Does this really mean that we won't get updated Powerbooks until January? I am one of the so called switchers but I have been waiting to jump until a revised powerbook as I do not like the current form. If it is going to be January though, I might just have to go get a Sony or even worse a Dell. This is annoying.
<strong>Does this really mean that we won't get updated Powerbooks until January? I am one of the so called switchers but I have been waiting to jump until a revised powerbook as I do not like the current form. If it is going to be January though, I might just have to go get a Sony or even worse a Dell. This is annoying.</strong><hr></blockquote>The current model has been out for just over 5 months. Even if it's updated in January, that's only 8 months. Even a January update would be on the early side, as updates go.
You don't like the form? It's almost universally regarded as one of the most beautiful laptops ever.
[quote] You don't like the form? It's almost universally regarded as one of the most beautiful laptops ever.<hr></blockquote>
By form I actually mean the guts. I will have a hard time buying anything less than a 1 gig G4 for $3000. The Powerbook in its beauty is why I originally wanted to switch. Now obviously the main reason is Jaguar.
Is it seriously as hot and slow as you all say? I'm getting nervous now that I ordered mine... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
yep it runs fine & gets hot as hell when you
do anything gfx intensive & then the fan comes
on. by hot i mean you cant use it on your lap
without getting burnt
for the other posters who are comparing laptops
try one before commenting
i also use a dell laptop at work & the heat
isnt an issue due to the polycarb body
on the titanium it is
speedwise i'd put my ti 800 (1gb ram) in the same
class as my dell p3 650 (512mb ram)
nb. i am running oracle9i on the dell & c++
compilers on top
so form factor & looks & a beautifull lcd = thumbs up
Just because it feels slow doesn't mean it actually is.
Now, we didn't get the update today. Bummer.
I think if we don't get it tomorrow, at least we have hope at hearing some possible hints from the earnings conference call. There have always been subtle suggestions after these conference calls. Like when questioned about iChat and incorporating video conferencing, Steve Jobs said, "working on it."
*Computer can only run when the room tempreture is below zero. Even then wearing hotmits may be required. Opperating aboze zero will void the computer's warrenty. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
seems like the french mac site Macbidouille is suspecting powerbook updates to occur in first week of Nov.
I babelfished the text:
Rumour on Powerbook [ MÃ*J ] - Lionel - 06:11:04 Several concordant sources, seem to fall from agreement; there will be the new one on the portables at the latest at the end of the first week of November.
Attention, it is possible that the machines are delivered only later.
We will not speculate in the technical specifications.
Let us wish just that BlueTooth is integrated into the mother chart, history to be able to give a real attraction to iSync when it leaves in final version.
[ MÃ*J ] of new sources confirmed the nearest arrival of new portables. One speaks about Powerbook and iBook!
Information more prone to guarantee speaks now about a renaming for a product. It is enough to one nothing to dream with iPad...
--- end of translation
*sigh* will it ever end?
Now I'll wait till the end of the first week of Nov. but this is the last time!
I am torn. I don't know If i would prefer the Powerbook now with a minor revision (bluetooth, 933mhz, ATI 9000) or a major homerun type revision in January or Febuary (new case, superdrive, 1ghz+, etc). I have now waited so long I am jaded and do not care any more. I have accepted the fact that Apple may never release the damn thing, I have lost most of the exitement I had around the begining of Sept. Now I am just rationalizing my growing frustration by thinking they are delaying it to make it better, when deep down I know Jobs is just waiting to get rid of all the old 667mhz models before he gives us a half-assed upgrade. Here's hoping something happens eventually. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Good chance that the dock lockout has something to do with no new PB. Whatever happened with David Pogue and his two weeks to bluetooth in something comment? Nothing has materialized yet, and its now two weeks later.
Unless Palm releases their new pda this week (yawn), the odds are that he was leaking some new PB info. His comment was before the dock business got a lot of press.
Apple has been very active with press releases recently. It seems that there is something new every week. Usually not anything mind blowing, but still, they haven't let too many weeks go by without some sort of product announcement.
While the IBM news (gossip) is big, it certainly doesn't count as Apple - yet. Elvis? Hardly worth mentioning. Jimmy Carter???? The financial stuff probably isn't going to be earth shattering and it doesn't fall into the new product category. This week would be (or have been) a good time for something more.
