Is the ability to view one folder's contents in many windows gone in Panther?
Wait, I -want- to be able to have several simultaneous views on the same folder if I want to. All you spacial Finder literalists/purists need to do is not open 2 folders pointing to the same content if it bothers you. You don't need to make my Finder limited and limit my workflow.
For instance I routinely have 2 windows open on the same folder. One in icon view so I can cluster files in little bunches and another window in list view sorted by date.
Quit trying to limit the Mac. Multiple views onto a given location is not a bad thing. If it's not in the original Macintosh Human Interface Guidlines, too bad. They were always meant to be guidelines that Apple can expand upon as they see fit. They have. And it is useful.
I wonder if someone could post a screenshot showing how this works in Panther.
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I was skeptical about this being changed in panther, but I just checked... when you hide the toolbars it does behave spatially... you can only have one window open for each folder... and after you open a folder it stays selected like OS 9 did, but the icon does not change... I would post screenshots, but I am having a bit of trouble with my iDisk and panther on one of my machines so I'd rather sort that out first... maybe brad?
oh and you can still see the same folder in more then one view... you just need to keep the toolbar toggled...
Good call johnq. I think was actually a good thing to dump from Classic. The greying out to show that folder IS OPEN though was nice. Same for running Applications. That should come back, maybe with some neato way of doing it. And Reid that's actually a cool idea, for QE enabled G4s that could handle it. I mean it sort of does that now, with windows scaling out of folders they're opening from. That would be a neat thing to put in Window Prefs. And yes again there should be an indication that file/folder/app is open. Shading, something, I don't know.
When you hide apps do their icons go transclucent in Panther? Mine do but I think that was a hidden feature I enabled when I made my Dock transparent (another thing that would be a nice option in Panther! How many of us have our Docks transparent. Raise your hands!)
For instance I routinely have 2 windows open on the same folder. One in icon view so I can cluster files in little bunches and another window in list view sorted by date.
I wonder if both camps could be satisfied by allowing the user to split a window into two panes, as is done in word processors. You get a one-to-one ratio between folders and their windows, you can keep spatial organisation and you can view the same folder multiple times. That idea would probably make things more complicated than ever though.
The default in Jaguar 10.2.6 is still to leave them opaque.
OK. So I'm just Mr. Wrong. Sorry about that. I double checked. The option in tinkertool is to turn them transparent, not opaque. GRRR. I should really double check things before I post.
heh, i have just noticed that panther brings back an old issue with Terminal.app ... everybody remembers that text-drop shadow-ghosting-issue when scrolling in semi-transparent windows? yep, it found it´s way back ... funny, no?
still it´s kinda funny to be able to set a background picture in terminal windows... 8)
Has anyone tested the new DVD player? Have they finally enabled hardware decoding (for supported GPU's)? How much of CPU cycles is taking?
I've used the DVD player in 10.3. It's very nice.... actually, for some reason, the DVD player in 10.2 isn't working for me, so I reboot into 10.3 when I want to watch a DVD... it's a little backwards if you ask me!
I never looked into how many CPU cycles it's taking, but it always runs without a glitch on my iMac G4 800 15".
I never looked into how many CPU cycles it's taking, but it always runs without a glitch on my iMac G4 800 15".
I am not sure if the iMac's GPU has hardware decoding capabilities for MPEG-2. I am almost certain that at least the Powerbook 12" GPU has this capability. If this feature is enabled in Panther, then in "top" the CPU usage of DVD player should be pretty low. In Jaguar it is about 30%.
I was skeptical about this being changed in panther, but I just checked... when you hide the toolbars it does behave spatially... you can only have one window open for each folder... and after you open a folder it stays selected like OS 9 did, but the icon does not change... I would post screenshots, but I am having a bit of trouble with my iDisk and panther on one of my machines so I'd rather sort that out first... maybe brad?
oh and you can still see the same folder in more then one view... you just need to keep the toolbar toggled...
Neat.
How does Panther show that a folder is open, if the icon isn't grayed out?
it stays selected after you open it, but you can go back an de-select that folder, much like in 9... one difference is that if you select the background of the window it does NOT select the appropriate folder in the parent folder...(it doesn't select anything... in 9 it would select the folder you are clicking in the background of...
So that would boost the time we can watch DVDs on PBG4 12"s. I would be all for that!
I am not sure about battery time, since the GPU still needs energy to do the decoding. The point of hardware decoding is to be able to watch a DVD while the processor is free to work in the background (compiling or processing or whatever). It is a pity to have this technology sitting there and doing nothing as it is right now.
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Wait, I -want- to be able to have several simultaneous views on the same folder if I want to. All you spacial Finder literalists/purists need to do is not open 2 folders pointing to the same content if it bothers you. You don't need to make my Finder limited and limit my workflow.
