I think that too many people confuse need and desire. You still have not convinced me of a need. With drive capacities skyrocketing it will not be long before two drives will have the capacity of 1TB or more.
Says you. Why pay for new high capacity drives and deal with transfering all the data when the old drives work fine? Just because ou;ve ot the time and money doesn't mean we all do, Mr. Consultant-boy.
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I understand that you may have information on old hard drives, but I still dont know why you would not want put that info on bigger faster drives. If you are saying that you have multiple drive sitting around and you have to swap them out to get to the info, sounds like a firewire solution would be ideal. Why would you want to open the case to swap drives? If your argument is based on the thrill of doing it yourself, I can understand that, I have been there but have long surpassed said thrill. Othetwise, your argument is weak because it is based on physical drive counts rather than capacity.
Again, says you. It would be nice to have an internal RAID of two drives, and a drive to run the OS off. Can't do it on G5, can do it on Dell. Which is better?
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As far as the OD bay goes, this new machine is so fast and the pipes so wide and the superdrive so capable that the necesity of a second drive is vertually illiminated. Copying disks will be virtually as fast as before, according to apple. Your argument is based once again on drive count rather than on capability.
If disk-to-disk burns don't make sense to you, if faster than superdrive CDRW's don't make sense to you, then I can't help you.
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They have made it clear that COOLING and NOISE and SPEED is a priority in this new machine, they have gone to great lengths to illustrate this. That is the main reason for lack of bays.
You act as if the concept of quiet cooling is so delicateand impossible that it takes a genius to do it. It's pretty easy - good fans and good airflow; it doesn't take a genius to make a quiet case.
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Apple has made it clear that they have adopted firewire and USB as their connectivity protocals. As far as I know apple has never adopted a wireless computer, just tried to illiminate unnecesary wires. So the argument that external storage is contrary to apple's phylosophy is just left field bunk.
Again, your opinion masquerading as anything more than your opinion.
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Remember apple is trying to deliver a viable bleeding edge product to its users on a fast as possible manner. This machine along with Panther is a screamer and pro users will benifit greatly by this speed bump. This technology along with improvements will trickle rapidly to their other and future products. Patience is a vurtue.
Apple learned the expandibility curve once, why must they do it again?
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I am sick of hearing "oh it would have been a minor engineering thing to add this or that." Oh I see, all you self appointed engineers could have done it better. OK. I don't see any of you on Apple's consultant or partner list. As far as GNEWS goes, if you don't need this machine don't buy it, if you do, then do. If you think that apple has made their R&R a personal attack on you or your swiss freinds, I only say there is a plethora of PC's out there with endless expandability. Or, Maybe you could wait a bit for apple to perfect their design and add more bays or accept that you may need to use Fireware. No offense intended but those are the choices.
Of all the things that are difficult to design, computer cases are not one of them. There is nothing new, or interesting in the G5 design - only the artistic sensibility to make it look slick.
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There seems to be much discussion about very little. I am not saying that you do not have a valad point or points, just that there are viable and prooven alternatives. Consider that maybe you should braoden your perspective.
That's Apple - why give the buyer what he wants when you can shove our random design down theirs?
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By the way, I own 3 dual 1ghz G4's and 2 custom built PC's along with an XServe. I personally use an iMac. I have been using macs in verious form for the last 5 years. I recently switched over 100% because of OSX. You are not by any means talking to a computer novice. I consult with multi-million dollar companies and countless local businesses and residents. I have been in and around the computer business for 12 years. I have been an aerospace machinist and prototype designer/machinist/programmer. Not that anyone cares about all of that, just I am not a mindless drone and have some experience and expertise behind what I say. Take anyway that you like.
If all you're saying NaplesX, is true, then I now know the last and only reason why you don't understand me: you're, unlike me,a rich bastard who likes to spend unnecessary hundreds of dollars on "viable alternatives".
As for the drive count thing, I don't think I have to remind you, that a RAID consists of multiple drives, and, if configured as a stripe, is vastly faster than any single SATA drive. I'd also like to note that a RAID can have more than 2 drives...
Anyway I said I won't argue anymore and I'll be coming back to you, once Apple implicitly admits the problem by correcting it.
