview creates a Slide Over app or a Split View app. That slide has to go to a specific target, like the top of the display, and maybe have a delay timer. iPadOS generally is direct manipulation, but there are some frustrating exceptions.
    • Terminal.app and Xcode.app needs to be on iPadOS.


    Although I *do* routinely use 4 apps simultaneously via Split View, slide over and either quick note or a PiP or background audio app on my 10.5" Air, I take your point that anything more than that is not practical without a larger screen. Of course, now that we have external display support (and god, I hope hope hope, AirPlay Display support in iPadOS 19 so we aren't forced to use a cable. Macs have had this for years), it follows that support for more simultaneous apps on those displays at least would be useful. 

    You lost me with the "get rid of gestures" thing though. What's wrong with the current gestures? I find them quite elegant and intuitive, and for those who prefer buttons, we have the "..." menus at the top of each window. Win win if you ask me. They could improve the "system tray" function which currently only displays up to 3 recent apps in the Dock though (needs to be more since you can have at least that many apps on screen at a time. Double it and it might actually be useful).

    Yes, I too use Split View, Slide Over, and PiP a fair bit on my iPP10.5. I use the software keyboard exclusively on my iPP10.5, and that has driven my opinion about iPadOS UI.

    My comments were just a warning that there isn't any magic here to bring about productivity increases on an iPad. If you put macOS on a 11" display, it isn't going to be a multitasking dream either. You are limited in the font size you are comfortable with reading. You can on put so many UI elements on an 11" display on an app like Keynote or Excel. UI designs that allows all the functionality of complicated apps would be great. They have resisted using something that contains all the menubar functions for so long. Just having a hierarchal popup menu for Menu Bar items would be a help. They really need to stop using the pop-up horizontal menu bar too, though I suppose hit targets on a vertical version would make too fat. Still, you have to scroll horizontal one, which is bad imo.

    Just having unlimited background tasking will get iPadOS 80% of what people want, no UI changes needed. For a lot of people, that's all they need. They couldn't get developers to properly save state upon being killed, which was predictable, resulting in a lot of apps being killed and having to return to where you were. With most iPads having 8 GB RAM and 128 GB storage, perhaps this probably has now solved itself, and unlimited background is much more reasonable for iPads now.

    On gestures, I think the biggest UI faux pas has been the long press and drag on a URL to get a Slide Over or Split View window. Many people do this accidentally and it is a net negative. People scroll a lot on iPadOS and iOS. A lot. And virtually every scrolling view is littered with URLs or other links of some kind. A lot of people have a tendency to rest their finger on the screen while scrolling. So, they end up resting their finger on a URL, the preview pops up in like a second, and they slide their finger up to scroll down at the same time. A Split View or Slide Over window appears.

    This is too much of a gesture and way too easy to do unintentionally. You are not going to get people to not rest their fingers on the display. Best option is to slow it down: add a drop target that is small (like the top 1" of the display), and add a small time delay at the end of the drag for the drop to turn the URL to become a window. Btw, you can cancel almost any drag by returning back to the original spot or near the original spot of the lift. Accidentally long press, lift and slide an object like a URL or a file, as long as you haven't lifted you finger from the display, you can cancel the action by dragging back to the place of the lift.

    Some of the multi-point inputs are not that useful in they require too much dexterity or they are not discoverable; and, there is a lot of overloading of actions. You can copy selected text by doing a 3-finger (3 point) close and paste it with a 3-point open. That is not easy to do. The whole two finger slide, three finger slide can get confusing! Two finger slide in a text box can move the cursor. Two finger slide in a non text box is 2D move (no scroll lock). With unlimited background tasking, 4 finger slide will be used much more!

