more importantly, in the wake of prior mp3 case histories of these parties,
is the Army pirating Metallica and depriving them of legitimate royalties for each CD they would have sold, or are soldiers using that Eeeevil Napster-thingy to "share" a single paid copy of songs with other units, for later illegal distribution to Iraqi hackers and bootleggers (and still violating copyright law through uncompensated "public performance", which is expressly forbidden)
where's Jack Valenti and the MPAA, where's the RIAA. where's the outrage?
Don't make us break out the Rick James retrospective!
The prisoner shifted in his seat, trying to avoid pain of the handcuffs---and grimaced--even he had heard of Rick James.
And it frightened him.
But before he could clear his features back to a stony gaze, his interrogator had noticed the reaction, and menacingly returned his loss of composure with a steely grin that conveyed a psychological checkmate.
Leaning in so close he could feel the prisoner's fear he taunted: So, perhaps we tell the truth now?
Now, for the last time---Where is Uday's Hustler collection!!
The prisoner shifted his gazed, turned and dropped head to one side. He was beaten---he began babbling like like an eight-year-old girl after a trip to the Barbie department at FAO Schwarz.
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I shudder to think....A chill wind is blowing my threadmates, a chill wind indeed.
but drop a single drop on someone's forhead every minute for an extended extended length of time and you have the thoroughly torturous torture known as the Chinese Water Torture. Very effective and inhumane . .
We all like music right?!?!?!
well, figure out the rest . .
Just cause Barney makes the story something to Laugh Out Loud about doesn't mean that it isn't real torture . . . and probably effective too
Chinese water torture also involves isolating the person from all other sensory experience for hours on end. If the US is blindfolding the prisoners, removing all human contact, otherwise disorienting them, denying them sustenance, and doing it for extended periods of time or repeatedly (come on, 45 of Barney will get you very agitated but it won't break you, not when they do it once anyway), then, yes, I would agree. What's the context? How long are we talking about? How often ? How loud? What else is going on around them?
Party lines are basically drawn at whatever each person wants to believe because we don't know any better, so why not assume?
Hey guys, on a 'serious' note, if Nancy Sinatra was good enough when Louis Freeh burnt 30 some kids alive in Waco it's good enough for me.
Of course those kids deserved what they got along with those freaky religius nuts that burned with them. Too bad it was budget time and somebody needed a Randy Weaver bullet-through-your-wife's-head-while-she's-holding-your-child show for a little more funding.
If CS gas indoors on an ethanol carrier is good enough for American infants a little Barney ought to be good enough for the Iraqis.
Fukk 'em---life is hard and then Janet Reno sends you back to Cuba.
To compare this type of torture (heavy metal ) to having a tazer shoved up your arse is a real joke...& one of the weakness's in utilising the UN definition of torture.
The American's are real woosies in comparison to other governments..
Maybe Anders should have a Tazer shoved up his arse as by way of an experiment to see if it less painful than listening to heavy metal.
And to quote anything from the Guardian is to virtually admit it is either a lie or a whopping exaggeration of the truth...
Well, I was waiting for somebody to finally say that!
Looks like SJO and friends may consider clicking on the 2nd page for alternative links when doing their routine Google searches using the phrase "ways the US has f*ck-dup on [add today's date here]".
The kind of torture you describe really gives me the creeps (on a very fundamental level). I get very squeamish even when I watch "depicted torture" in a TV show (couldn't even imagine how watered down that is from the real thing). It just bugs me to no end thinking about people out there who could even conceive and follow-through with such heinous things. I couldn't even hurt a cat w/o suffering incredible guilt.
"...the term 'torture' means any act by which severe pain or suffering?"
WMA definition:
?torture is defined as the deliberate, systematic or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering??
To quote from the Guardian article:
??a fearsome mix of Metallica and Barney the Dinosaur.?
While it might be very troubling, annoying, pressuring, and might induce some not accustomed to the stuff to suddenly provide ?intel? about things they never even knew existed, ?severe pain and suffering? or ?infliction of physical or mental suffering? it is not.
Quote:
Originally posted by BR
So you are one of those people that live in a world that is black and white.
No, I am one of those eccentrics living in a world that is of many different colours (and even various shades of these colours).
Quote:
Why can't both circumstances be torture of varying degrees? HMM??
Because green is not a circumstance of a varying degree of red.
Hmm!
[So, while torture is wrong, not all kinds of unpleasantness is torture, and while I might even be tempted to say it's less than judicious to subject those hapless Iraqis to some of the worse audible entretainement devised by Western civilisation, one must be the heir of way too many generations raised on already-sliced white bread to even consider that, a form of torture]
Sorry I lost my cool guys..but I get pissed off with smart arses....who get their rocks off provoking & antagonising just for the sake of a self congratulatory wank on the internet....\
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torture.
whatever.
Originally posted by alcimedes
welcome to the watering down of reality, and the victimhood of everyone.
torture.
whatever.
if you were forced to listen to barney 24/7 wouldnt you want some outside providence to come in and save you?
alternative "musicians" from Britney to MC Hammer on down might be more fingernailly on that particular blackboard
or they could be forced to watch Jerry Springer, FOX News, and Reality TV...
permanent brain damage ought to count as torture
the stock response to the cry "but you can't do that to them" will be...
