under everybody's seat will be a dual 970 iTablet running panther lite...either that or a coupon for a grand slam breakfast at denny's....not sure which one, my sources are confused on this isssue....
g
ah denny's.....the only place you can order by pointing at the menu
Point. I'm sure many would-be Mac developers would be keenly interested in an object lesson in how not to develop for OS X.
</cheap shot>
Yeah, but ain't that more because QXP is a pile of steaming legacy **** under the hood, rather than any Beavith like incapacity to understand a good way of doing things?
no svhit? I've never actually seen Quark in action so I have no idea what is so great about it, but from what I hear anyway is that the transition to InDesign is an easy one, and is just a formidable an application in that area.
Not true. InDesign was not yet released when the Carbon API's were formalized, and InDesign was far more recently written and relied less on the older OS 7-9 calls (heck, QXP probably relied on OS 6 calls!). Because Indesign was more recently written, it was easier to port it to OS X. Quark has the unfortunate situation of being written in a bygone era.
Well, that and the fact that Adobe can get their act together while Quark seems to be employeed by complete iditots. I mean sheesh! I have to port my code from Windows to Solaris and it doesn't take that much work (even though the respective C++ compilers we use have profound differences). The only reason why Quark has been so slow is sheer incompetence. They took forever to get a CD only install out when the iMacs dropped floppy support. Folks, Quark is incompetent. Jobs should announce the completed port of QXP and then thank them for upgrading their product in such a "timely fashion". Jobs should let out all the pent up frustration he has with Moto on Quark. THAT would make me watch the webcast!
On streaming the keynote, and various other sessions of WWDC.
A few years ago they used to do this, but they stopped. I don't really know the reason, but people are paying a lot of money to be there, and I suppose they might not be happy about others seeing the content for free.
Also, if you are an ADC member you can buy the sessions on DVD - they probably would prefer to maximise sales/income this way, rather than give it away.
Quark users form a large block of customers and they buy other apps besides Quark. Some developers produce plugins for Quark. Others produce various utilities and gadgets Quark customers will use to somehow improve their workflow. So some developers have an interest in seeing Quark released for OS X. A large group of customers switching to OS X is big news for developers.
The same for iTMS and for the brick and mortar stores. These are opportunities for new products or new sales outlets.
Yes, but all the developers attending will be interested in whether or not Apple's marketshare is ever going to break above 2% again, and QuarkXPress actually shipping might just have something to do with that.
How many people are waiting to switch to a Macintosh from a Wintel for QuarkXPress? Some people are waiting to make the move to OS X until a native version of Quark is available, but no one is going to change platforms for it.
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Originally posted by neutrino23
Others produce various utilities and gadgets Quark customers will use to somehow improve their workflow.
Did they broadcast or stream last year's WWDC? I don't recall...
Honestly, I find Quark Xpress users are generally the kind of people who don't update their software or hardware until it stops working. Which is why there are still people who haven't switched to InDesign, the extrodinarily superior print layout product that's been running on OS X for some time now. Quark XPress is the visual equivalent of a Hypercard stack, and probably isn't very different in coding either...
Secretly, Quark went out of business six years ago. Now, there's one guy working under the basement stairs of his mothers house desperately trying to code a new version of Quark for OS X.
Anyhow, Quark would be the last people to have anything to say at WWDC, I think. Unless they do what wfzelle said and have a box of rotten tomatoes and eggs under every seat
An as-yet unidentified Apple executive will take the stage on Wednesday, July 16 at 9:30AM, according to IDG World Expo. At 3PM that day, Macromedia Products President Norm Meyrowitz will take the stage, as well. The Feature Presentations will be open to all attendees.
Did they broadcast or stream last year's WWDC? I don't recall...
I remember seeing the QuickTime video of Jobs' keynote (the campy OS9 R.I.P. spiel) after the fact - maybe a week or so after WWDC '02 occurred - at Apple's site. I don't recall if the stream was originally broadcast live, however.
This is a news clip from the future. Don't ask how I obtained it.
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June 23, 2003:
San Francisco, CA: Apple CEO Steve Jobs addressed an eager crowd of developers today at the World Wide Developers' Conference. Sneak peeks of Mac OS X 10.3, codenamed "Panther", were shown, and some companies, including Quark, demonstrated some of their upcoming products for OS X. However, what followed shocked many members of the audience. A transcript follows:
Jobs: Oh, and there's one more thing. Many of you have been wondering about the future development of Mac hardware.
<eager silence in the audience>
Jobs: There have been many reports of our using the IBM PowerPC 970 for our next line of processors. However, it may surprise you to hear that we will not actually be using this chip.
<stunned silence from crowd>
Jobs: At this time, I will present Mike Zafirovski, representing Motorola, who will help explain why we will continue to use Motorola processors.
