Did I read that correctly? Command-N now creates a new folder in the Panther Finder? That is damn good news if true, I must say.
no, i don't know what he was talking about, maybe the shortcuts pane in keyboard/mouse... but command N is still a new window in Panther last time i checked...
Did I read that correctly? Command-N now creates a new folder in the Panther Finder? That is damn good news if true, I must say.
No, I'm sorry if I confused you. With the new keyboards command pane of Mac OS X (see below), you can re-assign Menu commands or assign completely new commands to menu items that previously did not have a keyboard command. You can do this in any program. Anyways, I was trying this out, and frusterated because it didn't seem to work. After a restart, I was surprised when it unexpectedly snuck up on me So, command-n can create a new folder if you would like, or, if you would prefer, command-option-7 could, too :P
You think so? If the user can modify the standard keyboard short cuts, he's modifying a standard. Do I have to point out the repercussions of this? It's great to create your own keyboard shortcuts, sure, but modifying a standard invites one to go out of communication with the rest.
It's standard until the user decides to change it for themselves.
This is no different than installing some 3rd party hack, and far better I might add.
Macs are multi user. So each user will have their own environment which starts out using the default standard keyboard commands.
This is not the situation you are imagining in which user A gets up and walks away and User B sits down and now Command-I is now Shutdown.
Sure, in settings where the users are sufficiently stubborn about having one account running for many users, then it might be a problem.
But I don't want the Mac to be limited by such people.
God, let's not let standards rule over us tyrannically. They are guidelines. Starting points. From there the user MUST have freedom to customise and make things easier for them.
iPeon all I'm going to do is make Command N a new frickin folder like it's s'posed to! I make more folders than windows. I bet most other AIers are the same. Probably most Macs are going to start making new folders when you hit Cmd N. Macs are about customization baby! I read that you used Macs since the Lisa so you know this! And it's not like you couldn't do this with ResEdit, which wasn't much harder for seasoned users back in the day. I just said back in the day. Coooool.
You think so? If the user can modify the standard keyboard short cuts, he's modifying a standard. Do I have to point out the repercussions of this? It's great to create your own keyboard shortcuts, sure, but modifying a standard invites one to go out of communication with the rest.
Apple doesn't offer enough customizability! Waaaahhhhh!
Either way, I see what was being said now. By default the shortcuts haven't changed but you have free-wheeling access to pretty much change any shortcut for any app that you want. On a user by user basis. THAT is pretty cool.
At the place I work the owner of the company and I split 2D design duties and though we use the same apps we follow different workflows. This would allow me to not only set up the palettes and such much way, but also the keyboard shortcuts. The thing I wonder about is, what happens when two users have the same document to work on. Does one open the original and the second person open a copy?
How are syncing issues handled / having the same file open at the same time in different user sessions?
Dake K: Your questions as well as others have already been partially answered. Here's another quick reminder to everybody:
See page 3 and page 8 for a detailed list of screenshots.
Screenshots of printing are there. Screenshots of icon selection are there.
Thanks for the icon selection screenshot. I don't care about print dialog boxes. I am looking for info on the Print Center (which has not been addressed at all).
I don't care about print dialog boxes. I am looking for info on the Print Center (which has not been addressed at all).
They didn't give you links to print dialog boxes... Just go there and maybe you'll see that what was PrintCenter is now in a Print/Fax Peference pane...
Has anyone noticed if Panther is any better at keeping windows from popping up behind the dock, particularly in the Finder? For example, with the dock positioned on the left, Get Info windows always come up partially behind the dock, so I have to move the window to expand any of the tabs -- I find this very annoying. [If it's fixable in Jag, do let me in on the secret.]
They didn't give you links to print dialog boxes... Just go there and maybe you'll see that what was PrintCenter is now in a Print/Fax Peference pane...
Currently the Print and Fax prefpane opens Print Center when you want to manage printers. However it is a good thing that access to the print center is put in the System Prefs, making it more accessible to new users.
I don't have Panther running right now, so I can't double check any of this, but the Print Center is now divided into two parts. There's the Printer/Fax pane of the System Preferences, and there is the Printer Setup app that resembles the Print Center. I don't recall which do what, maybe someone else can fill you in more.
I've been trying to find a Panther screenshot that illustrates what happens when you double-click on a folder in icon/no-toolbar mode. I've seen many claims that the Panther finder works "just like Mac OS 9" in this mode, and that the "spatial Finder is back." But nobody in any forum or article has satisfactorily explained this.
To me, and I would think to other people, one of the founding principles of the spatial Finder is a one-to-one relationship between windows and folders. That means that when you double-click a folder, it doesn't just open a new window, it becomes the new window. The folder icon you clicked on is now grayed out, and only one window can represent its contents. That's the way it worked before Mac OS X. Since then, you've been able to have multiple windows showing the same folder's contents, which is cool in column view, but can get confusing, especially to beginning users, in basic icon view.
Here it is in Mac OS 9
Notice the grayed-out folder icons indicating that the window is already open.
Here it is in Jaguar
Notice how in Jaguar, I'm able to have two identical windows open for the Users folder, and the fact that there is no way to tell by looking at the folder icon that a window is already open displaying its contents.
I wonder if someone could post a screenshot showing how this works in Panther.
Hmm.. thanks. I just thought of a quartz effect for this. What if the folder flapped open when you double-clicked it, spitting its contents out genie-style into a new window? The folder in the background would remain visible, but with an open flap. Then, closing the window would suck the contents back into its host folder, and close the flap.