    There's just a lot of things that need to be cleaned up with multi-point inputs and gestures. I think they need to add a meta key to a bottom corner to create the equivalent of right-click or alt-click.
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  • Reply 13 of 23
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 824member
    The os needs work but the biggest problem using an IPad to replace a laptop is that there is not enough RAM and it can’t even keep certain websites like tradingview charts open without forcing a refresh when you switch tabs. The trackpad also doesn’t work properly on the site (not sure who is at fault here). Easier to just get a MBAir instead as the form factor is about the same as iPad with keyboard. That all said, any upgrades on the os side would be a step forward. 
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  • Reply 14 of 23
    CheeseFreezecheesefreeze Posts: 1,398member
    They would need to overcome the challenge of a touch-first requirement. In my opinion, there are way too many gestures and concepts on iPadOS with the most recent failed addition being Stage Manager. I bet most of us aren’t using it because it’s too complex and pulls people out of their flow-state.   
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  • Reply 15 of 23
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,415member
    swat671 said:
    charlesn said:
    Hope springs eternal for these changes but Apple has long been resistant. There was similar hope for iPad OS 18, especially after the debut of the all-new Pro iPad models, but that hope died at WWDC. We'll see this year. If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. No merging of 2 very different OSes required, no need to figure out how to bring touch to the Mac, no blah, blah, blah whatsoever. Boot into whichever OS makes the most sense for your needs at the moment. Macs have been able to boot into Windows for how long? 
    Macs could use BootCamp only on the Intel chips, so 2006-2020. 
    M-chip Macs can still run Windows using Parallel Desktop--not the same as Boot Camp, but the salient point is that M-chips can boot into either MacOS or iPadOS. 

    braytonak said:
    charlesn said:
    [snip] If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. [snip] 
    This is not, as Apple would say, elegant.
    Oh, please. Multitasking in iPadOS is the definition of inelegant kluge. And what's not elegant about a tablet that can easily boot into whichever OS suits your needs best at the time? What Apple would say in protest is this: we want to keep selling you two devices, not one. 
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  • Reply 16 of 23
    Xedxed Posts: 3,109member
    charlesn said:
    swat671 said:
    charlesn said:
    Hope springs eternal for these changes but Apple has long been resistant. There was similar hope for iPad OS 18, especially after the debut of the all-new Pro iPad models, but that hope died at WWDC. We'll see this year. If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. No merging of 2 very different OSes required, no need to figure out how to bring touch to the Mac, no blah, blah, blah whatsoever. Boot into whichever OS makes the most sense for your needs at the moment. Macs have been able to boot into Windows for how long? 
    Macs could use BootCamp only on the Intel chips, so 2006-2020. 
    M-chip Macs can still run Windows using Parallel Desktop--not the same as Boot Camp, but the salient point is that M-chips can boot into either MacOS or iPadOS. 

    braytonak said:
    charlesn said:
    [snip] If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. [snip] 
    This is not, as Apple would say, elegant.
    Oh, please. Multitasking in iPadOS is the definition of inelegant kluge. And what's not elegant about a tablet that can easily boot into whichever OS suits your needs best at the time? What Apple would say in protest is this: we want to keep selling you two devices, not one. 
    I'm with braytonak 100%. I can't see Apple ever doing that because it's not an elegant solution. Everything about that feels very wrong to me. That said, since I'm not an iPad user I really don't care so I hope you get your wish.
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  • Reply 17 of 23
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,605member
    charlesn said:
    swat671 said:
    charlesn said:
    Hope springs eternal for these changes but Apple has long been resistant. There was similar hope for iPad OS 18, especially after the debut of the all-new Pro iPad models, but that hope died at WWDC. We'll see this year. If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. No merging of 2 very different OSes required, no need to figure out how to bring touch to the Mac, no blah, blah, blah whatsoever. Boot into whichever OS makes the most sense for your needs at the moment. Macs have been able to boot into Windows for how long? 
    Macs could use BootCamp only on the Intel chips, so 2006-2020. 
    M-chip Macs can still run Windows using Parallel Desktop--not the same as Boot Camp, but the salient point is that M-chips can boot into either MacOS or iPadOS. 

    braytonak said:
    charlesn said:
    [snip] If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. [snip] 
    This is not, as Apple would say, elegant.
    Oh, please. Multitasking in iPadOS is the definition of inelegant kluge. And what's not elegant about a tablet that can easily boot into whichever OS suits your needs best at the time? What Apple would say in protest is this: we want to keep selling you two devices, not one. 