For instance I routinely have 2 windows open on the same folder. One in icon view so I can cluster files in little bunches and another window in list view sorted by date.
Quit trying to limit the Mac. Multiple views onto a given location is not a bad thing. If it's not in the original Macintosh Human Interface Guidlines, too bad. They were always meant to be guidelines that Apple can expand upon as they see fit. They have. And it is useful.
Originally posted by Reid
I wonder if someone could post a screenshot showing how this works in Panther.
WOW
I was skeptical about this being changed in panther, but I just checked... when you hide the toolbars it does behave spatially... you can only have one window open for each folder... and after you open a folder it stays selected like OS 9 did, but the icon does not change... I would post screenshots, but I am having a bit of trouble with my iDisk and panther on one of my machines so I'd rather sort that out first... maybe brad?
oh and you can still see the same folder in more then one view... you just need to keep the toolbar toggled...
When you hide apps do their icons go transclucent in Panther? Mine do but I think that was a hidden feature I enabled when I made my Dock transparent (another thing that would be a nice option in Panther! How many of us have our Docks transparent. Raise your hands!)
I also have the hack enabled from cocktail to make hidden apps translucent... this is on all of my machines...
Originally posted by Aquatic
When you hide apps do their icons go transclucent in Panther?
Nope. And it is default in Jag for them to go transparent, but there's a tinkertool that fixes that. I was happy to see that one changed
For instance I routinely have 2 windows open on the same folder. One in icon view so I can cluster files in little bunches and another window in list view sorted by date.
I wonder if both camps could be satisfied by allowing the user to split a window into two panes, as is done in word processors. You get a one-to-one ratio between folders and their windows, you can keep spatial organisation and you can view the same folder multiple times. That idea would probably make things more complicated than ever though.
Originally posted by bauman
Nope. And it is default in Jag for them to go transparent
What?
The default in Jaguar 10.2.6 is still to leave them opaque.
Originally posted by Brad
What?
The default in Jaguar 10.2.6 is still to leave them opaque.
OK. So I'm just Mr. Wrong. Sorry about that. I double checked. The option in tinkertool is to turn them transparent, not opaque. GRRR. I should really double check things before I post.
still it´s kinda funny to be able to set a background picture in terminal windows... 8)
I have lots of friends in Middle Eastern studies and the fact that there is basically no solution for them with X doesnt make em very happy.
Mellel supports right to left, but its a pain in the ass to set up...
Originally posted by PB
Has anyone tested the new DVD player? Have they finally enabled hardware decoding (for supported GPU's)? How much of CPU cycles is taking?
I've used the DVD player in 10.3. It's very nice.... actually, for some reason, the DVD player in 10.2 isn't working for me, so I reboot into 10.3 when I want to watch a DVD... it's a little backwards if you ask me!
I never looked into how many CPU cycles it's taking, but it always runs without a glitch on my iMac G4 800 15".
Originally posted by bauman
I never looked into how many CPU cycles it's taking, but it always runs without a glitch on my iMac G4 800 15".
I am not sure if the iMac's GPU has hardware decoding capabilities for MPEG-2. I am almost certain that at least the Powerbook 12" GPU has this capability. If this feature is enabled in Panther, then in "top" the CPU usage of DVD player should be pretty low. In Jaguar it is about 30%.
Mellel is so cool though isn't it ZO? It actually makes Metal look not half bad.
Originally posted by Paul
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I was skeptical about this being changed in panther, but I just checked... when you hide the toolbars it does behave spatially... you can only have one window open for each folder... and after you open a folder it stays selected like OS 9 did, but the icon does not change... I would post screenshots, but I am having a bit of trouble with my iDisk and panther on one of my machines so I'd rather sort that out first... maybe brad?
oh and you can still see the same folder in more then one view... you just need to keep the toolbar toggled...
Neat.
How does Panther show that a folder is open, if the icon isn't grayed out?
Originally posted by Hobbes
How does Panther show that a folder is open
It doesn't.
so in short it doesn't...
Originally posted by Aquatic
So that would boost the time we can watch DVDs on PBG4 12"s. I would be all for that!
I am not sure about battery time, since the GPU still needs energy to do the decoding. The point of hardware decoding is to be able to watch a DVD while the processor is free to work in the background (compiling or processing or whatever). It is a pity to have this technology sitting there and doing nothing as it is right now.
Originally posted by Code Master
In one of the screenshots at the beginning of this thread, it shows a selection for right to left typing in textedit.
Aquatic and Code master, thanks... didnt see that!
Finally maybe Arabis and Hebrew text input built in the system!!!
Any sign of changing the entire OS into Arabic or Hebrew????