Yeah, good one. And ThinkSecret has a link to the eWeek article, which is quite unusual for ThinkSecret.
If it is true that Nick helped pen the article, especially in a 'mainstrem' electronic news site, then it seems more and more likely that the rumors are indeed valid.
Yeah, good one. And ThinkSecret has a link to the eWeek article, which is quite unusual for ThinkSecret.
See my post above for additional evidence. The truth is out there.
BTW: I sincerely admire Nick's M.O. and reporting. He doesn't jump the gun like other rumor sites, writes well, keeps a low profile, has managed to hide his own identity until now, protects his sources, and, above all, has a most impressive track record of accuracy. Kudos.
That eweek article doesn't sound to good. I hope it's not true.
Oh and Junkyard dawg I'd have to say the US is being run by worse than just a cabal of monkeys...more like a cabal a snakes. Or panda bears....no that was clinton sorry.
I'm glad I bought this Tibook when I did. I would be waiting for months to get a G5 PowerBook. If the PowerMacs are not even going to be ready until july when 10.2.7 is done, I would hate to think how long it is going to be before we see G5 PowerBooks.
"The plant contracted for assembly of the new 15.4-inch Powerbook has just now begun manufacturing production Powerbooks with the PPC 970 processor."
The other quote I like:
"...overall performance approximately 1.25 to 1.5 times that of a similarly clocked G4 on non-Altivec optimized applications. On Altivec optimized tasks, these machines have as much as 2 to 2.5 times the through performance as a similarly clocked G4. Our understanding is that this performance is occurring using bone-stock OS X 10.2.6 on pre-production single processor PPC 970 machines... an OS with none of the optimization now being rumored as being needed for supporting the PPC 970's performance potential."
These are very specific pieces of info. He'll be either a rumor God or worse than MOSR in a few weeks-We'll see.
Our understanding is that this performance is occurring using bone-stock OS X 10.2.6 on pre-production single processor PPC 970 machines... an OS with none of the optimization now being rumored as being needed for supporting the PPC 970's performance potential."
These are very specific pieces of info. He'll be either a rumor God or worse than MOSR in a few weeks-We'll see.
Sounds great, but fishy. Would a PPC 970 box even run 10.2.6? Apple would have to introduce some under-the-hood changes to support the new motherboard.
Sounds great, but fishy. Would a PPC 970 box even run 10.2.6? Apple would have to introduce some under-the-hood changes to support the new motherboard.
The hardware support is just a kernel extension or patch which Apple's software guys can probably apply to any version of Jaguar since it will touch only specific areas of the OS. What do you think they test new hardware with before the official OS revision is produced for public consumption? We do things like this all the time -- for development purposes you hack in the changes so that you can test. Its only when being "released" to a wider audience that a new version number is called for and a proper build is done.
The hardware support is just a kernel extension or patch which Apple's software guys can probably apply to any version of Jaguar since it will touch only specific areas of the OS. What do you think they test new hardware with before the official OS revision is produced for public consumption? We do things like this all the time -- for development purposes you hack in the changes so that you can test. Its only when being "released" to a wider audience that a new version number is called for and a proper build is done.
Thanks for clearing that up -- makes complete sense, I guess.
I do find it interesting that SIMD performance is claimed to be 2?2.5x greater, considering that the 970 has an AltiVec unit more akin to the 7400's than the superior 7450's. Makes you think about just how bandwidth-starved the G4 really is for vector operations.
The G5 is Motorola. The past. Apple marketing may want to call the 970 the 'G5' but it isn't.
I'd still like to call it the '970'
Nice big number.
Yeah, a nice big number that means absolutely nothing. 970 as opposed to what, 870? It's an internal IBM code name that has absolutley ZERO marketing value. Carrying the engineering code name through as the actual retail product name is the brain dead domain of Wintel manufacturers.
"Hi, I'd like to buy a PC."
"Sure, would you like the HP a250y, or the Compaq S4000NX, or maybe a VAIO GRX700?"
AARRGGHHH
The number 970 is meaningless to everyone on the planet except the 112 Mac geeks that read rumor sites. It is a disaster for the general public.