    The dual boot option put a multi second if not minute break in at every context switch.

    What makes it inelegant is that the distinction between the 2 OS is largely interface inertia. Further, that both could be true to primary device style but offer the same compute function underneath that skin.  Which would allow either device to offer the same applications and you could move interactions styles without breaking your flow at all. Even going as far as having an array of devices and move between them to suit.

    noting Apple have been working towards this seemlessness of devices for a number of years with many baby steps. It is the last unrealised part of Steve Jobs “if I was to return to Apple on a full CEO basis here is what I’d do” speech at wwdc97. I thought they would have gotten there faster but will welcome any advances we do get. 
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    CheeseFreezecheesefreeze Posts: 1,398member
    charlesn said:
    If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. 
    That would be a terrible mistake IMHO.
    First of all, it creates a terrible user experience, having to constantly boot between OS’es based on your use case.
    Secondly it would create the narrative “we don’t know what the iPad is about so we give you all the option”. No, instead the iPad has its own positioning and the operating system is designed around that. 
    In such case the better option would be to phase out iPadOS entirely and make macOS more tablet friendly, and make that the standard. Which will never happen too.

    The problem with the iPad Pro is that it competes too much with Apple’s laptops in what it enables, except art (drawing on the tablet) and perhaps a few other things. This means that now the perception is that the iPad Pro is a more limited, more cumbersome expression of a laptop, where it’s harder to “get shit done”. To me the iPad Pro was by far the most disappointing Apple purchase ever. 

    The better product to me is the regular iPad; it comes at a lower price point compared to a desktop based product and clearly positions itself as a light computing / media consumption device. It’s amazing for that. 



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    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,691member
    swat671 said:
    charlesn said:
    Hope springs eternal for these changes but Apple has long been resistant. There was similar hope for iPad OS 18, especially after the debut of the all-new Pro iPad models, but that hope died at WWDC. We'll see this year. If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. No merging of 2 very different OSes required, no need to figure out how to bring touch to the Mac, no blah, blah, blah whatsoever. Boot into whichever OS makes the most sense for your needs at the moment. Macs have been able to boot into Windows for how long? 
    Macs could use BootCamp only on the Intel chips, so 2006-2020. 
    But before that, Apple had sold boards for their Macs with an entire Intel computer onboard for that purpose. Then other companies did. I remember Orange and a few others.
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    Xedxed Posts: 3,109member
    melgross said:
    swat671 said:
    charlesn said:
    Hope springs eternal for these changes but Apple has long been resistant. There was similar hope for iPad OS 18, especially after the debut of the all-new Pro iPad models, but that hope died at WWDC. We'll see this year. If Apple wanted to give the iPad Pros a real sales boost, make them capable of booting into either iPad OS or Mac OS at the user's discretion, which Apple Silicon can do. In iPad OS, it works as usual. In Mac OS, you lose touchscreen capability and it operates just like a Mac, requiring the use of Magic Keyboard with the built-in trackpad. Apple could do this today. No merging of 2 very different OSes required, no need to figure out how to bring touch to the Mac, no blah, blah, blah whatsoever. Boot into whichever OS makes the most sense for your needs at the moment. Macs have been able to boot into Windows for how long? 
    Macs could use BootCamp only on the Intel chips, so 2006-2020. 
    But before that, Apple had sold boards for their Macs with an entire Intel computer onboard for that purpose. Then other companies did. I remember Orange and a few others.
    I don't recall that at all. I only recall the emulation option that was really, really slow. Do you have a link that details the setup?
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