Oh great googly moogly. How can anyone complain about the price of these machines.
These aren't consumer machines. The price performance on these machines is outstanding.
The single greatest problem I see for Apple now is the price of the high end iMac @ $1799. It does have an LCD screen and superdrive, but still has the G4. For my money, the low end tower with a CRT will be the much better buy. We'll see what MacWorld CreativePro brings and I'll still be getting a computer in August September.
Sure, the G5 chips are technically less expensive than the G4's,
I keep hearing this repeated, but I've yet to find a credible source that states the G5 chips are cheaper than similarly high-end G4 chips (and no, MacWhispers is not credible).
Anyone? Anyone?
Regardless, you are getting a positively monster system for the money here.
sorry but, you have a machine that is cutting edge and is fast as hell...and will soon have an operating system that rocks, not to mention the nice features this comptuer has and your complaining about the price of these awesome machines...weeners
This is one of the most advanced computers ever, and it's only running a couple hundred dollars more than current Towers. You babies need to put things in perspective. Hell, the top G5 tower costs less than my 15" Powerbook cost me only 19 months ago. Shut the hell up.
The best way to prove your point to someone is to attack them, if you go by this thread.
For what the computers are, they are decently priced. Apple was stingy on the RAM is the only thing that jumps out a me.
The main problem is that this completely fragments the product matrix. Consumers can't buy a tower for the most part, because they're priced for pros. So if you're a consumer, you have your choice of the eMac or iMac, both of which are way outdated. I can buy a 2.5ghz P4 with 512mb ram and an 80gb HD for $729. This also allows me the freedom to pick out a big CRT or a decent 3rd party LCD that I can keep forever and ever. Not to mention that the chip obviously outperforms any available config of the i/eMac.
I never expected Apple to update their product line in 1 day, but with the new school year approaching fast, they better hurry or else they're going to have another lackluster 2nd half from the consumer perspective. Given that the towers aren't shipping until September 1, I'd say a competitive consumer machine is a year off. All in all, I want to give Apple my money, but I can't just yet. Unfortunate since I need something really soon.
I never expected Apple to update their product line in 1 day, but with the new school year approaching fast, they better hurry or else they're going to have another lackluster 2nd half from the consumer perspective. Given that the towers aren't shipping until September 1, I'd say a competitive consumer machine is a year off. All in all, I want to give Apple my money, but I can't just yet. Unfortunate since I need something really soon.
Maybe they're gunning for the Christmas dollars from consumers rather than the back to school ones. I'd guess they'll have substantial upgrades to consumer units within 6 months, so let's relax and see.
I keep hearing this repeated, but I've yet to find a credible source that states the G5 chips are cheaper than similarly high-end G4 chips (and no, MacWhispers is not credible).
Anyone? Anyone?
Regardless, you are getting a positively monster system for the money here.
Nope it was just MacWhispers who kept touting cheaper G5 chips. In the exact same thread at MacRumors, the MacWhispers guy also trashed every rumor site out there as utter bs while touting his own rumors as the only ones that made sense. I can't wait to see what excuses he comes up with this time.
Nope it was just MacWhispers who kept touting cheaper G5 chips. In the exact same thread at MacRumors, the MacWhispers guy also trashed every rumor site out there as utter bs while touting his own rumors as the only ones that made sense. I can't wait to see what excuses he comes up with this time.
Yeah, come to think of it, didn't MacWhispers get positively everything wrong?
MacBoudouille, too -- claiming the machines were in production in May, and would be shipping at WWDC, along with G5 powerbooks.
It's pretty clear that both of these web sites just made things up. In MacWhisper's case, as a vehicle for advertising his other businesses, MacMice, MacTable, et al.
Actually, why buy an iMac with a roughly 40% faster G4 powermac for 1299? Add cheap third party Superdrive/LCD and you have an iMac killer. Unfortunately Apple buried this bit of news and likely won't do much to promote it. They shoulda lopped another 100 bucks off it and/or bundled it with a 17" to get some switchers in the door.
I am not sure why Apple didn't increase the price of the high-end G5 to $3500 and lower the base model to $1600. Apple showed the comparison between its dual tower and the $4600 dollar dual tower from Dell. They still could have been $1000 dollars cheaper.