Yes, G5 was the old Motorola chip that was cancelled. Yes, Motorola sucks ass. The only people with a bad association with the term G5 are those same 112 Mac geeks. The guy in the street couldn't care less.
The current Macs are G4s. The current PCs are P4s. The new Macs will be G5s. It's one louder. Joe six pack "gets it" in two seconds. End of story.
The number 970 is meaningless to everyone on the planet except the 112 Mac geeks that read rumor sites. It is a disaster for the general public.
Yes, G5 was the old Motorola chip that was cancelled. Yes, Motorola sucks ass. The only people with a bad association with the term G5 are those same 112 Mac geeks. The guy in the street couldn't care less.
The current Macs are G4s. The current PCs are P4s. The new Macs will be G5s. It's one louder. Joe six pack "gets it" in two seconds. End of story.
Hmm, I guess G5 it is...(Much to my disgust) but they really do need to 'sexify' the name... We need an add on bit at the end or something...
We've done Xtreme and all that, we need something more aggressive, more kick ass, something that will strike fear into the hearts of the general population, hell even into us, part of the '112 Brotherhood'...
Like Motorbikes.
Would the Honda CBR900RR be anything without it's moniker 'Fireblade'?
The Suzuki GSX1300R sounds crap, but if say 'Hayabusa'... Hmmm, it gets infinitely better.
Kawasaki ZX6-R, Hmm, lacking. Ninja! Muhahaha!
I could go on and on...
We need the Powermac G5 Type R, an STi... Something that will make grown men pale in fear... A situation befitting the new chip.
Something like the moniker 'EVO'!! and a new name for each model in the range...
I can see the advertising slogans now:
Powermac Evo 5 - Think Different? No. Think Evisceration!
Let us all shed our 'multi colour' iSoft image, and start to kick ass!!
Hmmm, actually, then again, maybe not. Got a bit carried away there...
Well, now, the byline for the Mac OS X forum is "The g5 is my preecioussss..." I love the newly accurate (presumably) front-page articles. But I love the little hints dropped here on the message boards even more. They're fun. And they're going to make the two-week wait easier on us. Keep it up, Brad! Thanks as well to the other mods and admins who are responsible for the creative and information drive behind this new campaign of hints.
To change into a different shape or form, especially one that is fantastic or bizarre."
Steve steps out, and says "I present something you have all been waiting for... The Powermac Evo 5. But hey, that doesn't describe it at all. Here at Infinite Loop, we like to call it 'The TRANSMOGRIFIER!!'
<Cue: AC/DC - Highway to Hell. Run video clip of of the machine running Maya and Photoshop, interspersed with pics of Pentium boxes spontaniously exploding, and Pentium guys in Silver suit getting mown down by a shock wave...>
.....
"Phil, come out here for this benchmark test, Whoa! don't stand too close to the machine, you know this thing can be vicious..."
.....
Hammer? Meh. Northwood? Meh. Prepare to be TRANSMOGRIFIED!!
<Explosion at the back of the stage, (Like the 1984 Commercial) and through the hole in the screen/stage emerges the TRANSMOGRIFIER!!>
.....
Best. Keynote.Ever.
Peace,
Marc
Note to self, when stuck at home ill, cut waayyy back on the coffee and Dayquil...
More on topic, I think that PowerMac G5--and PowerBook G5, of course--is a fine name for a PPC 970-based Mac. It's simple and shows a clear progression from the G4, which we've been stuck with for several years now.
There's no need for silly marketing people to make the name any longer or complicated. E.g., I can't stand AirPort Extreme. It's about as (un-) intelligent as "fast, new, automatic" [insert your favorite kitchen appliance here].
Comments
Originally posted by JLL
Hmm, Nick Ciarelli - is that the real name of Nick dePlume?
Rothenberg and dePlume have collaborated on articles before, and this is the second Ciarelli / Rothenberg article.
Yeah, good one. And ThinkSecret has a link to the eWeek article, which is quite unusual for ThinkSecret.
Originally posted by BRussell
Yeah, good one. And ThinkSecret has a link to the eWeek article, which is quite unusual for ThinkSecret.
