That is a REALLY shît mockup using a bit of Palm, a lot of Photoshop and no design sense whatsoever, taken from a rumour site with less credibility then Henry Kissinger.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, that's a picture from Sciences et Avenir magazine.
Could Apple make one product and supply 2 versions, one for CDMA and one for GSM? What about dual-band/tri-band (you'll seeing that my knowledge is a little weak in this area)?
We know that Apple have used one out of two of the agreed pieces of software with Pixo (for the iPod). Perhaps this is number 2?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple won't be making the radios for these devices. EG Sony Ericsson have standard reference platforms for which they swap out transceivers and antennae ... IF Apple do this, they'd go this route. The reason it doesn't make a huge difference is that either air interface will be used for sending IP data destined for their web servers, and Bluetooth which is independent of either. The killer stuff won't depend on network in other words, but on integration with the Wider Digital Hub (ie Mac + .Mac). The "band" issue is what I referred to when I mean trivial software ... GSM 900 v GSM 1800 is a software issue (the ariel works for both as the frequencies are multiples of each other) ...
If I was being really hubristic with fortune-telling abilities I'd expect them to produce two phones: one a dual band GSM for use everywhere in the world apart from the states, and one for use in the US to keep the costs down a bit ... "world" phones are wee bit more tricky.
Pixo developed their software to drive mobile phones. Fact. Their website used to lead with this, but they buried it a while ago. Could well be so, but I who knows. There may be better choices ... I wonder if they're a Symbian licensee ... ?
Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market. Therefore , GSM phone is most likely.
On the history page of the application, there is a note referring to the "expedition of application." I would assume that that means that Apple is anxious to get this thing rolling.
Yeah, so Apple puts out an iPhone. I live in New Zealand. Phones out here can cost up to NZ$1500. In the States I had three cellphones. I don't think I would want another one.
Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market. Therefore , GSM phone is most likely.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I, for once, am hereby a believer in this.
I reckon the work with Cingular in US means it's coming out there. But if they concentrate on one model.
Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market. Therefore , GSM phone is most likely.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yeah like Apple will really do something for us Europeans over their US customers...
yeah like Apple will really do something for us Europeans over their US customers...
we don't even get an Apple store!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know what, you're right. Not for technical reasons, but beaurocracy. The only drawback is getting a handset qualified for use on a network, especially with a data-oriented device. It takes a fairly lengthy procedure to make sure a device doesn't crash a network ... and then you have to get retail "ins" at the tied distributors.
US networks are actually more forward looking then the UK ones even if they've got dodgy networks as a group. Cingular v O2 is a particularly good example.
Apple UK are morons -- a second-rate marketing department without any executive clout or proaction. I just can't see them pushing this without SERIOUS buy in from Cupertino ... (Are you reading this? Good).
... who vaguely remember that they might have sold some computers in Europe once. Paris, I think. If there's one area where they're weak it's understanding (OK, caring about) the European market. And this device won't be on a UK network without some serious liason between Apple and the networks. Which they'll both screw up.
Gypsy Harald predicts: iPhone, Q1 next year, US only "in Europe later this year," cool as hell, and the first time (but not the last) that a US mobile product is more innovative then something from Asia or Europe.
Imagine if you put all the powerful "Sherlock like" web sevices into this phone? Lookup airline flight arrivals and departures? Look up maps? Look up movie locations and times? Convert French to English when you are at a Paris Cafe?
Instead of a stupid browser on a phone, what if its a true "iPhone". Wireless Web services (XML baby!) Light! Fast! Easy! Low Bandwidth! No Brainer!
Would anyone be interested in a 2 peice phone? Basically a small pocket device about 4-5cm x 8-9cm x 2cm that has a keypad and screen and a bluetooth one-piece headset with rechargable batteries in both?
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That is a REALLY shît mockup using a bit of Palm, a lot of Photoshop and no design sense whatsoever, taken from a rumour site with less credibility then Henry Kissinger.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, that's a picture from Sciences et Avenir magazine.
Have a nice day.
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No, that's a picture from Sciences et Avenir magazine.
Have a nice day.
Au contraire.
It is indeed an awfully, notoriously, bottomlessly shit mockup originally posted (I believe) on Spymac.
And thank Christ for that, because you're certainly right in describing it as 'gay'.
Good work. I wonder if other trademark databases from different countries are online...... hmmmm......
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Au contraire.
It is indeed an awfully, notoriously, bottomlessly shit mockup originally posted (I believe) on Spymac.
And thank Christ for that, because you're certainly right in describing it as 'gay'.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man, you guys gotta take all the piss outta everything, don't you... couldn't let me just have my fun...
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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so...
Could Apple make one product and supply 2 versions, one for CDMA and one for GSM? What about dual-band/tri-band (you'll seeing that my knowledge is a little weak in this area)?
We know that Apple have used one out of two of the agreed pieces of software with Pixo (for the iPod). Perhaps this is number 2?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple won't be making the radios for these devices. EG Sony Ericsson have standard reference platforms for which they swap out transceivers and antennae ... IF Apple do this, they'd go this route. The reason it doesn't make a huge difference is that either air interface will be used for sending IP data destined for their web servers, and Bluetooth which is independent of either. The killer stuff won't depend on network in other words, but on integration with the Wider Digital Hub (ie Mac + .Mac). The "band" issue is what I referred to when I mean trivial software ... GSM 900 v GSM 1800 is a software issue (the ariel works for both as the frequencies are multiples of each other) ...
