And Apple doesn't want to whore themselves to the point of releasing a box stripped down to this point. Dell doesn't mind. Good for Dell. If Apple releases Dell crap, then they are no better than them.
I'm not to do a spec for spec bake-off until after Monday when the specs are relaesed, but I guarantee that a you can find every price point occupied by Apple to get whipped by it's price point counterpart in PCland by 20, 50 or even 100% in terms of dollars.
Then his ability to translate thought into English sucks... because that's not what he said.
If product A beats product B in price 'by 20%', then you'd *expect* product A's price to be 100-20 = 80% of B's. 20% less.
If, however, product B is 20% more than product A's price, then A costs 83.3% of B. 16.6% less.
Basic math.
And I'd *still* love for him to find a *similarly spec'd* Wintel box for even 50% of the price of one of the new boxes. Seriously. Fully decked out, feature for feature, performance being equal... *NOT* clock speed, but actual honest to god performance, taking into consideration mobo bus, RAM speed, the whole shebang.
Pointing at a $699 box that doesn't even match the *eMac* for performance is just idiotic. Come on... a 2.2GHz *Celeron*? I don't buy it.
Alienware's Grey system (after upgrading to a combo drive) is pretty much on in feature parity. You can't add as much RAM, but it has a much better video card and more base RAM than what we're likely to see in the "Fast" model G5. It's $1467 base, and then a $100 AMD rebate takes it down to $1367.
I'm not promoting it or anything, I don't own an Alienware computer, but I've heard they're built very well and they seem to have come from humble beginnings.
Buy a new PM G5 and an LCD and receive a $200 rebate. I'd hope something like this comes to pass and I don't see it as too unreasonable. We'll see.
I think thats a little to hopeful buddy. If you put the g5 at that price point where do u put the high end iMac that is 600mhz slower than the slowest powermac. Where do you put the eMac? Now where the heck do you put the ibook?
Either way if they maintain the current price point it will still be interesting to see how the other products will be priced. I think we will clearly see apple agressively priceing all of there machines.
The more i consider a lower price, the more it makes sense. The 970 is rumored to be less expensive to manufacture than the G4. IBM supposedly helped in much of the main controller R&D. And with the economy the way it is it would be prudent to keep the prices as they are. Maybe lower them as time passed.
I think thats a little to hopeful buddy. If you put the g5 at that price point where do u put the high end iMac that is 600mhz slower than the slowest powermac.
Someone in another thread said that their university store was clearing out the 17" superdrive iMac for $1349. I'd say it could be put at $1399 for the regular consumer...that's getting a little closer to the iMac's original price. LCD's aren't too expensive anymore, so it could be done I think.
PowerMac G5 + 17" = $1648
iMac 17" = $1399
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Where do you put the eMac? Now where the heck do you put the ibook?
Same $799 price...they're not even close price-wise...$850 less??
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ibook?
The iBook's a portable and it's already at $1299 for the top end 12" model. Apple can't continue balancing out its product matrix by fixing the prices on one product too high as to not eclipse another. If they're having too much trouble keeping the iMac or iBook up to date, maybe it's time to reconsider making them at all.
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I think we will clearly see apple agressively priceing all of there machines.
Here is a Dell with sort of the same specs for $2700:
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All the Dells look cheap but when you actually try to configure one the price quickly goes up.
Those specs would be about equal to the Dual G5 which will more than likely be priced higher than $2700. There's no way a single 1.6ghz G5 ~ P4 3ghz. Unless that Ars article is completely wrong..
Alienware's Grey system (after upgrading to a combo drive) is pretty much on in feature parity. You can't add as much RAM, but it has a much better video card and more base RAM than what we're likely to see in the "Fast" model G5. It's $1467 base, and then a $100 AMD rebate takes it down to $1367.
I'm not promoting it or anything, I don't own an Alienware computer, but I've heard they're built very well and they seem to have come from humble beginnings.
Optical audio? Only on the Deluxe version of the mobo, it seems.
100bT Enet, not Gigabit.
Etc, etc, etc.
It looks like you have to move up to the Area-51 before you start getting into the same basic mobo level features that the lowest level PMG5 is expected to have... for $2099. Versus what, $1599 for the PMG5? Less maybe?
Those specs would be about equal to the Dual G5 which will more than likely be priced higher than $2700. There's no way a single 1.6ghz G5 ~ P4 3ghz. Unless that Ars article is completely wrong..
Naw, a 1.6G5 should be about the same as a 2-2.4GHz P4.
A 1.8GHz G5 should be competitive with a 3GHz P4 in some areas, and a 2GHz G5 should be *definitely* in the same ballpark, far better in some areas, perhaps a bit less in others. Time will tell.
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I'm not to do a spec for spec bake-off until after Monday when the specs are relaesed, but I guarantee that a you can find every price point occupied by Apple to get whipped by it's price point counterpart in PCland by 20, 50 or even 100% in terms of dollars.
Money talks, etc.....
*ROTFLMAO*
Okay, you go find me an equivalent *any* machine from Apple, from a Wintel manufacturer, for free.
Jeez mon, it's basic math for god's sake.
Faster - 1799
Fastest - 2499
17" LCD - $549
20" LCD - $1299
23" LCD - $1999
Buy a new PM G5 and an LCD and receive a $200 rebate. I'd hope something like this comes to pass and I don't see it as too unreasonable. We'll see.
