How many people are waiting to switch to a Macintosh from a Wintel for QuarkXPress? Some people are waiting to make the move to OS X until a native version of Quark is available, but no one is going to change platforms for it.
100% exactly right - and guess what? No one's waiting for XPress 6.0 so that they can switch to X either. Quark's having a hard enough time selling v5.0 upgrades, they are now giving away 6.0 upgrades in order to get people to buy 5.0.
Apple is kidding itself that the "road block" on X adoption is caused by not having a native X version of XPress.
Apple is kidding itself that the "road block" on X adoption is caused by not having a native X version of XPress.
I wouldn't have said "kidding itself". More like "kidding _us_". They know as well as we do the original iMac isn't a speed demon in X. They also know that PowerMac sales are in the toilet to stay until some serious horsepower is added.
X adoption is a self-fulfilling prophesy: Once 100% of new machines can't even run OS 9, it's pretty clear what OS will be run on them. So the 'adoption rate' is approaching 3.5 million per year... It will also be the death of speed comparisons: "The Power970 does XYZ in 7 seconds!" How do you compare that to an OS 9 speed - it can't _run_ 9? -> X will finally be unquestionably faster.
It wouldn't suprise me if Jobs turned this keynote into what would have been his MWNY keynote.
If there is still a bad relationship between Jobs/IDG, then a launching QXP6 or even the 970 just a couple weeks before their conf. would be one way to get back at them.
ah denny's.....the only place you can order by pointing at the menu
Except for Japan where Tsubohachi, Shirokiya and a vast number of other Nomiyas and Izakayas have menus with pictures to point at.
Back on track...
If indeed, as seems likely, Steve will introduce the 970 at WWDC then you have to think they will stream this as it will be the biggest news for Apple since the introduction of the Bondi Blue iMac.
It wouldn't suprise me if Jobs turned this keynote into what would have been his MWNY keynote.
If there is still a bad relationship between Jobs/IDG, then a launching QXP6 or even the 970 just a couple weeks before their conf. would be one way to get back at them.
I serously doubt a relese of QXP 6. It is in beta but it is a relatively new beta as far as Quark goes, and they will need all the time they can get to make it into a full fledged product. They may show it just to "commit" to a future release, but I doubt that it is ready for prime time. Also, the venue is wrong to a release of a "production" program at a developers conference.
unless your production workflow keeps you with OS 9...Then InDesign is too slow.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I think that's an InDesign thing rather than an OS 9 thing. It's not the Snappiest TM program on older hardware, even in Mac OS X. But I guess that's the price you pay for all the advanced features.
v2 is a LOT faster than v1.5, and v2 should certainly be fast enough on anything like a QuickSilver. I use it at work on a 450MHz Cube, and it's just about usable. My Dual 1GHz at home couldn't really get much faster. But I can see your point about OS 9...
"I'm disappointed that this machine still doesn't have the power button on the keyboard. Too bad - guess I'll be holding off my next purchase a little longer."
A) Dunno why you are talking about MWNY (unless it is in regards to a Quark XP 6 release). Because isn't apple out of the MW shows, or significantly removed?
I imagine there will be one or two software (3rd party) announcements that may be invovled in the Keynote at WWDC, they need to show other developers what other OS X developers are doing, plus you know Steve likes to brag about whatever he can to whomever he can
C) Hardware has been shown off at WWDC before, I'm sure it will happen again. And from reading, the 970 just seems to make sense. Push the 64-bit thing all the way... Apple: "Look we have the awesome 64-bit hardware (970), and the awesome 64-bit OS (Panther), we just need some awesome 64-bit software, developers, this is your mission for the year."
I've heard from many creatives at big ad agencies all over that they're starting to give inDesign classes to the art directors. They're starting to switch over from Quark to inDesign.
Yes, some agencies are still running Quark 3.3 on OS 8.6 G3s, but I think they all know they're going to need new hardware soon (most have cut back on expenses for the past 2 years because of the bad economy), and they know that when they get any new hardware they're going to HAVE to make the leap from 8.6-9.2 to OSX. They don't think Quark will be ready anytime soon - they already use photoshop and illustrator and other Adobe software exclusively - it's just been easier to keep plugging away with Quark (even though ALL agency art directors have lots of issues with it and think it sux) then learn a new program. So it's been a very sloooowwww process getting people to make the switch - but those professionals I've talked to like using inDesign so much more than Quark, that they've kissed it goodbye. - I did as well until my 30 day trial ran out.
The switch to inDesign has begun to pick up momentum, and Quark has begun to lose its grip on the print production industry. I've even seen print shops tout their ability to produce inDesign documents (while many of those still haven't upgraded to Quark 5 yet).
(can you imagine upgrading from a 300mhz G3 tower running os8 to a 970 with 10.3 and all the latest software? They're going to crap their pants. )
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yeah, but they're 64-bit hours, which will outclock equivalent Wintel hours
Originally posted by curiousuburb
Jobs' WWDC Keynote is 2 hours long
yeah, but they're 64-bit hours, which will outclock equivalent Wintel hours
lol
Originally posted by ouroboros
That was probably the most entertaining post I've ever read!!
indeed very entertaining for someone who is Junior Member since 05-08-1990
almost as entertaining as this
Originally posted by fahlman
How many people are waiting to switch to a Macintosh from a Wintel for QuarkXPress? Some people are waiting to make the move to OS X until a native version of Quark is available, but no one is going to change platforms for it.
