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The decade-long effort to shift U.S. iPhone manufacture out of China to India is going to become more expensive for Apple, just in time for iPhone 17 season.

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Tariffs already affect iPhone imports into the U.S., and they're set to get even higher.



The Trump-instigated delay in applying high tariffs on imports into the United States is coming to an end on August 1. As countries work to make a trade deal with the White House, it seems that one country's lack of a deal could end up costing Apple customers dearly.

India has yet to complete an agreement with the United States on tariffs. If it fails to do so, it will have to shoulder tariffs valued between 20% and 25% on imports.

An audio clip of Trump talking to reporters shared by Aaron Rupar has the President confirming that no deal with India has been finalized, and the rate will be 25%. He also accuses India of charging more tariffs than "almost any other country."

This will be a considerable increase on the current 10% import tariff applied against the country as of the latest exceptions pending a trade deal.

That 10% tariff is also high compared to the 3% tariff Apple paid on iPhone imports from India to the U.S. before President Donald Trump began making tariff changes.

A high-priced iPhone change



The lack of a deal at deadline time will be something that hits Apple quite hard. Especially considering it deals with sales of iPhones it its home country.

The tariff increase will be something that is too high for Apple to easily absorb into the overall cost of an iPhone. Instead, when the iPhone 17 generation arrives in September, that could mean an equally high rise in prices.

This is still a considerable saving versus the tariff applied on Chinese goods, which would be hit by a 55% tariff. If Apple hadn't shifted where it was supplying U.S. iPhones from to tackle tariff costs, the price rises would be considerably higher again.

A future fix



While the lack of a trade deal with India is a problem for Apple, it's one that may only be temporary. An Indian government official told Reuters that talks are progressing, and could end up with a trade deal, albeit after the deadline.

A trade delegation from the United States is planned to visit New Delhi in the middle of August. The intention is to resume the trade negotiations then, and finalize a bilateral agreement by September or October.

Given that Apple has to import iPhones into the U.S. to sell them ahead of the iPhone 17's launch, it may arrive too late for consumers to benefit from.



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  • Reply 1 of 33
    pjp1pjp1 Posts: 3member
    This is fear porn, there is still time for a deal
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  • Reply 2 of 33
    jfabula1jfabula1 Posts: 241member
    And diehard apple consumers don’t care, we still buy them. So no new news here
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  • Reply 3 of 33
    Afarstarafarstar Posts: 96member
    Apple will already be importing the first batches of the 17 range. What a mess from the most idiotic President ever. I thought he was on US companies side. 
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  • Reply 4 of 33
    JinTechjintech Posts: 1,117member
    jfabula1 said:
    And diehard apple consumers don’t care, we still buy them. So no new news here
    What an asinine statement. I consider myself a diehard Apple consumer, been having use Apple products since before the Macintosh. If the prices skyrocket, I am certainly priced out of an upgrade, and I am not the only one.
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  • Reply 5 of 33
    JamesCudejamescude Posts: 115member
    Quick show of hands: how many red hats are itching to assemble phones for below minimum wage in sweat shop conditions? I’ll wait…
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  • Reply 6 of 33
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,222administrator
    Afarstar said:
    Apple will already be importing the first batches of the 17 range. What a mess from the most idiotic President ever. I thought he was on US companies side. 
    Not until very late August.
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  • Reply 7 of 33
    JamesCude said:
    Quick show of hands: how many red hats are itching to assemble phones for below minimum wage in sweat shop conditions? I’ll wait…
    In China they make about $1.60 USD per hour for the first 40 hours and then time and a half for overtime from 40 to 60. Plus it is seasonal so they have to move back and forth between the plant and home.
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  • Reply 8 of 33
    Even if they make a trade deal there is still going to be tariffs. They will just be 15% vs 25%.
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  • Reply 9 of 33
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,796member
    JamesCude said:
    Quick show of hands: how many red hats are itching to assemble phones for below minimum wage in sweat shop conditions? I’ll wait…
    There are pretty much two types of supporters:
    • Those who will never have to work a day in their lives, aside from for whatever compan(ies) they inherited. So this argument means nothing to them.
    • Those who operate from a place of emotion (typically fear), not rationality. So rational arguments like this are completely lost on them.

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  • Reply 10 of 33
    mknelsonmknelson Posts: 1,179member
    JamesCude said:
    Quick show of hands: how many red hats are itching to assemble phones for below minimum wage in sweat shop conditions? I’ll wait…
    In China they make about $1.60 USD per hour for the first 40 hours and then time and a half for overtime from 40 to 60. Plus it is seasonal so they have to move back and forth between the plant and home.
    The cost of living in China is a lot less so it's difficult to compare to US wages.
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  • Reply 11 of 33
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,552member
    More economic chaos from President TACO. Presumably he wants to distract from ... other things.

    The question is how up-front Apple should be about featuring the effect of the tariffs on prices, particularly when the iPhone 17 is released. They would risk angering Trump, but I think they should make clear what the tariff markup is. They could be passive-aggressively subtle about it when they do the dog-and-pony-show announcement: "The iPhone 17 will have all these new features [after having described all the new features] and there will be no price increase from the iPhone 16, except in the United States, where it will increase by 40% [averaging the tariff rate for Chinese and Indian imports]."