<Mike Zafirovski steps on stage>
<boos, jeers from audience>
Zafirovski: Well, we've been working hard on our next generation of PowerPC processors, and we've actually been working very closely with Apple for some special features for it. The real breakthough, though, occurred when Steve managed to build us a working time machine.
<confused silence from crowd>
Zafirovski: What we did once we had this technology was that we travelled three years into the future, when we had fabs capable of building a 3 GHz G5! We took the blueprints from our future counterparts, took them back to the present, and upgraded our fabrication facilities to be able to build these new chips.
<cautious murmuring from crowd>
Zafirovski: The problem was that once we had this new technology, we worked on it over the next three years, and improved it, so that when our past selves travelled into the future, what they brought back was a 4 GHz G6 instead of a 3 GHz G5.
<confused murmuring from crowd, a little louder>
Zafirovski: This caused a temporal causality loop, with the speed of the chip we brought back from the future getting faster and faster. The loop did not get broken until the chip reached the absolute upper limit of performance that can be reached.
Jobs: This chip is incredible. It represents the pinnacle of all human achievement. Gigahertz ratings, or should I say, exohertz ratings, are completely irrelevant on this machine. It is capable of doing lots of neat stuff which we think developers will enjoy taking advantage of, such as quantum computing, Star Trek holodecks, and pop-up tabbed windows. We're calling it the Real Fast Engine. We think it will change the direction of computing.
<stunned silence from audience>
Jobs: But, just to show you how fast this chip really is, I'd like to show you some Unreal Tournament 2003 benchmarks. However, we didn't think it would be fair to run UT 2003 in OS X. Therefore, we decided to show you another new product we're introducing today. Starting today, all new copies of Mac OS X are going to ship with a Pentium emulator capable of running Windows XP.
<excited murmuring from crowd>
Jobs: I'd just like to show you a demonstration of the Windows version of UT 2003 running in emulation, on OS X, on a RFE processor.
<Jobs starts game, against AI opponents>
<In a blink of an eye, the AI characters zip into the room and instantly kill Jobs' character>
Jobs: Uh, heh heh... I guess there are still some bugs in limiting the speed of the emulation. Moving right along...
<Jobs gives death glare to an Apple engineer>
<Engineer hurriedly types up his last will and testament on a TiBook>
Jobs: Anyway, these new machines are wicked fast, and will ship with OS X Panther. They will be available in three days, starting at $899 for a 12 Exohertz tower.
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Reactions from the web have been mixed. On most web sites, readers were excited about this new development. However, on a Mac forum named AppleInsider, some users were not as thrilled. Comments included:
"There was no mention of the Star Trek transporter technology that was supposed to be in this machine! Way to go Apple, letting us down again!"
"$899? That's outrageous! Where's that 75 cent computer that was rumored?! That does it - I'M SWITCHING TO WINTEL!!!"
"I'm disappointed that this machine still doesn't have the power button on the keyboard. Too bad - guess I'll be holding off my next purchase a little longer."
"Mac OS X Panther still doesn't include the Control Strip! Boo!"
"Three days? Damn it, why does Apple have to delay everything they make so long? I can't wait for that - I need a computer now! Dude, I'm getting a Dell!"
----
This conference seems to have been wildly successful, with many very large orders for new Apple computers coming in from many new clients, including an order of 25,000 machines for the FBI. Many experts, though, are curious about what happened to the Star Trek transporter technology that was rumored to be in this machine. Many Apple insiders had hinted at its existence, but no mention was seen of it at today's conference.
In other news, Bill Gates's body has been found in high orbit of the Earth. The FBI was quick to rule the occurrence an apparent suicide.
In an unrelated coincidence, Saddam Hussein was seen falling off of Niagara Falls today, another apparent suicide according to the FBI.
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There you have it, a news article from the future. I've managed to get one of those machines, and it's wicked fast. Also, I managed to escape in my time machine to the present, where... OH SHIT! They're coming - how did they figure out that I was going to be here at my computer at exactly this date and time?! Oh well, I know a time I can go to where they'll never think to look. Gotta go...
This just in: In the wake of Apple's announcement of the Real Fast Engine™, Dell has bounced back with a Time Machine - enabled computer of their own. Says Michael Dell, "It's a computer with a digital clock on the front bezel. With this revolutionary ClocktiPlex™ technology, you will always know precisely what time it is, even when the Pentium processor gets so bogged down that it can't update the taskbar clock. See, Apple isn't really that innovative after all. We have just as many good ideas as they do. Actually, they probably stole the idea of a Time Machine - enabled computer by spying on our prototypes."