If I was being really hubristic with fortune-telling abilities I'd expect them to produce two phones: one a dual band GSM for use everywhere in the world apart from the states, and one for use in the US to keep the costs down a bit ... "world" phones are wee bit more tricky.
Pixo developed their software to drive mobile phones. Fact. Their website used to lead with this, but they buried it a while ago. Could well be so, but I who knows. There may be better choices ... I wonder if they're a Symbian licensee ... ?
<a href="http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/cgi-bin/casablanca/cb_cgi?cb_dialogue=dlg_tmer85&detailsrequested=C&t rademark=E2901007" target="_blank">UK trademark</a>
Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market.
On the history page of the application, there is a note referring to the "expedition of application." I would assume that that means that Apple is anxious to get this thing rolling.
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TM Number 930990
Date Lodged : 22-OCT-02
Date Advertised :
Amendment Date : 22-OCT-02
Std Notice Nos : 2
Despatch Date : 24-OCT-02
Type : Expedition of Application
Amender : Margaret FAIRBROTHER
Approver : Margaret FAIRBROTHER
Reference :
Reason : APPLICANT'S REQUEST
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Hope Springs E-#$%@&!#ing-ternal.
Mandricard
AppleOutsider
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Man, you guys gotta take all the piss outta everything, don't you... couldn't let me just have my fun...
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry Luv.
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Sorry Luv.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
totally.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Yeah, so Apple puts out an iPhone. I live in New Zealand. Phones out here can cost up to NZ$1500. In the States I had three cellphones. I don't think I would want another one.
<strong>Hmmm. could be true. apple has also filed an application in the UK for Iphone. here is a link.
<a href="http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/cgi-bin/casablanca/cb_cgi?cb_dialogue=dlg_tmer85&detailsrequested=C&t rademark=E2901007" target="_blank">UK trademark</a>
Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market.
I, for once, am hereby a believer in this.
I reckon the work with Cingular in US means it's coming out there. But if they concentrate on one model.
<strong>Hmmm. could be true. apple has also filed an application in the UK for Iphone. here is a link.
<a href="http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/cgi-bin/casablanca/cb_cgi?cb_dialogue=dlg_tmer85&detailsrequested=C&t rademark=E2901007" target="_blank">UK trademark</a>
Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market.
yeah like Apple will really do something for us Europeans over their US customers...
we don't even get an Apple store!
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Really? What the hell is this?
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It looks like the kind of crap you might find on SpyMac. It's just as fake and ugly as all of their other mock-ups.
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yeah like Apple will really do something for us Europeans over their US customers...
we don't even get an Apple store!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know what, you're right. Not for technical reasons, but beaurocracy. The only drawback is getting a handset qualified for use on a network, especially with a data-oriented device. It takes a fairly lengthy procedure to make sure a device doesn't crash a network ... and then you have to get retail "ins" at the tied distributors.
US networks are actually more forward looking then the UK ones even if they've got dodgy networks as a group. Cingular v O2 is a particularly good example.
Apple UK are morons -- a second-rate marketing department without any executive clout or proaction. I just can't see them pushing this without SERIOUS buy in from Cupertino ... (Are you reading this? Good).
... who vaguely remember that they might have sold some computers in Europe once. Paris, I think. If there's one area where they're weak it's understanding (OK, caring about) the European market. And this device won't be on a UK network without some serious liason between Apple and the networks. Which they'll both screw up.
Gypsy Harald predicts: iPhone, Q1 next year, US only "in Europe later this year," cool as hell, and the first time (but not the last) that a US mobile product is more innovative then something from Asia or Europe.
But what do I know?
Of course if it's a video conferencing software that would be another story
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
<strong>Cell phone from Apple. Who the hell would one made by them? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Of course if it's a video conferencing software that would be another story
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Me. I'd buy one.
EDIT: Oh GOD you're right aren't you. Based on the gubbins in the TM application, it's more likely an iAPP isn't it?
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
<strong>Cell phone from Apple. Who the hell would one made by them? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Of course if it's a video conferencing software that would be another story
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
MP3 player from Apple. Who the hell would one made by them? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
What if this iPhone truly is an "iPhone"?
Imagine if you put all the powerful "Sherlock like" web sevices into this phone? Lookup airline flight arrivals and departures? Look up maps? Look up movie locations and times? Convert French to English when you are at a Paris Cafe?
Instead of a stupid browser on a phone, what if its a true "iPhone". Wireless Web services (XML baby!) Light! Fast! Easy! Low Bandwidth! No Brainer!
Would you buy a cell phone like that?
...is that its not a 'phone', its a 'device' which has phone like qualities. but also things we have not thought of.
so, its more of a messaging device
perhaps it even piggybacks on an iPod
<strong>my prediction (and its a total off the top of head one)...
...is that its not a 'phone', its a 'device' which has phone like qualities. but also things we have not thought of.
so, its more of a messaging device
perhaps it even piggybacks on an iPod</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm... yes, I agree. (thinking off the top of my head too) I think there are some we have not thought of too.
I don't think it is an attachment to the iPod. iPods have like 3 different sizes. (yes they are very very small dimensions differences, i know)