It's not ballsy at all. If Apple stuck with Motorola they would be stupid. Motorola seems to be improving their business practices, with one cost being the virtual disintegration of the SPS division.
Apple, Cisco et al just need to find someone else. They problem being the CPU market is highly concentrated, so it takes several years before changes in suppliers can be made (with the exeption of Intel to AMD and vice versa).
We're going to find out soon enough aren't we? I really hope there is a mole though
It wouldn't be out of the question that this info could be from a 'mole'. After all IBM doesn't have the same 'keep this a secret or die a slow death at the hands of Steve' oath that Apple does. In fact IBM is USUALLY very open with the projects that it's developing. Note IBMs work on CELL and heck even it's ultra-advanced work in nano-tech... IBM has been very much an open book with these kinds of things so finding people who don't think it's a 'BIG HAIRY DEAL' to talk about em might not be that hard to do.
From what I've heard, IBM has made finding out info about the 970 internally harder than many of their other projects (pure speculation is that this was done at the request of Apple)...
How the h*ll can MacBidouille know that every call between Moto and Steve end in a quarrel? That's just made up, it can't be based on actual reports. It's so full of bullshit.
As for the rest.. it's probably just educated guesses.
How the h*ll can MacBidouille know that every call between Moto and Steve end in a quarrel? That's just made up, it can't be based on actual reports. It's so full of bullshit.
As for the rest.. it's probably just educated guesses.
I think MacBidouille is full of sh*t myself. MacBidouille 2003 = MacOSRumors 1999/2000.
I wonder if Cisco and Apple could twist Motorola's arm into making decent CPUs again?
Or are they so far behind the curve that it's just useless at this point?
Now I agree that Motorola needs a spanking for the G4 fiasco, but the more PowerPC makers, the better in my opinion. Is it lack of engineering talent, lack of decent fabrication plants, or lack of management that's truly holding Moto back?
And will IBM remain committed to the PowerPC architecture 5 years down the road?
I wonder if Cisco and Apple could twist Motorola's arm into making decent CPUs again?
Or are they so far behind the curve that it's just useless at this point?
Now I agree that Motorola needs a spanking for the G4 fiasco, but the more PowerPC makers, the better in my opinion. Is it lack of engineering talent, lack of decent fabrication plants, or lack of management that's truly holding Moto back?
And will IBM remain committed to the PowerPC architecture 5 years down the road?
Don't you think, that by IBM licensing the ppc architecture, this problem could be later on by taken care of?
And will IBM remain committed to the PowerPC architecture 5 years down the road?
There is no question. The POWER/PowerPC architecture is the basis of all but IBM's low-end systems (and some of those). Its low-end systems are based on the Intel x86. But, what of Itanium and isn't the x86 getting more powerful everyday? Well x86 is on life support. Intel has been trying to replace it for the better part of a decade now. As for Itanium, it is a dog. This dog not only has fleas, but it also has mange. People don't call it "Itanic" for nothing.
Bottomline: The POWER/PPC architecture is good. It is homegrown. It has no credible replacement.
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Originally posted by ghstmars
According to Macbidouille, the 970 could be at .90 for portables, in order for Apple to completly end ties with Moto.http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcon...003-05-04#5424
and tomorrow they might show the roadmap for the year of the
the new powermacs?
two things : a very good mole or plain bullshit!! we' ll have to wait and find out. either way very ballsy very ballsy
Apple is not the only one concerned about Motorola's production of PPC.
Cisco, who develops and sells gateways based on G4 and 85xx processors, is
also angry about the situation. Motorola is not able to produce the 8560
(second generation of G5). Some even think that the production of these
chips will be abandoned.
The relationship between Apple and Motorola is so bad that every call Steve
Jobs makes to Motorola ends up in a violent quarel. Therefore Steve prefers
to cease the deal with Motorola during 2004's first trimester and work with
IBM.
IBM engineers are going to work hard in order to have the PPC 970 at 90nm
ready for the end of this year in East Fishkill's laboratories. These
processors will eventually replace PowerBooks' G4s.