If product A beats product B in price 'by 20%', then you'd *expect* product A's price to be 100-20 = 80% of B's. 20% less.
If, however, product B is 20% more than product A's price, then A costs 83.3% of B. 16.6% less.
Basic math.
And I'd *still* love for him to find a *similarly spec'd* Wintel box for even 50% of the price of one of the new boxes. Seriously. Fully decked out, feature for feature, performance being equal... *NOT* clock speed, but actual honest to god performance, taking into consideration mobo bus, RAM speed, the whole shebang.
Pointing at a $699 box that doesn't even match the *eMac* for performance is just idiotic. Come on... a 2.2GHz *Celeron*? I don't buy it.
I'm not promoting it or anything, I don't own an Alienware computer, but I've heard they're built very well and they seem to have come from humble beginnings.
Originally posted by Gakusei
Fast - 1299
Faster - 1799
Fastest - 2499
17" LCD - $549
20" LCD - $1299
23" LCD - $1999
Buy a new PM G5 and an LCD and receive a $200 rebate. I'd hope something like this comes to pass and I don't see it as too unreasonable. We'll see.
I think thats a little to hopeful buddy. If you put the g5 at that price point where do u put the high end iMac that is 600mhz slower than the slowest powermac. Where do you put the eMac? Now where the heck do you put the ibook?
Either way if they maintain the current price point it will still be interesting to see how the other products will be priced. I think we will clearly see apple agressively priceing all of there machines.
Dell Dimension XPS
3 Gzh P4 with 800 Mzh bus
1024 mb DDR ram at 400 mhz (free upgrade)
128 DDR Radeo 9800 Pro graphics card (180 less for regular 9800)
120 gig Serial ATA hard drive
4x DVD+RW/+R
Gigabit Ethernet
no monitor
Windows XP Pro
Microsoft Plus DME
Dell Jukebox Plus
Dell Movie Studio
Dell Picture Studio, Image Expert Premium
All the software stuff is extra but it seems reasonable to compare this with the iLife stuff.
I think this computer has firewire but I am not sure.
All the Dells look cheap but when you actually try to configure one the price quickly goes up.
Originally posted by O and A
I think thats a little to hopeful buddy. If you put the g5 at that price point where do u put the high end iMac that is 600mhz slower than the slowest powermac.
Someone in another thread said that their university store was clearing out the 17" superdrive iMac for $1349. I'd say it could be put at $1399 for the regular consumer...that's getting a little closer to the iMac's original price. LCD's aren't too expensive anymore, so it could be done I think.
PowerMac G5 + 17" = $1648
iMac 17" = $1399
Where do you put the eMac? Now where the heck do you put the ibook?
Same $799 price...they're not even close price-wise...$850 less??
ibook?
The iBook's a portable and it's already at $1299 for the top end 12" model. Apple can't continue balancing out its product matrix by fixing the prices on one product too high as to not eclipse another. If they're having too much trouble keeping the iMac or iBook up to date, maybe it's time to reconsider making them at all.
I think we will clearly see apple agressively priceing all of there machines.
I hope so.
Originally posted by jante99
Here is a Dell with sort of the same specs for $2700:
<snip>
All the Dells look cheap but when you actually try to configure one the price quickly goes up.
Those specs would be about equal to the Dual G5 which will more than likely be priced higher than $2700. There's no way a single 1.6ghz G5 ~ P4 3ghz. Unless that Ars article is completely wrong..
Originally posted by Gakusei
Alienware's Grey system (after upgrading to a combo drive) is pretty much on in feature parity. You can't add as much RAM, but it has a much better video card and more base RAM than what we're likely to see in the "Fast" model G5. It's $1467 base, and then a $100 AMD rebate takes it down to $1367.
I'm not promoting it or anything, I don't own an Alienware computer, but I've heard they're built very well and they seem to have come from humble beginnings.
Nice, but...
Where's the bus speed info on the mobo? (Ah, here: http://www.alienware.com/Configurato...x?ItemId=11153) 400/333MHz?!? Oh man.
It's ATA-133, not Serial ATA.
Optical audio? Only on the Deluxe version of the mobo, it seems.
100bT Enet, not Gigabit.
Etc, etc, etc.
It looks like you have to move up to the Area-51 before you start getting into the same basic mobo level features that the lowest level PMG5 is expected to have... for $2099. Versus what, $1599 for the PMG5? Less maybe?
It's going to be interesting.
Originally posted by Gakusei
Those specs would be about equal to the Dual G5 which will more than likely be priced higher than $2700. There's no way a single 1.6ghz G5 ~ P4 3ghz. Unless that Ars article is completely wrong..
Naw, a 1.6G5 should be about the same as a 2-2.4GHz P4.
A 1.8GHz G5 should be competitive with a 3GHz P4 in some areas, and a 2GHz G5 should be *definitely* in the same ballpark, far better in some areas, perhaps a bit less in others. Time will tell.
Originally posted by Kickaha
**100%**??
*ROTFLMAO*
Okay, you go find me an equivalent *any* machine from Apple, from a Wintel manufacturer, for free.
Jeez mon, it's basic math for god's sake.
Apple machine costs x
PC costs 1/2 x
ergo, the Apple machine is 100% more expensive than the PC
don't be a twit