well granted... but there will always be people who are willing to spend whatever it is you need to spend to get into the WWDC and then make available the OS seed they get at the event...
Ah, whatever. I updated via SU. I was at my fiancee's parent's house at the time, so I think I'm safe... I wish I hadn't reformatted to reinstall Panther though. I would have liked to see if the update fixed the problem with expose that I was having when I just did an upgrade install. It wouldn't shrink the windows but you could mouse over where the shrunken windows were supposed to be and see the name of that window. It wasn't too fun but it worked to switch. After a reformat and reinstall it works fine now.
Yah, who cares if the cops come busting down HER door...
Oh, she lives with me. We were just visiting. Chances are, they wouldn't have a clue what the cops were talking about... I'm their computer fix-it guy. (BTW, I HATE windows with a passion...)
well granted... but there will always be people who are willing to spend whatever it is you need to spend to get into the WWDC and then make available the OS seed they get at the event...
If you front the $3500 for a Premiere account, you get at least $7000 in hardware discounts; more if you arrange your orders to include as much as possible in each order (an iPod and a monitor all go on the same single discount as the computer, and there are 10 discounts in a Premiere account). Plus WWDC is free. The discounts are transferable to any other ADC member (even the free accounts) who is in your project group.
Theoretically speaking of course, you could buy a Premier account for $3500, you and your 9 colleagues could order ten $10000 systems, save $2000 on each one, and charge the colleagues back $500 on each one. They still save $1500, you get your $2000 off your system, your $3500 is paid for by the $4500 you get back from the colleagues, you go to WWDC and get the iSight and Panther for free, you get all other OS upgrades for free, and you have $1000 left over to help pay for the airfare and hotel to San Fran.
Anyone know if Apple is planning on adding Ext2 or Ext3 support to OSX? I have a few Ext2 drives with things on them that I would throw into a firewire enclosure if I could mount them on OSX. I know there are 3rd party solutions, but I would rather that Apple integrate it into the OS... less chance of partition f0x0ring bugs.
Almost makes me want to shell out $3500 so I can go to next year's show and get major boocoo discountage on a couple Mac systems. But NAH. I'll just buy my G5 with a friendly neighborhood discount from a friend who has one to spare.
Sigh. OK, maybe third time's the charm. I don't suppose someone with Panther could check out the Full Keyboard Access situation? Is it a set of commands in Sys. Pref > Keyboard & Mouse >Keyboard Shortcuts? Better than Jaguar? Up to par with Windows...?
Sigh. OK, maybe third time's the charm. I don't suppose someone with Panther could check out the Full Keyboard Access situation? Is it a set of commands in Sys. Pref > Keyboard & Mouse >Keyboard Shortcuts? Better than Jaguar? Up to par with Windows...?
What are you looking for? You can navigate the menus, the toolbar, change apps, focus on the dock, activate it via a keystroke, etc. I can't think of what you can't do with them. I'll check jags' settings to see how they compare. Does that help?
I didn't miss those, Brad; I guess I wasn't being clear.
I'm looking for a description of the behavior, not a screenshot.
I'm curious about Full Keyboard Access, too, not Keyboard Shortcuts. (I'm guessing that FKA has been folded into the Keyboard Shortcuts section.)
I'd like to know if know if navigating GUI elements by keyboard has been improved in Panther -- i.e, something equivalent to the Windows standard of being able to navigate any menu or GUI element onscreen solely by the keyboard. Jaguar came closer when it introduced FKA, but, IMO, is still behind (for example, using the arrow keys to drip slowly down a menu doesn't cut it).
What are you looking for? You can navigate the menus, the toolbar, change apps, focus on the dock, activate it via a keystroke, etc. I can't think of what you can't do with them. I'll check jags' settings to see how they compare. Does that help?
I'm curious if a menu in the menubar -- even one that doesn't have a keyboard shortcut -- it can be navigated by the keyboard, e.g. by hitting the first letter of the menu command once you've clicked or activated the menubar. Or if Apple has come up with something better.