Ah, sounds more like a Longhorn animation, I guess...
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Originally posted by Moogs
Did I read that correctly? Command-N now creates a new folder in the Panther Finder? That is damn good news if true, I must say.
no, i don't know what he was talking about, maybe the shortcuts pane in keyboard/mouse... but command N is still a new window in Panther last time i checked...
Originally posted by Moogs
Did I read that correctly? Command-N now creates a new folder in the Panther Finder? That is damn good news if true, I must say.
No, I'm sorry if I confused you. With the new keyboards command pane of Mac OS X (see below), you can re-assign Menu commands or assign completely new commands to menu items that previously did not have a keyboard command. You can do this in any program. Anyways, I was trying this out, and frusterated because it didn't seem to work. After a restart, I was surprised when it unexpectedly snuck up on me
Originally posted by MacUsers
oh that is cool
You think so? If the user can modify the standard keyboard short cuts, he's modifying a standard. Do I have to point out the repercussions of this? It's great to create your own keyboard shortcuts, sure, but modifying a standard invites one to go out of communication with the rest.
This is no different than installing some 3rd party hack, and far better I might add.
Macs are multi user. So each user will have their own environment which starts out using the default standard keyboard commands.
This is not the situation you are imagining in which user A gets up and walks away and User B sits down and now Command-I is now Shutdown.
Sure, in settings where the users are sufficiently stubborn about having one account running for many users, then it might be a problem.
But I don't want the Mac to be limited by such people.
God, let's not let standards rule over us tyrannically. They are guidelines. Starting points. From there the user MUST have freedom to customise and make things easier for them.
Originally posted by iPeon
You think so? If the user can modify the standard keyboard short cuts, he's modifying a standard. Do I have to point out the repercussions of this? It's great to create your own keyboard shortcuts, sure, but modifying a standard invites one to go out of communication with the rest.
Apple doesn't offer enough customizability! Waaaahhhhh!
Apple offers too much customizability! Waaahhhh!
Personal Computer!
Barto
Apple doesn't offer enough customizability! Waaaahhhhh!
Apple offers too much customizability! Waaahhhh!
Personal Computer!
!
Lemon Bon Bon
Either way, I see what was being said now. By default the shortcuts haven't changed but you have free-wheeling access to pretty much change any shortcut for any app that you want. On a user by user basis. THAT is pretty cool.
At the place I work the owner of the company and I split 2D design duties and though we use the same apps we follow different workflows. This would allow me to not only set up the palettes and such much way, but also the keyboard shortcuts. The thing I wonder about is, what happens when two users have the same document to work on. Does one open the original and the second person open a copy?
How are syncing issues handled / having the same file open at the same time in different user sessions?
What changes are there in Print Center? Current Print Center just plain sucks. Any improvements?
Additionally,
When you select icon(s) in Panther do they actually appear to be selected. One of the worst GUI blunders of Jaguar.
Thanks
See page 3 and page 8 for a detailed list of screenshots.
Screenshots of printing are there. Screenshots of icon selection are there.
Originally posted by Brad
Dake K: Your questions as well as others have already been partially answered. Here's another quick reminder to everybody:
See page 3 and page 8 for a detailed list of screenshots.
Screenshots of printing are there. Screenshots of icon selection are there.
Thanks for the icon selection screenshot. I don't care about print dialog boxes. I am looking for info on the Print Center (which has not been addressed at all).
Thanks
Originally posted by Dave K.
I don't care about print dialog boxes. I am looking for info on the Print Center (which has not been addressed at all).
They didn't give you links to print dialog boxes... Just go there and maybe you'll see that what was PrintCenter is now in a Print/Fax Peference pane...
Originally posted by johnq
They didn't give you links to print dialog boxes... Just go there and maybe you'll see that what was PrintCenter is now in a Print/Fax Peference pane...
Currently the Print and Fax prefpane opens Print Center when you want to manage printers. However it is a good thing that access to the print center is put in the System Prefs, making it more accessible to new users.
To me, and I would think to other people, one of the founding principles of the spatial Finder is a one-to-one relationship between windows and folders. That means that when you double-click a folder, it doesn't just open a new window, it becomes the new window. The folder icon you clicked on is now grayed out, and only one window can represent its contents. That's the way it worked before Mac OS X. Since then, you've been able to have multiple windows showing the same folder's contents, which is cool in column view, but can get confusing, especially to beginning users, in basic icon view.
Here it is in Mac OS 9
Notice the grayed-out folder icons indicating that the window is already open.
Here it is in Jaguar
Notice how in Jaguar, I'm able to have two identical windows open for the Users folder, and the fact that there is no way to tell by looking at the folder icon that a window is already open displaying its contents.
I wonder if someone could post a screenshot showing how this works in Panther.
However, it is a true spatial Finder, not just the spartan Finder in Jaguar. You can only have one window for a folder open at a time etc.
Barto
Originally posted by Barto
Panther doesn't grey out open folder icons.
Hmm.. thanks. I just thought of a quartz effect for this. What if the folder flapped open when you double-clicked it, spitting its contents out genie-style into a new window? The folder in the background would remain visible, but with an open flap. Then, closing the window would suck the contents back into its host folder, and close the flap.
Ah, sounds more like a Longhorn animation, I guess...