The iPhone - which might get a very different name when introduced - isn't a mobile phone; it's a phone connectivity service. As with so many recent Apple introductions, it is mostly relevant for the US, since that is where the cross-over points between Internet and local phonelines will be introduced. The widespread practice in the States of letting local phone calls be free is to a large extent what makes the idea interesting.
The network will have three major components: Mac-to-other computers, Mac-to-fixed phones (the call is sent via a locally stationed computer), and Mac-to-SMS. The latter is more relevant in Europe, but only the countries that already have such a (non-Mac) service will be eligible.
These services will be tied in with the .mac package. Needless to say, using relevant software (faxSTF, etc), one can send faxes.
The Mac-to-Mac part will include voicemail, VoIP, and videophoning; however, all these things will probably introduced in several packages.
And Apple just MIGHT introduce a VERY elegant headset module (ear-/microphones), using the upcoming standard Bluetooth integration in new Macs - as an extra, of course. Long-term, Apple is working on renewing voice-command/dictation services in the OS (still discussing whether to invest a MAJOR pile of cash on such a risky software development project, or go out and acquire the rights from someone like, say, Philips), and that also demands such a device, of course.
<strong>The iPhone - which might get a very different name when introduced - isn't a mobile phone; it's a phone connectivity service...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmm, not going to happen. If I put this information into Photoshop, and apply a basic reality filter, we see the likelihood is that iPhone is a crappy collaboration and video conferencing tool available only to .Mac subscribers, that will also only talk to other .Mac subscribers.
Hmm, not going to happen. If I put this information into Photoshop, and apply a basic reality filter, we see the likelihood is that iPhone is a crappy collaboration and video conferencing tool available only to .Mac subscribers, that will also only talk to other .Mac subscribers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats funny, I don't have a "reality" filter in my copy of Photoshop 7, but when I select "Render Difference Clouds" I get the same effect. Interesting.
<strong>There have been rumors over the years of these fantastical devices from Apple that would be so revolutionary, and yet not one has appeared. Mythical beasts, one and all.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, again I have to agree. This is only happening if there's a very clear set of design-chain candidates. This includes the device OS. It 'needs' to be as revolutionary as the iPod or less.
But actually, I think it IS possible.
For example (and I mean example):
OS = Symbian
Clever .Mac integration = an Apple java engineering team
Hardware = someone obvious but small; we need the HW clout of a P800
Marketing = Apple
Design = Johnny Ives
I've seen and used iCal / Address Book / Bluetooth / mobile integration myself ALREADY, and I've seen the little green light next to a received email in Mail meaning I can iChat with the sender ... this inter-app and inter-mobile stuff works already. And "Mac to Mobile" is vocally a part of the strategy, as is extending .Mac functionality.
The stuff I'm spouting is blue skies I will admit, and I'm certain not all of this would make it into 1.0 ...
... but again, do yourself a favour and write a two-line email to yourself the week before iPod was introduced, and think how "revolutionary" you would have found a description of am auto-syncing MP3 player that also sync'd with the as-yet non existent Address Book and iCal, looked like God's widget and was the size of packet of fags ...
Maybe I should add that one of the reasons for doing this is BRING DOWN data bills, as if you're in range of the computer you route as much as possible via iPhone --> Bluetooth --> Mac --> internet --> Mac --> Bluetooth --> your mate's mobile.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Isn't a plain old headset (wired, not bluetooth) combined with an IP-Phone Software providing this already?
Anyhow, Ericsson now sells their hardware to others, for example SonyEricsson. So it is theoretically possible for Apple to buy the platform for P800 and dress it in an Apple-suit... Which would make them a competitor to SonyEricsson, not likely after MWNY imho.
... but again, do yourself a favour and write a two-line email to yourself the week before iPod was introduced, and think how "revolutionary" you would have found a description of am auto-syncing MP3 player that also sync'd with the as-yet non existent Address Book and iCal, looked like God's widget and was the size of packet of fags ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Forgive me for spoiling the party but I don't think the iPod ever was/is revolutionary. It's just an MP3 Player with some sync capabilities. And the next iDevice well be no different in that regard. Useful at best but not revolutionary.
I don't think iPhone means iSync for Australian markets and others. Would you "sync" your iPod and Palm with your new "iPhone" software program? Doesn't make since.
iPhone is the next digital device. That's the most logical next step.