    Apple wouldn't have to utter the words tariff, or Trump, or TACO. The news media would explain it for them. Nobody at Apple would actually want news coverage and publicity around new product releases to be all about tariffs, but is there any way they could avoid it? Even if Apple decided to eat the tariffs and keep their US prices flat, that's going to be the story. First at the announcement, the story would be "Apple absorbs tariff costs," and again at the next quarterly earnings call, when Apple has to report a significant drop in profit, despite robust sales. The question would then be, how long can Apple afford to continue to do that?

    Or, they could pass on the tariff to consumers and then that's the story, repeated again at the quarterly earnings report, when lower sales due to higher prices will be the reason for lower profit. I think this is the least worst option, because it's more transparent and puts the ball back in Trump's court. The reason prices are higher and profits are down is all due to the whims of one man. Unless he wants to continue hurting American consumers and American companies, he'll do the TACO thing and drop the tariffs. If he wants to distract from ... other things, o.k., but he is going to have to own that, too.
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    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,682member
    8x? Last I checked 25% from 10% is 2.5X. And we don't know the minutiae. So if that sticks, I doubt it's going to be some crazy trouble for apple. The president is pretty good at this stuff. I'll wait for more concrete news to break regarding the details on this before reacting. but from what I have seen so far, including with the UK. Trump is doing great things with these trade deals. We wanted fair balance. And so far, we are getting it and then some. Looking forward to see how India responds. 
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  • Reply 13 of 33
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,954member
    Patience! There is still time for a trade deal with India. Smartphones assembled in India accounted for 44% of U.S. imports of the devices in the second quarter, a significant jump from just 13% last year.

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  • Reply 14 of 33
    Wesley_Hilliardwesley_hilliard Posts: 634member, administrator, moderator, editor
    Unless you're here to talk about how tariffs might affect Apple's move to importing iPhones from India, go elsewhere. There's no need to discuss the wider politics beyond tariffs, Apple, iPhone, cost to consumers, etc. Sharing conspiracy theories and made up nonsense will only start arguments, which is also against the forum rules.
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  • Reply 15 of 33
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,552member
    8x? Last I checked 25% from 10% is 2.5X. And we don't know the minutiae. So if that sticks, I doubt it's going to be some crazy trouble for apple. The president is pretty good at this stuff. I'll wait for more concrete news to break regarding the details on this before reacting. but from what I have seen so far, including with the UK. Trump is doing great things with these trade deals. We wanted fair balance. And so far, we are getting it and then some. Looking forward to see how India responds. 
    There is no evidence to support either of those statements. 
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  • Reply 16 of 33
    8x? Last I checked 25% from 10% is 2.5X. And we don't know the minutiae. So if that sticks, I doubt it's going to be some crazy trouble for apple. The president is pretty good at this stuff. I'll wait for more concrete news to break regarding the details on this before reacting. but from what I have seen so far, including with the UK. Trump is doing great things with these trade deals. We wanted fair balance. And so far, we are getting it and then some. Looking forward to see how India responds. 
    1. Do American consumers ultimately pay the tariffs?
    2. Do you own Apple shares?

    If you answer no to either question, your opinions are worth about as much as a full presidential diaper. 
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  • Reply 17 of 33
    Wesley_Hilliardwesley_hilliard Posts: 634member, administrator, moderator, editor
    8x? Last I checked 25% from 10% is 2.5X. And we don't know the minutiae. So if that sticks, I doubt it's going to be some crazy trouble for apple. The president is pretty good at this stuff. I'll wait for more concrete news to break regarding the details on this before reacting. but from what I have seen so far, including with the UK. Trump is doing great things with these trade deals. We wanted fair balance. And so far, we are getting it and then some. Looking forward to see how India responds. 
    It'll be interesting to see what these trade deals are, if they exist, once they can be read on paper. Especially since we're still waiting on all the other countries to announce the deals in return. So far, most of the "deals" have been announced by the US with no word from the countries we allegedly made deals with. Vietnam, for example, still hasn't said anything. There's no documentation on any of this either except maybe the EU and China IIRC.

    And no, announcing you sent a letter to a country saying what tariffs the US will pay them on imports isn't the same as making a deal.

    Things are still upside down, the economy is still dropping each quarter, and US citizens have less spending power than they've had in years. I just hope Apple doesn't raise iPhone 17 prices globally to make up for this unfounded US policy shift.
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  • Reply 18 of 33
    anthogaganthogag Posts: 142member
    The problem is companies are not passing the cost to consumers right-away. This just encourages more stupid tariffs.

     
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  • Reply 19 of 33
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,901member
    Afarstar said:
    Apple will already be importing the first batches of the 17 range. What a mess from the most idiotic President ever. I thought he was on US companies side. 
    The only side he (Taco) is on is his own, the minions/supporters still can’t figure that out yet, a concrete Tariff deal with India that is actually worth anything is doubtful why? There is no trust at any level…
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  • Reply 20 of 33
     You worry too much about something that has a good chance of never occurring.  And if Trump is one thing he is a negotiator, and I believe it highly unlikely Apple will be hit with a 25% tariff. 
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