Through my school, I managed to configure a barebones 1.6 GHz G5 for $1619. No modem (no need), Combo drive, and educational discount.
Also, I can get a single 1.25 GHz G4 w/o modem for $1171. But that G5 would be a great deal, if I could actually afford it.
How did you do this? The same computer configured on my wife's education website is $1681 for the same system? Doesn't Apple price computers to students and teachers alike?
"I am not sure why Apple didn't increase the price of the high-end G5 to $3500 and lower the base model to $1600. Apple showed the comparison between its dual tower and the $4600 dollar dual tower from Dell. They still could have been $1000 dollars cheaper."
They are pullin out a big can of whoopass on Dell that's why.
Plus, Apple has been good lately at pricing the lower end a little high and pricing the upper end a little low. They want to tempt us to buy the upper end. They still probably have the most margin on the upper end 2 gig.
Through my school, I managed to configure a barebones 1.6 GHz G5 for $1619. No modem (no need), Combo drive, and educational discount.
Also, I can get a single 1.25 GHz G4 w/o modem for $1171. But that G5 would be a great deal, if I could actually afford it.
For me, with a G4 Sawtooth, the reality is, I can come darn close to the speed boost of the 1.25 for about $700 ($550 for the accelerator about $165 for Radeon 9000 vid card). Let's be real Panther is going to take a fast machine (I think 1 Ghz G4 for the new QT codec), and it's only going to get worse. SO $1200 bucks for a machine that's barely above the minimum system requirements now is a loosing deal. Now, there is no way for me to take my machine to G5 levels, but that price jump is tough to take. Myself what I will probably do is go cheap on the accelerator, get the vid card, for now.
Within a year Apple is going to hit 3 Ghz, pent up demand will be burnt off, and I'll probably be able to bring an even faster G5 (equipped, not stripped) home for >$1500. It's a free country and Apple has every right to charge what they want for a machine. But they will be waiting a lot longer for my money than if this machine was at the old G4 price points. That's just the way it is. Do I need a G5? No. But I'm not paying a new machine price for a G4. That's my right.
The high end dual looks to me to be the best value. The prices are about what I expected. Again, who would ever buy an iMac if the low end G5 came in close to an iMac?
Due to the Canadian $ getting stronger relative to the US $ in recent months, the low-end G5 costs $2,799 (exchange rate of 1.4). This is the same price as the 17" iMac and the previous low-end G4 custom configured with a Superdrive. So although the price of the G5 has gone up in US $ compared to the 17" iMac and the previous low-end G4 configured with a Superdrive, the price has not increased in Cdn $. Sweet!!!
Also, the low-end G5 is $700 more than the "new" 1.25 G4 w/ Superdrive and only $250 more than the "new" dual 1.25 G4 w/ Superdrive. Not a big savings for such an improvement in performance, in my opinion.
I am using a B&W G3/300 upgraded to a G4/600. I enjoy editing in iMovie and also like to play games such as Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament. All perform fine, so I have no need to upgrade. But I really want to make my videos into DVD's, so have been waiting to buy a Mac with Superdrive. I know have about $3,000 to do so.
Obviously I don't need a G5 to do these things, but when it's only a few hundred $ more than the G4, it seems silly to me to not get the G5.
Something I learned working as sales rep at Cutco: It's about the money you have and how much you want it. If you want it enough you will magically be able to pay for it. If you really want good knives you'll pay $2107 for them like a lady on my hill did yesterday. If you want a car you'll work years for it. So if you want it enough then get a good job and work for it chief.
I understand why the price is so high, they're trying to get the early adopters to pay for the high cost of developing that chipset.
That being said, I'm not moving on one until I can get a dual for $2000...if that takes a year, I'll sit on my hands that long. I don't like paying the early adopter tax on anything (except game consoles).
Hmm, lets see, new motherboard design, new I/O design, serial at drives(more expensive). more expensive memory, everything in this machine exccept for maybe the cpu and vid card costs more.
The dual 2 gig 970 is only a little more expensive than the dual 1.42 gig G4 was a week ago. That's in Sterling by the way.
Me? I'm astounded the dual 2 gig G5 is that cheap! For six times the overall performance of a 1 gig G4!!! More if you just counted the fpu score!!!