List of goods and servicestComputer hardware and software for providing integrated telephone communication with computerized global information networks.\tÂ*
Sounds like something you guys have been dreaming up in this thread already way back then. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>the stumbling block to me is the amount of different phone formats/networks out there. Apple can't hope to support them all.
But what if this iPhone was not really a phone as we know it, but more of a messaging device. Something like a HipTop?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think your right. Why not a redevouz enabled voice over internet program which integrates with address book like i-chat does. Maybe so I can replace the long distance racket that exists in the US. -shrugs- at least a thought.
Imagine, simple telephony which actually WORKS! New 'net meeting' type programs, new uses for the everyone's idle DSL connections. If I can touch an application, then talk into the bluetooth headset and reach out to touch someone. wow! Or if you don't want the headset, you can use your old mic or sound input device. Maybe the program could have an answering machine also!
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<strong>Yes, but at least the iPod is somewhat cool.
Have you seen the iPhone prototype? It's Southpark Gay.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The iPhone picture was eventually debunked after lengthy discussion. If you look closely you can see cropped elelements of Apple PR shots of earlier products like the pro speakers.
By Gay, you mean good? Or maybe you just look like an idiot?
I would be one of the first in line to buy an iPhone. I've had instant messenging, email, and web access on my phone for a few years now. Yet, its only been used about twice. Its just a pain in the ass. These features are currently worthless and could definately be improved to the point where people might actually use them.
Comments
Mostly gaming/ringtones/hello kitty stuff, probably.
It is Japan, after all...
The network will have three major components: Mac-to-other computers, Mac-to-fixed phones (the call is sent via a locally stationed computer), and Mac-to-SMS. The latter is more relevant in Europe, but only the countries that already have such a (non-Mac) service will be eligible.
These services will be tied in with the .mac package. Needless to say, using relevant software (faxSTF, etc), one can send faxes.
The Mac-to-Mac part will include voicemail, VoIP, and videophoning; however, all these things will probably introduced in several packages.
And Apple just MIGHT introduce a VERY elegant headset module (ear-/microphones), using the upcoming standard Bluetooth integration in new Macs - as an extra, of course. Long-term, Apple is working on renewing voice-command/dictation services in the OS (still discussing whether to invest a MAJOR pile of cash on such a risky software development project, or go out and acquire the rights from someone like, say, Philips), and that also demands such a device, of course.
But the stagnation looms large....
engpjp
<strong>The iPhone - which might get a very different name when introduced - isn't a mobile phone; it's a phone connectivity service...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmm, not going to happen. If I put this information into Photoshop, and apply a basic reality filter, we see the likelihood is that iPhone is a crappy collaboration and video conferencing tool available only to .Mac subscribers, that will also only talk to other .Mac subscribers.
<strong>
Hmm, not going to happen. If I put this information into Photoshop, and apply a basic reality filter, we see the likelihood is that iPhone is a crappy collaboration and video conferencing tool available only to .Mac subscribers, that will also only talk to other .Mac subscribers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats funny, I don't have a "reality" filter in my copy of Photoshop 7, but when I select "Render Difference Clouds" I get the same effect. Interesting.
<strong>There have been rumors over the years of these fantastical devices from Apple that would be so revolutionary, and yet not one has appeared. Mythical beasts, one and all.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, again I have to agree. This is only happening if there's a very clear set of design-chain candidates. This includes the device OS. It 'needs' to be as revolutionary as the iPod or less.
But actually, I think it IS possible.
For example (and I mean example):
OS = Symbian
Clever .Mac integration = an Apple java engineering team
Hardware = someone obvious but small; we need the HW clout of a P800
Marketing = Apple
Design = Johnny Ives
I've seen and used iCal / Address Book / Bluetooth / mobile integration myself ALREADY, and I've seen the little green light next to a received email in Mail meaning I can iChat with the sender ... this inter-app and inter-mobile stuff works already. And "Mac to Mobile" is vocally a part of the strategy, as is extending .Mac functionality.
The stuff I'm spouting is blue skies I will admit, and I'm certain not all of this would make it into 1.0 ...
... but again, do yourself a favour and write a two-line email to yourself the week before iPod was introduced, and think how "revolutionary" you would have found a description of am auto-syncing MP3 player that also sync'd with the as-yet non existent Address Book and iCal, looked like God's widget and was the size of packet of fags ...
