Query failed: connection to localhost:9312 failed (errno=111, msg=Connection refused). When Will DVD-R Drives Go Beyond 4x? - Future Apple Hardware Discussions on AppleInsider Forums Toggle navigation All Forums Recent Posts Sign In When Will DVD-R Drives Go Beyond 4x? jared Posted: May 14, 2003 4:15PM in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014 Anyone have any insight? «12»Comments Reply 1 of 23 kane Posts: 392member May 14, 2003 4:57PM On a more important note. When will Apples Super Drives support DVD-RW not just DVD-R? Reply 2 of 23 endymion Posts: 375member May 14, 2003 6:52PM Quote:Originally posted by KANE On a more important note. When will Apples Super Drives support DVD-RW not just DVD-R? Super drives have always supported DVD-RW, you just can't use apple's disc burner software. Use Toast instead. Reply 3 of 23 dave k. Posts: 1,306member May 14, 2003 6:59PM Quote:Originally posted by Endymion Super drives have always supported DVD-RW, you just can't use apple's disc burner software. Use Toast instead. The Super Drives in the 12" and 17" Powerbooks do not support DVD-RW. It was disabled in the drive firmware for unknown reasons. Or so I am told.Thanks Reply 4 of 23 kurt Posts: 225member May 14, 2003 7:24PM No, never. They have reached their physical maximum. Any faster and the bits would start flying off the edge. It is hard enough keeping them on now. Why do you think they are all horizontial instead of vertical? Gravity would pull off the bits if you spun them like that. Reply 5 of 23 grecy Posts: 15member May 14, 2003 7:57PM I think the more important question is when will consumers be able to burn to Dual-Layer DVD's ?That's when I'll buy one.-Dan Reply 6 of 23 ast3r3x Posts: 5,012member May 14, 2003 8:00PM Quote:Originally posted by Grecy I think the more important question is when will consumers be able to burn to Dual-Layer DVD's ?That's when I'll buy one.-Dan VERY good question, for dubbing movies or 'time shifting' DVD2One meets all ur needstruth is i do just time shift alot, i have a DVD-RW and just put my DVD on there before i return it to blockbuster till i get another one Reply 7 of 23 hmurchison Posts: 12,341member May 14, 2003 8:47PM Honestly I don't ever see Dual Layer recording coming. The Tech alone to manufacture the discs would make it prohibitively expensive. Reply 8 of 23 ast3r3x Posts: 5,012member May 14, 2003 10:07PM Quote:Originally posted by hmurchison Honestly I don't ever see Dual Layer recording coming. The Tech alone to manufacture the discs would make it prohibitively expensive. well although you may be right, i'm not really sure that is something you can say with technology, because things are always becoming possible and realistic that there weren't beforei see what you mean, but who though we would be burnign CD's or DVD's back when they FIRST came out...it wasn't realistic then to burn themok i didn't make a strong point but its a good one that i am not communicating well, do u get what i'm saying? Reply 9 of 23 hmurchison Posts: 12,341member May 14, 2003 11:24PM Don't get me wrong I'd love to see Dual Layers but it'll take a brave company to try. All DVD Drives read the layers fine but recording is a whole new beast. But someone will undoubtedly try...we might see it if it's good enough to get out the Lab. Reply 10 of 23 bigc Posts: 1,224member May 15, 2003 12:00AM Isn't 4x DVD ~5.4 MB/s which is about 36x for a CD-R which is pretty fast already, but since CR-R will go up to 52x (so they say) maybe there is some room. Reply 11 of 23 grecy Posts: 15member May 15, 2003 12:24AM Of course we will be able to burn Dual-Layer disks one day.It's crazy to think anything else.As far back as I can think, how many people that have predicted what we won't be able to do in the computer industry have been correct? Not many I think.Every year I'm amazed what we can do. Back in the day when 1X CD-ROMs needed caddys because it was so difficult to hold the CD still and focus the lazer accurately. Now we're burning DVD's with ease !!!Sure the dual-layer blanks will be expensive when introduced, but so where 80min CD's.. let alone 99s.What about DVD-recorders for your TV? In two years I've watched them go from 'not-possible' to around $10k to alot less than $3k.It's always possible, just a matter of time.-Dan Reply 12 of 23 nordstrodamus Posts: 828member May 15, 2003 2:50AM There was an article on slashdot not too long ago about how 16X drives should be here next year due to the development of more powerful lasers. By then, however, I'll probably be asking for 2x Blue laser discs. 30 Gigs per disc! Oh baby! Reply 13 of 23 dave k. Posts: 1,306member May 15, 2003 5:27AM Quote:Originally posted by Bigc Isn't 4x DVD ~5.4 MB/s which is about 36x for a CD-R which is pretty fast already, but since CR-R will go up to 52x (so they say) maybe there is some room. Isn't the reason why CD-RW drives are limited to 52X is because the media cannot handled speeds much past that (i.e., the media rips apart in the drive). I would think data transfer rates is a technological limitation that will only improve over time. I think we will see a 16/24/36X drive (or faster) in the future.ThanksDave Reply 14 of 23 strobe Posts: 369member May 15, 2003 6:24AM Perhaps a better question is when will optical drives not suck. Reply 15 of 23 eugene Posts: 8,254member May 15, 2003 6:30AM Not for a while, not until the DVR-107 for the Pioneers anyway. Pioneer plans an incremental update from 105-->106 for the Summer, with actual speed increases coming in late Winter. Reply 16 of 23 masker Posts: 451member May 15, 2003 8:03AM When I was shopping for my DVD drive I remember reading (in some DVD specific forum) a post by some guy who apparently was in the industry (maybe a Pioneer engineer) and a regular poster.I remember him posting something about 8X burners this fall.Sorry I'm so vague. When people asked about the incremental increase he stated something along the lines that the speed increases would develope very similarly to CD writing speeds. i.e. 4X . 8X> I think he even alluded to 6X being a possibility. Apparently the reason for this was all based on the laser limitations, he went into detail but i have since forgotten the reasons.MSKR Reply 17 of 23 jasonfj Posts: 547member May 15, 2003 9:17AM If 4x DVD is comparable to 36x CD-R, why is it they can actually only write CD's at 16x? \ Reply 18 of 23 compulov Posts: 6member May 15, 2003 11:41AM Quote:Originally posted by jasonfj If 4x DVD is comparable to 36x CD-R, why is it they can actually only write CD's at 16x? \ Because a DVD burner writing at 4x isn't spinning as fast as a CD writer at 36x. Remember, DVDs have a much higher density per track than CDs, so the disc can write more data at a lower speed. I would imagine that either the particular motors they use are rated for the slower rpm (to be more precise and reliable) and/or because of the extra hardware involved (extra set of read/write lasers) they don't want to tax the hardware as much. I would imagine as this stuff advances you'll start seeing DVD burners which can burn CDs much faster.-Leigh Reply 19 of 23 jasonfj Posts: 547member May 15, 2003 11:51AM in the meantime I just got a Plextor 52X CD burner... except in Toast it only gives me a max 40x - why is that? And is there a way to use it with Disc Burner in the Finder?I'm off to the Genius Bar... Reply 20 of 23 ponton Posts: 43member May 15, 2003 6:28PM I believe we will start to see some of the Blue Ray technology based recorders coming out this year. I believe the data versions will start at about 25 GB for single layer single sided, and eventually go to 100 GB dual layer dual sized. I don't suppose there should be any reason that the video version should not be able to do the same. «12» Sign In or Register to comment.