Comments
Originally posted by thegelding
under everybody's seat will be a dual 970 iTablet running panther lite...either that or a coupon for a grand slam breakfast at denny's....not sure which one, my sources are confused on this isssue....
g
ah denny's.....the only place you can order by pointing at the menu
Originally posted by Amorph
Point. I'm sure many would-be Mac developers would be keenly interested in an object lesson in how not to develop for OS X.
</cheap shot>
Yeah, but ain't that more because QXP is a pile of steaming legacy **** under the hood, rather than any Beavith like incapacity to understand a good way of doing things?
Or have I got this wrong?
Originally posted by onlooker
no svhit? I've never actually seen Quark in action so I have no idea what is so great about it, but from what I hear anyway is that the transition to InDesign is an easy one, and is just a formidable an application in that area.
Not true. InDesign was not yet released when the Carbon API's were formalized, and InDesign was far more recently written and relied less on the older OS 7-9 calls (heck, QXP probably relied on OS 6 calls!). Because Indesign was more recently written, it was easier to port it to OS X. Quark has the unfortunate situation of being written in a bygone era.
Well, that and the fact that Adobe can get their act together while Quark seems to be employeed by complete iditots. I mean sheesh! I have to port my code from Windows to Solaris and it doesn't take that much work (even though the respective C++ compilers we use have profound differences). The only reason why Quark has been so slow is sheer incompetence. They took forever to get a CD only install out when the iMacs dropped floppy support. Folks, Quark is incompetent. Jobs should announce the completed port of QXP and then thank them for upgrading their product in such a "timely fashion". Jobs should let out all the pent up frustration he has with Moto on Quark. THAT would make me watch the webcast!
A few years ago they used to do this, but they stopped. I don't really know the reason, but people are paying a lot of money to be there, and I suppose they might not be happy about others seeing the content for free.
Also, if you are an ADC member you can buy the sessions on DVD - they probably would prefer to maximise sales/income this way, rather than give it away.
Though things can change, again.
Originally posted by wfzelle
I think that they'll invite Quark on stage, but there will be a box of rotten tomatoes and eggs under every seat
Quark will be introduced as an example for other developers to follow.
Originally posted by Chucker
World
Wide
Developers
Conference
How's that suitable for Quark?
Quark users form a large block of customers and they buy other apps besides Quark. Some developers produce plugins for Quark. Others produce various utilities and gadgets Quark customers will use to somehow improve their workflow. So some developers have an interest in seeing Quark released for OS X. A large group of customers switching to OS X is big news for developers.
The same for iTMS and for the brick and mortar stores. These are opportunities for new products or new sales outlets.
don't get me wrong. i still hate them
Originally posted by Tomb of the Unknown
Yes, but all the developers attending will be interested in whether or not Apple's marketshare is ever going to break above 2% again, and QuarkXPress actually shipping might just have something to do with that.
How many people are waiting to switch to a Macintosh from a Wintel for QuarkXPress? Some people are waiting to make the move to OS X until a native version of Quark is available, but no one is going to change platforms for it.
Originally posted by neutrino23
Others produce various utilities and gadgets Quark customers will use to somehow improve their workflow.
Adobe did this when they released InDesign
Honestly, I find Quark Xpress users are generally the kind of people who don't update their software or hardware until it stops working. Which is why there are still people who haven't switched to InDesign, the extrodinarily superior print layout product that's been running on OS X for some time now. Quark XPress is the visual equivalent of a Hypercard stack, and probably isn't very different in coding either...
Secretly, Quark went out of business six years ago. Now, there's one guy working under the basement stairs of his mothers house desperately trying to code a new version of Quark for OS X.
Anyhow, Quark would be the last people to have anything to say at WWDC, I think. Unless they do what wfzelle said and have a box of rotten tomatoes and eggs under every seat
Link: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...8/creativepro/
An as-yet unidentified Apple executive will take the stage on Wednesday, July 16 at 9:30AM, according to IDG World Expo. At 3PM that day, Macromedia Products President Norm Meyrowitz will take the stage, as well. The Feature Presentations will be open to all attendees.
Originally posted by Cory Bauer
Did they broadcast or stream last year's WWDC? I don't recall...
I remember seeing the QuickTime video of Jobs' keynote (the campy OS9 R.I.P. spiel) after the fact - maybe a week or so after WWDC '02 occurred - at Apple's site. I don't recall if the stream was originally broadcast live, however.
I don't recall if the stream was originally broadcast live, however.
It wasn't.
Originally posted by musicaltone
InDesign rocks! Once you've switched there is no going back.
Yes. I absolutely agree.
I think Jobs should welcome a Quark exec on stage and promptly administer a bitch slap.