In a similar vein, I've heard that pop-up menus are much improved, and hitting, say, Z, will bring you straight to Zimbabwe instead having to scroll all the down. That would be really nice.
This is not *so* much a big issue for me (though I would use FKA on occasion, if implemented well), but I've heard a number of switchers and would-be switchers complain about this, and I'd like to see how Apple is addressing it.
I'm curious if a menu in the menubar -- even one that doesn't have a keyboard shortcut -- it can be navigated by the keyboard, e.g. by hitting the first letter of the menu command once you've clicked or activated the menubar. Or if Apple has come up with something better.
In a similar vein, I've heard that pop-up menus are much improved, and hitting, say, Z, will bring you straight to Zimbabwe instead having to scroll all the down. That would be really nice.
This is not *so* much a big issue for me (though I would use FKA on occasion, if implemented well), but I've heard a number of switchers and would-be switchers complain about this, and I'd like to see how Apple is addressing it.
Thanks!
Yes, you can. You activate the menubar by pressing ^F2 and then you can navigate either by the arrows or by starting to type what you want to get to.
In this image, you can get to energy saver by pressing "e" and to expose by pressing "ex" quickly. The delay is pretty short, so you need to press them in quick succession to be able to get there. Does that help?
Yes, you can. You activate the menubar by pressing ^F2 and then you can navigate either by the arrows or by starting to type what you want to get to.
In this image, you can get to energy saver by pressing "e" and to expose by pressing "ex" quickly. The delay is pretty short, so you need to press them in quick succession to be able to get there. Does that help?
I didn't see this question: in Jaguar, if you select multiple files of the same type and try to use the contextual menu to Open With, the list is empty. Does Panther fix this?
I didn't see this question: in Jaguar, if you select multiple files of the same type and try to use the contextual menu to Open With, the list is empty. Does Panther fix this?
Yes, it does. Although I didn't know that was a problem in Jaguar.\
You can also access the Open With command so long as a single app can handle the different file types
erm, I hate to tell you, but I don't see it. Unless, of course, you're getting that beach ball for hours, everything looks normal to me.
Oh, are you talking about the highlight around the cancel button? Those highlights come when you have full keyboard access turned on... they're in Jag, too. I never did like the way they looked, and how they are usually selecting something without you issuing a full keyboard command. I suppose you could call that a bug... is that what you are talking about?
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. I was at my fiancee's parent's house at the time, so I think I'm safe...
Yah, who cares if the cops come busting down HER door...
Originally posted by keyboardf12
Yah, who cares if the cops come busting down HER door...
Oh, she lives with me. We were just visiting. Chances are, they wouldn't have a clue what the cops were talking about... I'm their computer fix-it guy. (BTW, I HATE windows with a passion...)
Originally posted by Paul
well granted... but there will always be people who are willing to spend whatever it is you need to spend to get into the WWDC and then make available the OS seed they get at the event...
If you front the $3500 for a Premiere account, you get at least $7000 in hardware discounts; more if you arrange your orders to include as much as possible in each order (an iPod and a monitor all go on the same single discount as the computer, and there are 10 discounts in a Premiere account). Plus WWDC is free. The discounts are transferable to any other ADC member (even the free accounts) who is in your project group.
Theoretically speaking of course, you could buy a Premier account for $3500, you and your 9 colleagues could order ten $10000 systems, save $2000 on each one, and charge the colleagues back $500 on each one. They still save $1500, you get your $2000 off your system, your $3500 is paid for by the $4500 you get back from the colleagues, you go to WWDC and get the iSight and Panther for free, you get all other OS upgrades for free, and you have $1000 left over to help pay for the airfare and hotel to San Fran.
Originally posted by Hobbes
Sigh. OK, maybe third time's the charm. I don't suppose someone with Panther could check out the Full Keyboard Access situation? Is it a set of commands in Sys. Pref > Keyboard & Mouse >Keyboard Shortcuts? Better than Jaguar? Up to par with Windows...?
What are you looking for? You can navigate the menus, the toolbar, change apps, focus on the dock, activate it via a keystroke, etc. I can't think of what you can't do with them. I'll check jags' settings to see how they compare. Does that help?