"but we do it to ourselves all the time, and it hasn't lowered our IQ"
mmmkay... sure about that are we?
What happens when Tipper Gore gets hold of the actual US Government documents officially classifying Loud Metal as a Torture tool?
forget your wussy girlyman stickers for "Parental Warning: Explicit Lyrics",
now we'll get "Violates Geneva Convention: Extended Loud Use may be a War Crime " as a badge of counter-culture cool
is the Army pirating Metallica and depriving them of legitimate royalties for each CD they would have sold, or are soldiers using that Eeeevil Napster-thingy to "share" a single paid copy of songs with other units, for later illegal distribution to Iraqi hackers and bootleggers (and still violating copyright law through uncompensated "public performance", which is expressly forbidden)
where's Jack Valenti and the MPAA, where's the RIAA. where's the outrage?
is anyone in this thread actually at all serious about this being torture? i have a hard time picking up on sarcasm online.
Talk!!
Don't make us break out the Rick James retrospective!
The prisoner shifted in his seat, trying to avoid pain of the handcuffs---and grimaced--even he had heard of Rick James.
And it frightened him.
But before he could clear his features back to a stony gaze, his interrogator had noticed the reaction, and menacingly returned his loss of composure with a steely grin that conveyed a psychological checkmate.
Leaning in so close he could feel the prisoner's fear he taunted: So, perhaps we tell the truth now?
Now, for the last time---Where is Uday's Hustler collection!!
The prisoner shifted his gazed, turned and dropped head to one side. He was beaten---he began babbling like like an eight-year-old girl after a trip to the Barbie department at FAO Schwarz.
--------------
I shudder to think....A chill wind is blowing my threadmates, a chill wind indeed.
without it we would die.
And what's a few little drops?!?!?
certainly not torture . . . . .right?!?!?!?!
but drop a single drop on someone's forhead every minute for an extended extended length of time and you have the thoroughly torturous torture known as the Chinese Water Torture. Very effective and inhumane . .
We all like music right?!?!?!
well, figure out the rest . .
Just cause Barney makes the story something to Laugh Out Loud about doesn't mean that it isn't real torture . . . and probably effective too
Party lines are basically drawn at whatever each person wants to believe because we don't know any better, so why not assume?
Now I have to go stop my 2 1/2 year old from saying "movie? movie?" over and over and over again. Maybe I should report HIM to the UN.
Of course those kids deserved what they got along with those freaky religius nuts that burned with them. Too bad it was budget time and somebody needed a Randy Weaver bullet-through-your-wife's-head-while-she's-holding-your-child show for a little more funding.
If CS gas indoors on an ethanol carrier is good enough for American infants a little Barney ought to be good enough for the Iraqis.
Fukk 'em---life is hard and then Janet Reno sends you back to Cuba.
The American's are real woosies in comparison to other governments..
Maybe Anders should have a Tazer shoved up his arse as by way of an experiment to see if it less painful than listening to heavy metal.
And to quote anything from the Guardian is to virtually admit it is either a lie or a whopping exaggeration of the truth...
Looks like SJO and friends may consider clicking on the 2nd page for alternative links when doing their routine Google searches using the phrase "ways the US has f*ck-dup on [add today's date here]".
[B]Well, I was waiting for somebody to finally say that!
It's an absolute insult to people who have suffered terrible torture at the hands of Iraqi Bathe officials..
The Australian Refugee Aid Office is just two buildings away from my workspace.
Two of my closest friends are Psychologists who specialise in dealing with the effects of this type of real torture..
They deal with terrible stuff that makes me want to cry & scream with rage...I feel so powerless..
Anders should see the drawings that some of these tortured children made of having to watch as their parents having eyes & tongues removed....
That is the real face of torture & I pass by it every day....
I wonder how many tortured political refugees Anders sees in his daily life.?
Thats the trouble with Anders pontifications & name calling, he should really take a long hard look at himself.........
Originally posted by Anders the White
Okay I bothered finding it.
UN definition:
"...the term 'torture' means any act by which severe pain or suffering?"
WMA definition:
?torture is defined as the deliberate, systematic or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering??
To quote from the Guardian article:
??a fearsome mix of Metallica and Barney the Dinosaur.?
While it might be very troubling, annoying, pressuring, and might induce some not accustomed to the stuff to suddenly provide ?intel? about things they never even knew existed, ?severe pain and suffering? or ?infliction of physical or mental suffering? it is not.
Originally posted by BR
So you are one of those people that live in a world that is black and white.
No, I am one of those eccentrics living in a world that is of many different colours (and even various shades of these colours).
Why can't both circumstances be torture of varying degrees? HMM??
Because green is not a circumstance of a varying degree of red.
Hmm!
[So, while torture is wrong, not all kinds of unpleasantness is torture, and while I might even be tempted to say it's less than judicious to subject those hapless Iraqis to some of the worse audible entretainement devised by Western civilisation, one must be the heir of way too many generations raised on already-sliced white bread to even consider that, a form of torture]