I won't comment on the other two models. But hey, you pay through the nose for a '3.2' gig Pentium 4 or a '3.6' gig Pentium 4 so the G5 in all its guises is 'fair game'.
I haven't been able to stop looking at the case. (It's on my Athlon desktop...) And I'm melting like butter. I don't see me lasting long past August. Though my suspicion is that now Apple have a capable partner...they may bump the G5 speed a little after shipping this Fall to coincide with Panther and to put the boot into the Opteron (heh...only 1.8 gig...heh...) and Prescott.
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These aren't consumer machines. The price performance on these machines is outstanding.
The single greatest problem I see for Apple now is the price of the high end iMac @ $1799. It does have an LCD screen and superdrive, but still has the G4. For my money, the low end tower with a CRT will be the much better buy. We'll see what MacWorld CreativePro brings and I'll still be getting a computer in August September.
$1,299
1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
$1,599
Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Originally posted by Placebo
Sure, the G5 chips are technically less expensive than the G4's,
I keep hearing this repeated, but I've yet to find a credible source that states the G5 chips are cheaper than similarly high-end G4 chips (and no, MacWhispers is not credible).
Anyone? Anyone?
Regardless, you are getting a positively monster system for the money here.
Originally posted by rickag
Oh great googly moogly. How can anyone complain about the price of these machines.
These aren't consumer machines. The price performance on these machines is outstanding.
Yep. Almost two years ago, I bought a DP/800 w/GeForce 3 for $3700 or so.
sorry but, you have a machine that is cutting edge and is fast as hell...and will soon have an operating system that rocks, not to mention the nice features this comptuer has and your complaining about the price of these awesome machines...weeners
For what the computers are, they are decently priced. Apple was stingy on the RAM is the only thing that jumps out a me.
The main problem is that this completely fragments the product matrix. Consumers can't buy a tower for the most part, because they're priced for pros. So if you're a consumer, you have your choice of the eMac or iMac, both of which are way outdated. I can buy a 2.5ghz P4 with 512mb ram and an 80gb HD for $729. This also allows me the freedom to pick out a big CRT or a decent 3rd party LCD that I can keep forever and ever
I never expected Apple to update their product line in 1 day, but with the new school year approaching fast, they better hurry or else they're going to have another lackluster 2nd half from the consumer perspective. Given that the towers aren't shipping until September 1, I'd say a competitive consumer machine is a year off. All in all, I want to give Apple my money, but I can't just yet. Unfortunate since I need something really soon.
Originally posted by Gakusei
I never expected Apple to update their product line in 1 day, but with the new school year approaching fast, they better hurry or else they're going to have another lackluster 2nd half from the consumer perspective. Given that the towers aren't shipping until September 1, I'd say a competitive consumer machine is a year off. All in all, I want to give Apple my money, but I can't just yet. Unfortunate since I need something really soon.
Maybe they're gunning for the Christmas dollars from consumers rather than the back to school ones. I'd guess they'll have substantial upgrades to consumer units within 6 months, so let's relax and see.
Also, I can get a single 1.25 GHz G4 w/o modem for $1171. But that G5 would be a great deal, if I could actually afford it.
Originally posted by moki
I keep hearing this repeated, but I've yet to find a credible source that states the G5 chips are cheaper than similarly high-end G4 chips (and no, MacWhispers is not credible).
Anyone? Anyone?
Regardless, you are getting a positively monster system for the money here.
Nope it was just MacWhispers who kept touting cheaper G5 chips. In the exact same thread at MacRumors, the MacWhispers guy also trashed every rumor site out there as utter bs while touting his own rumors as the only ones that made sense. I can't wait to see what excuses he comes up with this time.
Originally posted by Nebrie
Nope it was just MacWhispers who kept touting cheaper G5 chips. In the exact same thread at MacRumors, the MacWhispers guy also trashed every rumor site out there as utter bs while touting his own rumors as the only ones that made sense. I can't wait to see what excuses he comes up with this time.
Yeah, come to think of it, didn't MacWhispers get positively everything wrong?
MacBoudouille, too -- claiming the machines were in production in May, and would be shipping at WWDC, along with G5 powerbooks.