<strong>
Maybe I should add that one of the reasons for doing this is BRING DOWN data bills, as if you're in range of the computer you route as much as possible via iPhone --> Bluetooth --> Mac --> internet --> Mac --> Bluetooth --> your mate's mobile.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Isn't a plain old headset (wired, not bluetooth) combined with an IP-Phone Software providing this already?
<strong>...looked like God's widget and was the size of packet of fags ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
The point of a BT headset is the 10 meter range.
Screed
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Anyhow, Ericsson now sells their hardware to others, for example SonyEricsson. So it is theoretically possible for Apple to buy the platform for P800 and dress it in an Apple-suit... Which would make them a competitor to SonyEricsson, not likely after MWNY imho.
<strong>Am I the only one thinking this might be iSync?
...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Screed
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</p>
<strong>
... but again, do yourself a favour and write a two-line email to yourself the week before iPod was introduced, and think how "revolutionary" you would have found a description of am auto-syncing MP3 player that also sync'd with the as-yet non existent Address Book and iCal, looked like God's widget and was the size of packet of fags ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Forgive me for spoiling the party but I don't think the iPod ever was/is revolutionary. It's just an MP3 Player with some sync capabilities. And the next iDevice well be no different in that regard. Useful at best but not revolutionary.
<strong>
Screed
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think iPhone means iSync for Australian markets and others. Would you "sync" your iPod and Palm with your new "iPhone" software program? Doesn't make since.
iPhone is the next digital device. That's the most logical next step.
<strong>
Screed
</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, meaning they decided to develop the application before naming it and trademarked several possible names.
Perhaps it's first intended use was syncing adressbook with phones?
If this isn't plausible, please tell me why.
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Interestingly enough Cisco Systems seems to have registered that exact same trademark on 14.04.1998 as you can see <a href="http://oami.eu.int/Search/Trademark/la/EN_TM_Detail.cfm?ID=000796268&CFID=1538792&CFTOKEN =12294086" target="_blank">here</a>.
with this description:
List of goods and services
Sounds like something you guys have been dreaming up in this thread already way back then. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Insanely great indeed.
Kroehl
OCT 2, 2001
Apple introduced the iPod on :
OCT 23, 2001
Hmmmm.... are we set for MWSF or what?
<strong>the stumbling block to me is the amount of different phone formats/networks out there. Apple can't hope to support them all.
But what if this iPhone was not really a phone as we know it, but more of a messaging device. Something like a HipTop?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think your right. Why not a redevouz enabled voice over internet program which integrates with address book like i-chat does. Maybe so I can replace the long distance racket that exists in the US. -shrugs- at least a thought.
Imagine, simple telephony which actually WORKS! New 'net meeting' type programs, new uses for the everyone's idle DSL connections. If I can touch an application, then talk into the bluetooth headset and reach out to touch someone. wow! Or if you don't want the headset, you can use your old mic or sound input device. Maybe the program could have an answering machine also!
[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Not Unlike Myself ]</p>
<strong>Yes, but at least the iPod is somewhat cool.
Have you seen the iPhone prototype? It's Southpark Gay.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The iPhone picture was eventually debunked after lengthy discussion. If you look closely you can see cropped elelements of Apple PR shots of earlier products like the pro speakers.
By Gay, you mean good? Or maybe you just look like an idiot?
I would be one of the first in line to buy an iPhone. I've had instant messenging, email, and web access on my phone for a few years now. Yet, its only been used about twice. Its just a pain in the ass. These features are currently worthless and could definately be improved to the point where people might actually use them.
Nortel Networks (NYSE:NT)(TSX:NT.) today announced the ability to provide
integrated solutions for wireless operators that will seamlessly link existing
and future Wireless Wide Area Networks (WWANs) with fast-emerging wireless
'hot spots,' also known as Wireless Local Area Networks (WLANs).
Nortel Networks integrated WWAN/ WLAN technology will give GSM, GPRS, UMTS
and CDMA wireless operators the opportunity to provide enterprises and
consumers with a single 'sign on' and seamless service between 2G/3G networks
and wireless hot spots. This solution will also give operators the capability
to provide consolidated billing, authentication and security without the need
to restructure existing network architectures.