100% exactly right - and guess what? No one's waiting for XPress 6.0 so that they can switch to X either. Quark's having a hard enough time selling v5.0 upgrades, they are now giving away 6.0 upgrades in order to get people to buy 5.0.
Apple is kidding itself that the "road block" on X adoption is caused by not having a native X version of XPress.
Originally posted by Clive
Apple is kidding itself that the "road block" on X adoption is caused by not having a native X version of XPress.
I wouldn't have said "kidding itself". More like "kidding _us_". They know as well as we do the original iMac isn't a speed demon in X. They also know that PowerMac sales are in the toilet to stay until some serious horsepower is added.
X adoption is a self-fulfilling prophesy: Once 100% of new machines can't even run OS 9, it's pretty clear what OS will be run on them. So the 'adoption rate' is approaching 3.5 million per year... It will also be the death of speed comparisons: "The Power970 does XYZ in 7 seconds!" How do you compare that to an OS 9 speed - it can't _run_ 9? -> X will finally be unquestionably faster.
If there is still a bad relationship between Jobs/IDG, then a launching QXP6 or even the 970 just a couple weeks before their conf. would be one way to get back at them.
Originally posted by PowerPC
ah denny's.....the only place you can order by pointing at the menu
Except for Japan where Tsubohachi, Shirokiya and a vast number of other Nomiyas and Izakayas have menus with pictures to point at.
Back on track...
If indeed, as seems likely, Steve will introduce the 970 at WWDC then you have to think they will stream this as it will be the biggest news for Apple since the introduction of the Bondi Blue iMac.
Originally posted by Michael Grey
It wouldn't suprise me if Jobs turned this keynote into what would have been his MWNY keynote.
If there is still a bad relationship between Jobs/IDG, then a launching QXP6 or even the 970 just a couple weeks before their conf. would be one way to get back at them.
I serously doubt a relese of QXP 6. It is in beta but it is a relatively new beta as far as Quark goes, and they will need all the time they can get to make it into a full fledged product. They may show it just to "commit" to a future release, but I doubt that it is ready for prime time. Also, the venue is wrong to a release of a "production" program at a developers conference.
Originally posted by Messiah
Yes. I absolutely agree.
I think Jobs should welcome a Quark exec on stage and promptly administer a bitch slap.
Whilst the Quark exec is still picking himself of the ground "And please welcome **** from Adobe, who's going to demonstrate InDesign 3.0"
unless your production workflow keeps you with OS 9...Then InDesign is too slow.
Originally posted by @homenow
unless your production workflow keeps you with OS 9...Then InDesign is too slow.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I think that's an InDesign thing rather than an OS 9 thing. It's not the Snappiest TM program on older hardware, even in Mac OS X. But I guess that's the price you pay for all the advanced features.
v2 is a LOT faster than v1.5, and v2 should certainly be fast enough on anything like a QuickSilver. I use it at work on a 450MHz Cube, and it's just about usable. My Dual 1GHz at home couldn't really get much faster. But I can see your point about OS 9...
Originally posted by CharlesS
"I'm disappointed that this machine still doesn't have the power button on the keyboard. Too bad - guess I'll be holding off my next purchase a little longer."
Except for Japan where Tsubohachi, Shirokiya and a vast number of other Nomiyas and Izakayas have menus with pictures to point at.
Pics Please!
C) Hardware has been shown off at WWDC before, I'm sure it will happen again. And from reading, the 970 just seems to make sense. Push the 64-bit thing all the way... Apple: "Look we have the awesome 64-bit hardware (970), and the awesome 64-bit OS (Panther), we just need some awesome 64-bit software, developers, this is your mission for the year."
at least thats how i see it going down...
Yes, some agencies are still running Quark 3.3 on OS 8.6 G3s, but I think they all know they're going to need new hardware soon (most have cut back on expenses for the past 2 years because of the bad economy), and they know that when they get any new hardware they're going to HAVE to make the leap from 8.6-9.2 to OSX. They don't think Quark will be ready anytime soon - they already use photoshop and illustrator and other Adobe software exclusively - it's just been easier to keep plugging away with Quark (even though ALL agency art directors have lots of issues with it and think it sux) then learn a new program. So it's been a very sloooowwww process getting people to make the switch - but those professionals I've talked to like using inDesign so much more than Quark, that they've kissed it goodbye. - I did as well until my 30 day trial ran out.
The switch to inDesign has begun to pick up momentum, and Quark has begun to lose its grip on the print production industry. I've even seen print shops tout their ability to produce inDesign documents (while many of those still haven't upgraded to Quark 5 yet).
(can you imagine upgrading from a 300mhz G3 tower running os8 to a 970 with 10.3 and all the latest software? They're going to crap their pants. )