If it is true that Nick helped pen the article, especially in a 'mainstrem' electronic news site, then it seems more and more likely that the rumors are indeed valid.
Originally posted by BRussell
Yeah, good one. And ThinkSecret has a link to the eWeek article, which is quite unusual for ThinkSecret.
See my post above for additional evidence. The truth is out there.
BTW: I sincerely admire Nick's M.O. and reporting. He doesn't jump the gun like other rumor sites, writes well, keeps a low profile, has managed to hide his own identity until now, protects his sources, and, above all, has a most impressive track record of accuracy. Kudos.
Escher
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3735
Oh and Junkyard dawg I'd have to say the US is being run by worse than just a cabal of monkeys...more like a cabal a snakes. Or panda bears....no that was clinton sorry.
Originally posted by Bigc
SlacJackWhispers says they're singles too, bummer, guess a couple month wait still for real machines.
That's a believable sounding rumour. The performance numbers are inline with what I'd expect, given what we know.
"The plant contracted for assembly of the new 15.4-inch Powerbook has just now begun manufacturing production Powerbooks with the PPC 970 processor."
The other quote I like:
"...overall performance approximately 1.25 to 1.5 times that of a similarly clocked G4 on non-Altivec optimized applications. On Altivec optimized tasks, these machines have as much as 2 to 2.5 times the through performance as a similarly clocked G4. Our understanding is that this performance is occurring using bone-stock OS X 10.2.6 on pre-production single processor PPC 970 machines... an OS with none of the optimization now being rumored as being needed for supporting the PPC 970's performance potential."
These are very specific pieces of info. He'll be either a rumor God or worse than MOSR in a few weeks-We'll see.
Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
According to Whispers:
Our understanding is that this performance is occurring using bone-stock OS X 10.2.6 on pre-production single processor PPC 970 machines... an OS with none of the optimization now being rumored as being needed for supporting the PPC 970's performance potential."
These are very specific pieces of info. He'll be either a rumor God or worse than MOSR in a few weeks-We'll see.
Sounds great, but fishy. Would a PPC 970 box even run 10.2.6? Apple would have to introduce some under-the-hood changes to support the new motherboard.
Originally posted by Daver
Sounds great, but fishy. Would a PPC 970 box even run 10.2.6? Apple would have to introduce some under-the-hood changes to support the new motherboard.
The hardware support is just a kernel extension or patch which Apple's software guys can probably apply to any version of Jaguar since it will touch only specific areas of the OS. What do you think they test new hardware with before the official OS revision is produced for public consumption? We do things like this all the time -- for development purposes you hack in the changes so that you can test. Its only when being "released" to a wider audience that a new version number is called for and a proper build is done.
Originally posted by Programmer
The hardware support is just a kernel extension or patch which Apple's software guys can probably apply to any version of Jaguar since it will touch only specific areas of the OS. What do you think they test new hardware with before the official OS revision is produced for public consumption? We do things like this all the time -- for development purposes you hack in the changes so that you can test. Its only when being "released" to a wider audience that a new version number is called for and a proper build is done.
Thanks for clearing that up -- makes complete sense, I guess.
I do find it interesting that SIMD performance is claimed to be 2?2.5x greater, considering that the 970 has an AltiVec unit more akin to the 7400's than the superior 7450's. Makes you think about just how bandwidth-starved the G4 really is for vector operations.
Originally posted by job
Why I won't call the 970, the 'G5.'
The G5 is Motorola. The past. Apple marketing may want to call the 970 the 'G5' but it isn't.
I'd still like to call it the '970'
Nice big number.
Yeah, a nice big number that means absolutely nothing. 970 as opposed to what, 870? It's an internal IBM code name that has absolutley ZERO marketing value. Carrying the engineering code name through as the actual retail product name is the brain dead domain of Wintel manufacturers.
"Hi, I'd like to buy a PC."
"Sure, would you like the HP a250y, or the Compaq S4000NX, or maybe a VAIO GRX700?"
AARRGGHHH
The number 970 is meaningless to everyone on the planet except the 112 Mac geeks that read rumor sites. It is a disaster for the general public.