Besides, I need one of those damn PBs, and I to am not willing to spend all that money on the current specs.
WHEN are we getting new Powerbooks? Should I go ahead and blow the $$$ on the 667 or wait. I think that most would agree that those that can wait should, but this is getting PAINFUL. Are we stuck here until January/February? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
I'm waiting for my GPUL PowerBook anyway...and if other people are on the fence, get an 800 and it'll last you well until those bad boys hit the market.
No, because as Apple has stated many times in it's conference calls like the one today that all it's portables are shipped by air.</strong><hr></blockquote>
wait, shipped by apple to the consumer by air or from the production line to apple by air? there's a big difference.
Apple's fourth quarter results show some interesting trends in demand for its hardware across the board. For the quarter, the company moved some 734,000 units total across its entire product line, a sequential quarterly drop of 9 percent and a 14 percent drop from the same quarter a year ago. All told, the company's hardware sales comprised $1.094 billion of its $1.443 billion in revenue.
<strong>The PowerBook G4 line saw a 38 percent drop in units sold from the previous quarter, from 94,000 to 58,000 units. That's a bit better than the same quarter a year ago, when Apple moved about 57,000 units. Apple CFO Fred Anderson attributes weak sales of the PowerBook to continued economic issues among Apple's professional consumers.</strong>
At 176,000 units sold, demand for the Power Mac G4 dropped year over year as well -- Apple moved 248,000 Power Mac G4s for the same quarter in 2001. Apple saw the release of new dual-processor Power Mac G4s this quarter, however, which may help to explain why sales were up 5 percent quarter-to-quarter.
iBook demand continued strong -- up 8 percent quarter to quarter to 182,000 units, but down year-to-year about 27 percent. Apple's iMac figures (which include the 17 inch CRT-equipped eMac system) show a sequential drop of 16 percent to 318,000 units, but a year over year improvement of 8 percent. <hr></blockquote>
Economic issues among professional customers???
What the F?
No, Mr. Fred Anderson...it's because #1, we "professionals" aren't going to buy outdated technology! 667...800 Mhz...C'mon Apple! Your PowerMacs are up to 1.2 GHz. Your low-end PowerBook is almost half the speed. Secondly, why should we pay megabucks for something we "professionals" feel is outdated. Plain and simple...update the friggin thing...will ya? Geez <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
wait, shipped by apple to the consumer by air or from the production line to apple by air? there's a big difference.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Air Freight. Meaning they drop crate-fulls of laptops onto planes, and fly them over here. If there are some bound for consumers, they'll split up the order after it arrives and those will ship separately from within the US.
what do you guys think about the mosr report from this week saying that new ibooks are coming really soon? it's been like pulling teeth to make a move and buy a portable now!
<strong>what do you guys think about the mosr report from this week saying that new ibooks are coming really soon? it's been like pulling teeth to make a move and buy a portable now!</strong><hr></blockquote>
MacosRumors doesn't know anything. Never use them to determine your buying decisions. They are as clueless as the rest of us about new hardware and announcements.
The way I see it. Wait at least till The end of the first week of Nov (if you can). If no new Powerbooks come out then, buy the current TiBooks. They are no slouches. They will get the job done. *If* new Powerbooks come out a few weeks later, you can still sell your TiBook for a good price and spend a little more for the latest PB.
From Apple's Financial report it doesn't seem like they are selling that many TiBooks. So that means there are a lot of Tibooks sitting in warehouses, collecting dust. I don't think they will be releasing new Powerbooks due to this problem. Believe me I hope I am wrong. But it is just hard to think Apple will release new PB's and swallow the loss on the old ones. You would think they would at least lower the cost of the current TiBooks to clear out some space (those RAM/Power Couple deals don't count).
From reading this board and Macnn it seems there are a fair number of people waiting to buy new PB's. It may be in Apple's interest to add a third config to the PB line with a faster processor (933 or 1 GHz), bigger HD, and updated graphics (ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 64MB RAM). That way they sort of "refresh" the line but still sell the old models (at reduced cost). This would probably be good for both Apple and new PB buyers. Faster system bus, DDR, bluetooth are things I can wait for in the next evolution of the powerbook.