This technology will help enable mobile workers
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DALLAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 3, 2002--
Expected to Be Industry's First Infrastructure Vendor to Tie
Emerging Hot Spots with Wireless Devices Operating on All Major
Wireless Access Technology Standards
Nortel Networks (NYSE:NT)(TSX:NT.) today announced the ability to provide
integrated solutions for wireless operators that will seamlessly link existing
and future Wireless Wide Area Networks (WWANs) with fast-emerging wireless
'hot spots,' also known as Wireless Local Area Networks (WLANs).
Nortel Networks integrated WWAN/ WLAN technology will give GSM, GPRS, UMTS
and CDMA wireless operators the opportunity to provide enterprises and
consumers with a single 'sign on' and seamless service between 2G/3G networks
and wireless hot spots. This solution will also give operators the capability
to provide consolidated billing, authentication and security without the need
to restructure existing network architectures.
This technology will help enable mobile workers to establish 'virtual
offices,' connect securely to corporate intranets, send and respond to
e-mails, access the Web, download files, and conduct business from virtually
any location. In addition, it will allow users to roam seamlessly between
wireless 2G/3G and WLAN networks with uninterrupted access to the same
Internet Protocol (IP) data services. The technology will also manage billing
information across networks so that end users can receive one consolidated
bill from their wireless operator.
"As part of our Wireless Data Networks strategy, Nortel Networks has
developed this comprehensive suite of solutions to allow wireless operators to
offer secure WLAN hotspot connectivity as an extension to their existing
wireless services," said Dave Murashige, vice president, strategic marketing,
Wireless Networks, Nortel Networks. "The WLAN strategy we are announcing today
demonstrates our commitment to helping operators create a mobile environment
that delivers users compelling content and data services from any location.
Our WLAN technology, coupled with our extensive experience in IP data
networking, will position operators to increase revenue potential and reduce
subscriber churn."
"Public access WLAN provides a good test bed for mobile data applications,
particularly those targeted at enterprise markets," said Jason Chapman, senior
analyst, Gartner. "With 3G mobile heavily relying on the take-up of data
services, it is not only in the interests of mobile operators but also of the
mobile infrastructure vendors to make sure that early data services are
successful, paving the way for 3G. Once mobile enterprise customers feel
security and pricing are not prohibitive, they will get used to, for example,
being able to pull out their laptops in a coffee shop and get access to
corporate data."
As part of its integrated WWAN/WLAN offering, Nortel Networks is working
with Mobility Network Systems, a leading supplier of carrier-class WLAN
solutions, to provide comprehensive solutions that will enable GSM, GPRS and
UMTS operators to integrate WLANs into their existing networks and service
platforms using SIM and RADIUS technology. In interoperability testing
conducted earlier this year, Mobility Networks ipRAN technology was
successfully integrated with Nortel Networks GSM, GPRS and UMTS core network
infrastructure and products, including Home Location Register (HLR) and Nortel
Networks Univity GPRS Gateway Serving Node (GGSN).
Nortel Networks CDMA technology will enable CDMA operators to provide WLAN
services to their customers using existing CDMA2000 core network equipment.
Nortel Networks is working in collaboration with Bridgewater Systems and
MetaSolv to support common authentication and billing between CDMA2000 and
Wi-Fi networks, enabling a single 'sign-on' for the customer and consolidated
billing information. CDMA operators can choose to deploy their own WLAN access
networks or act as a virtual network operator through WLAN access wholesalers
or aggregators.
Nortel Networks Univity GGSN/PDSN, based on Nortel Networks Shasta platform,
can provide a number of value-added benefits for wireless operators wanting to
integrate WLANs with WWANs. Univity GGSN/PDSN will allow operators to identify
and manage subscribers, control traffic flows, and deliver a richer set of IP
data services. It will also provide enhanced protection of subscriber data
with security features such as 'state-aware' firewalls and strong encryption
algorithms.
In addition, Nortel Networks integrated WWAN/WLAN technology will use
industry standard IPSec encryption technology to help reduce enterprise
security concerns. Nortel Networks Contivity solution can also be used to
provide encryption, authentication, firewalls and routing in a single, secure
switch, and stops unauthorized users from hacking into the network to gain
free access and/or steal confidential information.
(END) DOW JONES NEWS 12-03-02
09:07 AM
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