Whilst the Quark exec is still picking himself of the ground "And please welcome **** from Adobe, who's going to demonstrate InDesign 3.0"
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June 23, 2003:
San Francisco, CA: Apple CEO Steve Jobs addressed an eager crowd of developers today at the World Wide Developers' Conference. Sneak peeks of Mac OS X 10.3, codenamed "Panther", were shown, and some companies, including Quark, demonstrated some of their upcoming products for OS X. However, what followed shocked many members of the audience. A transcript follows:
Jobs: Oh, and there's one more thing. Many of you have been wondering about the future development of Mac hardware.
<eager silence in the audience>
Jobs: There have been many reports of our using the IBM PowerPC 970 for our next line of processors. However, it may surprise you to hear that we will not actually be using this chip.
<stunned silence from crowd>
Jobs: At this time, I will present Mike Zafirovski, representing Motorola, who will help explain why we will continue to use Motorola processors.
<Mike Zafirovski steps on stage>
<boos, jeers from audience>
Zafirovski: Well, we've been working hard on our next generation of PowerPC processors, and we've actually been working very closely with Apple for some special features for it. The real breakthough, though, occurred when Steve managed to build us a working time machine.
<confused silence from crowd>
Zafirovski: What we did once we had this technology was that we travelled three years into the future, when we had fabs capable of building a 3 GHz G5! We took the blueprints from our future counterparts, took them back to the present, and upgraded our fabrication facilities to be able to build these new chips.
<cautious murmuring from crowd>
Zafirovski: The problem was that once we had this new technology, we worked on it over the next three years, and improved it, so that when our past selves travelled into the future, what they brought back was a 4 GHz G6 instead of a 3 GHz G5.
<confused murmuring from crowd, a little louder>
Zafirovski: This caused a temporal causality loop, with the speed of the chip we brought back from the future getting faster and faster. The loop did not get broken until the chip reached the absolute upper limit of performance that can be reached.
Jobs: This chip is incredible. It represents the pinnacle of all human achievement. Gigahertz ratings, or should I say, exohertz ratings, are completely irrelevant on this machine. It is capable of doing lots of neat stuff which we think developers will enjoy taking advantage of, such as quantum computing, Star Trek holodecks, and pop-up tabbed windows. We're calling it the Real Fast Engine. We think it will change the direction of computing.
<stunned silence from audience>
Jobs: But, just to show you how fast this chip really is, I'd like to show you some Unreal Tournament 2003 benchmarks. However, we didn't think it would be fair to run UT 2003 in OS X. Therefore, we decided to show you another new product we're introducing today. Starting today, all new copies of Mac OS X are going to ship with a Pentium emulator capable of running Windows XP.
<excited murmuring from crowd>
Jobs: I'd just like to show you a demonstration of the Windows version of UT 2003 running in emulation, on OS X, on a RFE processor.
<Jobs starts game, against AI opponents>
<In a blink of an eye, the AI characters zip into the room and instantly kill Jobs' character>
Jobs: Uh, heh heh... I guess there are still some bugs in limiting the speed of the emulation. Moving right along...
<Jobs gives death glare to an Apple engineer>
<Engineer hurriedly types up his last will and testament on a TiBook>
Jobs: Anyway, these new machines are wicked fast, and will ship with OS X Panther. They will be available in three days, starting at $899 for a 12 Exohertz tower.
----
Reactions from the web have been mixed. On most web sites, readers were excited about this new development. However, on a Mac forum named AppleInsider, some users were not as thrilled. Comments included:
"There was no mention of the Star Trek transporter technology that was supposed to be in this machine! Way to go Apple, letting us down again!"
"$899? That's outrageous! Where's that 75 cent computer that was rumored?! That does it - I'M SWITCHING TO WINTEL!!!"
"I'm disappointed that this machine still doesn't have the power button on the keyboard. Too bad - guess I'll be holding off my next purchase a little longer."
"Mac OS X Panther still doesn't include the Control Strip! Boo!"
"Three days? Damn it, why does Apple have to delay everything they make so long? I can't wait for that - I need a computer now! Dude, I'm getting a Dell!"
----
This conference seems to have been wildly successful, with many very large orders for new Apple computers coming in from many new clients, including an order of 25,000 machines for the FBI. Many experts, though, are curious about what happened to the Star Trek transporter technology that was rumored to be in this machine. Many Apple insiders had hinted at its existence, but no mention was seen of it at today's conference.
In other news, Bill Gates's body has been found in high orbit of the Earth. The FBI was quick to rule the occurrence an apparent suicide.
In an unrelated coincidence, Saddam Hussein was seen falling off of Niagara Falls today, another apparent suicide according to the FBI.
--------
There you have it, a news article from the future. I've managed to get one of those machines, and it's wicked fast. Also, I managed to escape in my time machine to the present, where... OH SHIT! They're coming - how did they figure out that I was going to be here at my computer at exactly this date and time?! Oh well, I know a time I can go to where they'll never think to look. Gotta go...
Steve Jobs declined to comment.