Comments
<strong>Does this really mean that we won't get updated Powerbooks until January? I am one of the so called switchers but I have been waiting to jump until a revised powerbook as I do not like the current form. If it is going to be January though, I might just have to go get a Sony or even worse a Dell. This is annoying.</strong><hr></blockquote>The current model has been out for just over 5 months. Even if it's updated in January, that's only 8 months. Even a January update would be on the early side, as updates go.
You don't like the form? It's almost universally regarded as one of the most beautiful laptops ever.
<img src="confused.gif" border="0">
By form I actually mean the guts. I will have a hard time buying anything less than a 1 gig G4 for $3000. The Powerbook in its beauty is why I originally wanted to switch. Now obviously the main reason is Jaguar.
<strong>
Is it seriously as hot and slow as you all say? I'm getting nervous now that I ordered mine... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
yep it runs fine & gets hot as hell when you
do anything gfx intensive & then the fan comes
on. by hot i mean you cant use it on your lap
without getting burnt
for the other posters who are comparing laptops
try one before commenting
i also use a dell laptop at work & the heat
isnt an issue due to the polycarb body
on the titanium it is
speedwise i'd put my ti 800 (1gb ram) in the same
class as my dell p3 650 (512mb ram)
nb. i am running oracle9i on the dell & c++
compilers on top
so form factor & looks & a beautifull lcd = thumbs up
speed & heat issues = thumbs down
if you don't do any intensive dba work or low
level coding then its a great machine
10.2.1 runs fine on it ....i think the aqua
layer is really whats slowing it down at the
moment beacuse my linux install blazes when
i had it running
all in all a nice machine, for new buyers
i'd suggest waiting for a price drop
otherwise the vaio's are equally nice machines
the dells are ugly but can handle some abuse
no experience with the toshiba's
Now, we didn't get the update today. Bummer.
I think if we don't get it tomorrow, at least we have hope at hearing some possible hints from the earnings conference call. There have always been subtle suggestions after these conference calls. Like when questioned about iChat and incorporating video conferencing, Steve Jobs said, "working on it."
The Wednesday earnings conference call should tell us some things.
here's *still* hoping that we get new powerbooks this week
- trowa
Dual 1.25 Gzh G4 proccessors*
2 GB 167 mzg ram
120 GB hard drive
Same size and form factor.
only $6000 dollars
*Computer can only run when the room tempreture is below zero. Even then wearing hotmits may be required. Opperating aboze zero will void the computer's warrenty.
I babelfished the text:
Rumour on Powerbook [ MÃ*J ] - Lionel - 06:11:04 Several concordant sources, seem to fall from agreement; there will be the new one on the portables at the latest at the end of the first week of November.
Attention, it is possible that the machines are delivered only later.
We will not speculate in the technical specifications.
Let us wish just that BlueTooth is integrated into the mother chart, history to be able to give a real attraction to iSync when it leaves in final version.
[ MÃ*J ] of new sources confirmed the nearest arrival of new portables. One speaks about Powerbook and iBook!
Information more prone to guarantee speaks now about a renaming for a product. It is enough to one nothing to dream with iPad...
--- end of translation
*sigh* will it ever end?
Now I'll wait till the end of the first week of Nov. but this is the last time!
- trowa
Unless Palm releases their new pda this week (yawn), the odds are that he was leaking some new PB info. His comment was before the dock business got a lot of press.
Apple has been very active with press releases recently. It seems that there is something new every week. Usually not anything mind blowing, but still, they haven't let too many weeks go by without some sort of product announcement.
While the IBM news (gossip) is big, it certainly doesn't count as Apple - yet. Elvis? Hardly worth mentioning. Jimmy Carter???? The financial stuff probably isn't going to be earth shattering and it doesn't fall into the new product category. This week would be (or have been) a good time for something more.
Besides, I need one of those damn PBs, and I to am not willing to spend all that money on the current specs.
<strong>Its now October the 15th!!!! - Please please you have got to believe me - there will NOT be a revision until Feburary next year.
Come on - it aint rocket science to suss out Apple.
Jools</strong><hr></blockquote>
So explain your reasoning, because I'm not seeing it, or is this another one of your random trollings?