It's pretty clear that both of these web sites just made things up. In MacWhisper's case, as a vehicle for advertising his other businesses, MacMice, MacTable, et al.
Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Through my school, I managed to configure a barebones 1.6 GHz G5 for $1619. No modem (no need), Combo drive, and educational discount.
Also, I can get a single 1.25 GHz G4 w/o modem for $1171. But that G5 would be a great deal, if I could actually afford it.
How did you do this? The same computer configured on my wife's education website is $1681 for the same system? Doesn't Apple price computers to students and teachers alike?
They are pullin out a big can of whoopass on Dell that's why.
Plus, Apple has been good lately at pricing the lower end a little high and pricing the upper end a little low. They want to tempt us to buy the upper end. They still probably have the most margin on the upper end 2 gig.
Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Through my school, I managed to configure a barebones 1.6 GHz G5 for $1619. No modem (no need), Combo drive, and educational discount.
Also, I can get a single 1.25 GHz G4 w/o modem for $1171. But that G5 would be a great deal, if I could actually afford it.
For me, with a G4 Sawtooth, the reality is, I can come darn close to the speed boost of the 1.25 for about $700 ($550 for the accelerator about $165 for Radeon 9000 vid card). Let's be real Panther is going to take a fast machine (I think 1 Ghz G4 for the new QT codec), and it's only going to get worse. SO $1200 bucks for a machine that's barely above the minimum system requirements now is a loosing deal. Now, there is no way for me to take my machine to G5 levels, but that price jump is tough to take. Myself what I will probably do is go cheap on the accelerator, get the vid card, for now.
Within a year Apple is going to hit 3 Ghz, pent up demand will be burnt off, and I'll probably be able to bring an even faster G5 (equipped, not stripped) home for >$1500. It's a free country and Apple has every right to charge what they want for a machine. But they will be waiting a lot longer for my money than if this machine was at the old G4 price points. That's just the way it is. Do I need a G5? No. But I'm not paying a new machine price for a G4. That's my right.
Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
The high end dual looks to me to be the best value. The prices are about what I expected. Again, who would ever buy an iMac if the low end G5 came in close to an iMac?
Due to the Canadian $ getting stronger relative to the US $ in recent months, the low-end G5 costs $2,799 (exchange rate of 1.4). This is the same price as the 17" iMac and the previous low-end G4 custom configured with a Superdrive. So although the price of the G5 has gone up in US $ compared to the 17" iMac and the previous low-end G4 configured with a Superdrive, the price has not increased in Cdn $. Sweet!!!
Also, the low-end G5 is $700 more than the "new" 1.25 G4 w/ Superdrive and only $250 more than the "new" dual 1.25 G4 w/ Superdrive. Not a big savings for such an improvement in performance, in my opinion.
I am using a B&W G3/300 upgraded to a G4/600. I enjoy editing in iMovie and also like to play games such as Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament. All perform fine, so I have no need to upgrade. But I really want to make my videos into DVD's, so have been waiting to buy a Mac with Superdrive. I know have about $3,000 to do so.
Obviously I don't need a G5 to do these things, but when it's only a few hundred $ more than the G4, it seems silly to me to not get the G5.
That being said, I'm not moving on one until I can get a dual for $2000...if that takes a year, I'll sit on my hands that long. I don't like paying the early adopter tax on anything (except game consoles).
Hmm, lets see, new motherboard design, new I/O design, serial at drives(more expensive). more expensive memory, everything in this machine exccept for maybe the cpu and vid card costs more.
The dual 2 gig 970 is only a little more expensive than the dual 1.42 gig G4 was a week ago. That's in Sterling by the way.
Me? I'm astounded the dual 2 gig G5 is that cheap! For six times the overall performance of a 1 gig G4!!! More if you just counted the fpu score!!!
I won't comment on the other two models. But hey, you pay through the nose for a '3.2' gig Pentium 4 or a '3.6' gig Pentium 4 so the G5 in all its guises is 'fair game'.
I haven't been able to stop looking at the case. (It's on my Athlon desktop...) And I'm melting like butter. I don't see me lasting long past August. Though my suspicion is that now Apple have a capable partner...they may bump the G5 speed a little after shipping this Fall to coincide with Panther and to put the boot into the Opteron (heh...only 1.8 gig...heh...) and Prescott.
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