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Apple, Cisco et al just need to find someone else. They problem being the CPU market is highly concentrated, so it takes several years before changes in suppliers can be made (with the exeption of Intel to AMD and vice versa).
Barto
No smoke without fire. A bad marriage is just that. And people outside that marriage get to know eventually.
The future for 2003 on seems to lie with IBM for now.
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by ast3r3x
that crazy apple french site has been reporting more often on the 970, do you think they have a good mole or it is just pure BS?
We're going to find out soon enough aren't we? I really hope there is a mole though
Originally posted by NETROMac
We're going to find out soon enough aren't we? I really hope there is a mole though
It wouldn't be out of the question that this info could be from a 'mole'. After all IBM doesn't have the same 'keep this a secret or die a slow death at the hands of Steve' oath that Apple does. In fact IBM is USUALLY very open with the projects that it's developing. Note IBMs work on CELL and heck even it's ultra-advanced work in nano-tech... IBM has been very much an open book with these kinds of things so finding people who don't think it's a 'BIG HAIRY DEAL' to talk about em might not be that hard to do.
From what I've heard, IBM has made finding out info about the 970 internally harder than many of their other projects (pure speculation is that this was done at the request of Apple)...
disclaimer: 'I want to believe'
Dave
9OMM 970's AT THE END OF THE YEAR?
Holy Crap!
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Oh, and I wouldn't be supprised at all if this were true.
You are starting to sound like Macboudille translations...
Originally posted by keyboardf12
I did not understand your post.
90 MM
Originally posted by JLL
90 MM
Just to be extra clear: 90mm, not 0.9nM.
Originally posted by Clive
Just to be extra clear: 90mm, not 0.9nM.
Thanks Clive and JLL,
but...
it would be 0.09µm, or 90nm.
As for the rest.. it's probably just educated guesses.
Originally posted by Henriok
How the h*ll can MacBidouille know that every call between Moto and Steve end in a quarrel? That's just made up, it can't be based on actual reports. It's so full of bullshit.
As for the rest.. it's probably just educated guesses.
I think MacBidouille is full of sh*t myself. MacBidouille 2003 = MacOSRumors 1999/2000.
Originally posted by Existence
Let's hope we get to 0.09 microns this year as Intel is already at it with Centrino.
There's no .09 Centrino's on Intels Product Page .
http://www.intel.com/products/notebo..._centrino+pmp&
I don't think Intel is .09 micron until late this year.
Originally posted by hmurchison
There's no .09 Centrino's on Intels Product Page .
http://www.intel.com/products/notebo..._centrino+pmp&
I don't think Intel is .09 micron until late this year.
jah, Intel's first 90nm processor will be Prescott (P4 successor)
Or are they so far behind the curve that it's just useless at this point?
Now I agree that Motorola needs a spanking for the G4 fiasco, but the more PowerPC makers, the better in my opinion. Is it lack of engineering talent, lack of decent fabrication plants, or lack of management that's truly holding Moto back?
And will IBM remain committed to the PowerPC architecture 5 years down the road?
Originally posted by Gizzmonic
I wonder if Cisco and Apple could twist Motorola's arm into making decent CPUs again?
Or are they so far behind the curve that it's just useless at this point?
Now I agree that Motorola needs a spanking for the G4 fiasco, but the more PowerPC makers, the better in my opinion. Is it lack of engineering talent, lack of decent fabrication plants, or lack of management that's truly holding Moto back?
And will IBM remain committed to the PowerPC architecture 5 years down the road?
Don't you think, that by IBM licensing the ppc architecture, this problem could be later on by taken care of?
Originally posted by Gizzmonic
....
And will IBM remain committed to the PowerPC architecture 5 years down the road?
There is no question. The POWER/PowerPC architecture is the basis of all but IBM's low-end systems (and some of those). Its low-end systems are based on the Intel x86. But, what of Itanium and isn't the x86 getting more powerful everyday? Well x86 is on life support. Intel has been trying to replace it for the better part of a decade now. As for Itanium, it is a dog. This dog not only has fleas, but it also has mange. People don't call it "Itanic" for nothing.
Bottomline: The POWER/PPC architecture is good. It is homegrown. It has no credible replacement.