Originally posted by Hobbes
Sigh. OK, maybe third time's the charm. I don't suppose someone with Panther could check out the Full Keyboard Access situation?
Sigh. Third time's the charm? See pages three and eight for my detailed list of screenshots.
Did you miss these?
System Preferences - keyboard shortcuts Some serious customization.
System Preferences - keyboard shortcuts continued.
System Preferences - keyboard shortcuts add shortcut popup menu in that sheet.
bauman posted a screenshot of the same panel on page eight too.
I'm looking for a description of the behavior, not a screenshot.
I'm curious about Full Keyboard Access, too, not Keyboard Shortcuts. (I'm guessing that FKA has been folded into the Keyboard Shortcuts section.)
I'd like to know if know if navigating GUI elements by keyboard has been improved in Panther -- i.e, something equivalent to the Windows standard of being able to navigate any menu or GUI element onscreen solely by the keyboard. Jaguar came closer when it introduced FKA, but, IMO, is still behind (for example, using the arrow keys to drip slowly down a menu doesn't cut it).
Originally posted by torifile
What are you looking for? You can navigate the menus, the toolbar, change apps, focus on the dock, activate it via a keystroke, etc. I can't think of what you can't do with them. I'll check jags' settings to see how they compare. Does that help?
I'm curious if a menu in the menubar -- even one that doesn't have a keyboard shortcut -- it can be navigated by the keyboard, e.g. by hitting the first letter of the menu command once you've clicked or activated the menubar. Or if Apple has come up with something better.
In a similar vein, I've heard that pop-up menus are much improved, and hitting, say, Z, will bring you straight to Zimbabwe instead having to scroll all the down. That would be really nice.
This is not *so* much a big issue for me (though I would use FKA on occasion, if implemented well), but I've heard a number of switchers and would-be switchers complain about this, and I'd like to see how Apple is addressing it.
Thanks!
GUIs are for mice.
Originally posted by Hobbes
I'm curious if a menu in the menubar -- even one that doesn't have a keyboard shortcut -- it can be navigated by the keyboard, e.g. by hitting the first letter of the menu command once you've clicked or activated the menubar. Or if Apple has come up with something better.
In a similar vein, I've heard that pop-up menus are much improved, and hitting, say, Z, will bring you straight to Zimbabwe instead having to scroll all the down. That would be really nice.
This is not *so* much a big issue for me (though I would use FKA on occasion, if implemented well), but I've heard a number of switchers and would-be switchers complain about this, and I'd like to see how Apple is addressing it.
Thanks!
Yes, you can. You activate the menubar by pressing ^F2 and then you can navigate either by the arrows or by starting to type what you want to get to.
In this image, you can get to energy saver by pressing "e" and to expose by pressing "ex" quickly. The delay is pretty short, so you need to press them in quick succession to be able to get there. Does that help?
Originally posted by torifile
Yes, you can. You activate the menubar by pressing ^F2 and then you can navigate either by the arrows or by starting to type what you want to get to.
In this image, you can get to energy saver by pressing "e" and to expose by pressing "ex" quickly. The delay is pretty short, so you need to press them in quick succession to be able to get there. Does that help?
Ah. At long last.
Thanks. Sounds cool.
Originally posted by Fluffy
I didn't see this question: in Jaguar, if you select multiple files of the same type and try to use the contextual menu to Open With, the list is empty. Does Panther fix this?
Yes, it does. Although I didn't know that was a problem in Jaguar.
You can also access the Open With command so long as a single app can handle the different file types
http://homepage.mac.com/barto_act/ne...t/whitebar.jpg
It's a good bug, don't you think?
Originally posted by Barto
I found a bug! Yay!
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It's a good bug, don't you think?
erm, I hate to tell you, but I don't see it. Unless, of course, you're getting that beach ball for hours, everything looks normal to me.
Oh, are you talking about the highlight around the cancel button? Those highlights come when you have full keyboard access turned on... they're in Jag, too. I never did like the way they looked, and how they are usually selecting something without you issuing a full keyboard command. I suppose you could call that a bug... is that what you are talking about?