[ 10-16-2002: Message edited by: off/lang ]</p>
WHEN are we getting new Powerbooks? Should I go ahead and blow the $$$ on the 667 or wait. I think that most would agree that those that can wait should, but this is getting PAINFUL. Are we stuck here until January/February? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>I wonder if they are delayed because of the dock lockout?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, because as Apple has stated many times in it's conference calls like the one today that all it's portables are shipped by air.
<strong>
No, because as Apple has stated many times in it's conference calls like the one today that all it's portables are shipped by air.</strong><hr></blockquote>
wait, shipped by apple to the consumer by air or from the production line to apple by air? there's a big difference.
by Peter Cohen, [email protected]
October 16, 2002 6:15 pm ET
Apple's fourth quarter results show some interesting trends in demand for its hardware across the board. For the quarter, the company moved some 734,000 units total across its entire product line, a sequential quarterly drop of 9 percent and a 14 percent drop from the same quarter a year ago. All told, the company's hardware sales comprised $1.094 billion of its $1.443 billion in revenue.
<strong>The PowerBook G4 line saw a 38 percent drop in units sold from the previous quarter, from 94,000 to 58,000 units. That's a bit better than the same quarter a year ago, when Apple moved about 57,000 units. Apple CFO Fred Anderson attributes weak sales of the PowerBook to continued economic issues among Apple's professional consumers.</strong>
At 176,000 units sold, demand for the Power Mac G4 dropped year over year as well -- Apple moved 248,000 Power Mac G4s for the same quarter in 2001. Apple saw the release of new dual-processor Power Mac G4s this quarter, however, which may help to explain why sales were up 5 percent quarter-to-quarter.
iBook demand continued strong -- up 8 percent quarter to quarter to 182,000 units, but down year-to-year about 27 percent. Apple's iMac figures (which include the 17 inch CRT-equipped eMac system) show a sequential drop of 16 percent to 318,000 units, but a year over year improvement of 8 percent. <hr></blockquote>
Economic issues among professional customers???
What the F?
No, Mr. Fred Anderson...it's because #1, we "professionals" aren't going to buy outdated technology! 667...800 Mhz...C'mon Apple! Your PowerMacs are up to 1.2 GHz. Your low-end PowerBook is almost half the speed. Secondly, why should we pay megabucks for something we "professionals" feel is outdated. Plain and simple...update the friggin thing...will ya? Geez <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>
wait, shipped by apple to the consumer by air or from the production line to apple by air? there's a big difference.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Air Freight. Meaning they drop crate-fulls of laptops onto planes, and fly them over here. If there are some bound for consumers, they'll split up the order after it arrives and those will ship separately from within the US.
<strong>what do you guys think about the mosr report from this week saying that new ibooks are coming really soon? it's been like pulling teeth to make a move and buy a portable now!</strong><hr></blockquote>
MacosRumors doesn't know anything. Never use them to determine your buying decisions. They are as clueless as the rest of us about new hardware and announcements.
The way I see it. Wait at least till The end of the first week of Nov (if you can). If no new Powerbooks come out then, buy the current TiBooks. They are no slouches. They will get the job done. *If* new Powerbooks come out a few weeks later, you can still sell your TiBook for a good price and spend a little more for the latest PB.
From Apple's Financial report it doesn't seem like they are selling that many TiBooks. So that means there are a lot of Tibooks sitting in warehouses, collecting dust. I don't think they will be releasing new Powerbooks due to this problem. Believe me I hope I am wrong. But it is just hard to think Apple will release new PB's and swallow the loss on the old ones. You would think they would at least lower the cost of the current TiBooks to clear out some space (those RAM/Power Couple deals don't count).
From reading this board and Macnn it seems there are a fair number of people waiting to buy new PB's. It may be in Apple's interest to add a third config to the PB line with a faster processor (933 or 1 GHz), bigger HD, and updated graphics (ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 64MB RAM). That way they sort of "refresh" the line but still sell the old models (at reduced cost). This would probably be good for both Apple and new PB buyers. Faster system bus, DDR, bluetooth are things I can wait for in the next evolution of the powerbook.
that's just my opinion though...
*still* hoping new PB's come out soon!
- trowa