Yes, G5 was the old Motorola chip that was cancelled. Yes, Motorola sucks ass. The only people with a bad association with the term G5 are those same 112 Mac geeks. The guy in the street couldn't care less.
The current Macs are G4s. The current PCs are P4s. The new Macs will be G5s. It's one louder. Joe six pack "gets it" in two seconds. End of story.
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
The number 970 is meaningless to everyone on the planet except the 112 Mac geeks that read rumor sites. It is a disaster for the general public.
Yes, G5 was the old Motorola chip that was cancelled. Yes, Motorola sucks ass. The only people with a bad association with the term G5 are those same 112 Mac geeks. The guy in the street couldn't care less.
The current Macs are G4s. The current PCs are P4s. The new Macs will be G5s. It's one louder. Joe six pack "gets it" in two seconds. End of story.
Hmm, I guess G5 it is...(Much to my disgust) but they really do need to 'sexify' the name... We need an add on bit at the end or something...
We've done Xtreme and all that, we need something more aggressive, more kick ass, something that will strike fear into the hearts of the general population, hell even into us, part of the '112 Brotherhood'...
Like Motorbikes.
Would the Honda CBR900RR be anything without it's moniker 'Fireblade'?
The Suzuki GSX1300R sounds crap, but if say 'Hayabusa'... Hmmm, it gets infinitely better.
Kawasaki ZX6-R, Hmm, lacking. Ninja! Muhahaha!
I could go on and on...
We need the Powermac G5 Type R, an STi... Something that will make grown men pale in fear... A situation befitting the new chip.
Something like the moniker 'EVO'!! and a new name for each model in the range...
I can see the advertising slogans now:
Powermac Evo 5 - Think Different? No. Think Evisceration!
Let us all shed our 'multi colour' iSoft image, and start to kick ass!!
Hmmm, actually, then again, maybe not. Got a bit carried away there...
Peace,
Marc
Powermac XG9000i DISINTIGRATOR
Powermac W8800 TRANSMORGIFIER
Powermac X777Pi CIPHER
Powermac RDF300ts EVENT HORIZON
Heh, this is harder than it looks.
There is a killer buzzword!
Powermac G5 "KILLER OF FASCIST-PIGS"
Powermac G5 "SHIVA THE DESTROYER"
Powermac G5 "THE CONVICTED ASS-RAPER"
Escher
I favour JYD's Powermac Evo 5 'FQ' - The TRANSMOGRIFIER'. It has a certain 'style'...
It would be an awesome intro WWDC speech too, I can see it now:
"Steve: Oh and one more thing..."
....
The word TRANSMOGRIFICATION appears on the large screen behind Steve, with the following definition...
<Cue: Dimmed lighting, clap of thunder, Mozart, Dry Ice.>
"trans·mog·ri·fy Pronunciation Key__(trns-mgr-f, trnz-)
tr.v. trans·mog·ri·fied, trans·mog·ri·fy·ing, trans·mog·ri·fies
To change into a different shape or form, especially one that is fantastic or bizarre."
Steve steps out, and says "I present something you have all been waiting for... The Powermac Evo 5. But hey, that doesn't describe it at all. Here at Infinite Loop, we like to call it 'The TRANSMOGRIFIER!!'
<Cue: AC/DC - Highway to Hell. Run video clip of of the machine running Maya and Photoshop, interspersed with pics of Pentium boxes spontaniously exploding, and Pentium guys in Silver suit getting mown down by a shock wave...>
.....
"Phil, come out here for this benchmark test, Whoa! don't stand too close to the machine, you know this thing can be vicious..."
.....
Hammer? Meh. Northwood? Meh. Prepare to be TRANSMOGRIFIED!!
<Explosion at the back of the stage, (Like the 1984 Commercial) and through the hole in the screen/stage emerges the TRANSMOGRIFIER!!>
.....
Best. Keynote.Ever.
Peace,
Marc
Note to self, when stuck at home ill, cut waayyy back on the coffee and Dayquil...
There's no need for silly marketing people to make the name any longer or complicated. E.g., I can't stand AirPort Extreme. It's about as (un-) intelligent as "fast, new, automatic" [insert your favorite kitchen appliance here].
Escher