G-News (your favorite Swiss dude with his cheese eating friends and watch making girlfriend <insert all the stupid clichees here as compensation for better knowledge>)
So what this boils down to is you don't want spend money and apple should cater to tinkerers/hobbyist.
RAID is very cool and you can set up raid on this new machine and there are many external RAID solutions.
There is no need to call names. I may be a bastard but I am not sure I would fall under the rich catagory. I am a hard working person and earn the money that I have. If you are concluding that I am rich because of the machines that I use, I would just point out that I have a business that requires the use of the said computers I just did not go out to buy a bunch of computers for the fun of it.
I chalange both of you to create a case that does what the new apple G5 case can do. Both of you seem to know so much you could make some money by doing it "right."
All of your arguments once again are based on wants not needs. I think that maybe you feel if you criticize apple it makes you look smart or somthing. Don't know.
I chalange both of you to create a case that does what the new apple G5 case can do. Both of you seem to know so much you could make some money by doing it "right."
All of your arguments once again are based on wants not needs. I think that maybe you feel if you criticize apple it makes you look smart or somthing. Don't know.
Sure, it's just a cheap photoack, but the question isn't whether it (more OD's and HD's) can be done (of course it can), but why Apple chose not to do it. Your answer seems to be that they chose not to because they are smart and the users are stupid. You are entitled to that opinion, no matter how asinine it is.
So what this boils down to is you don't want spend money and apple should cater to tinkerers/hobbyist.
No, but they should cater to people who don't have unlimited amounts of cash to spend on their hardware, if that is a tinkerer or not, doesn't matter at all. Fact is, you're calling Apple smart (and the users who protest stupid), because we get less bang (expandability, not speed, mind you) for the buck. bang that we got just a machine model earlier. (for less money even).
And what a fantastic RAID you can make out of 2 serial ATA drives using software RAID mode. GREAT, I always wanted that to replace a 4 drive RAID 5 system...
No, but they should cater to people who don't have unlimited amounts of cash to spend on their hardware, if that is a tinkerer or not, doesn't matter at all. Fact is, you're calling Apple smart (and the users who protest stupid), because we get less bang (expandability, not speed, mind you) for the buck. bang that we got just a machine model earlier. (for less money even).
And what a fantastic RAID you can make out of 2 serial ATA drives using software RAID mode. GREAT, I always wanted that to replace a 4 drive RAID 5 system...
G-News
I think apple has realised that it cannot please everyone and they have built a solid base of satisfied users. Your raid issue is a valid one.
I guess the question would be are you raising a fuss because you were going to run out and buy one but you cannot fit the drives, or are you talking just to hear yourself talk?
I'm talking because I'd have bought one (although out of an irrational desire to have one, not because of need), had it allowed me to take my current disks/drives without hassle and extra investment with it. Now I'll have to wait for a beefed up case, similar to what was suggested. (only that I'd not separate the 2 zone, and use a 120mm fan instead of 2 60 or 80mm ones.
Sure, it's just a cheap photoack, but the question isn't whether it (more OD's and HD's) can be done (of course it can), but why Apple chose not to do it. Your answer seems to be that they chose not to because they are smart and the users are stupid. You are entitled to that opinion, no matter how asinine it is.
That seems pretty doable to me, and alittle more realistic than this one...
I think apple has realised that it cannot please everyone and they have built a solid base of satisfied users. Your raid issue is a valid one.
I guess the question would be are you raising a fuss because you were going to run out and buy one but you cannot fit the drives, or are you talking just to hear yourself talk?
I'm torn. The PMG5 is so unexpandable and so expensive that there really isn't any reason to not ust buy the iMac if/when it gets upgraded. Of course in the case of the iMac I'm paying for a Superdrive I don't want (which is $200 more than a CDRW/DVD according to Applemath).....fcuk it, maybe a Powerbook....
I'm torn. The PMG5 is so unexpandable and so expensive that there really isn't any reason to not ust buy the iMac if/when it gets upgraded. Of course in the case of the iMac I'm paying for a Superdrive I don't want (which is $200 more than a CDRW/DVD according to Applemath).....fcuk it, maybe a Powerbook....
I personally think the Superdrive vs Combodrive is a relevant issue. I could use the Superdrive (which I don't need) money to buy more memory.
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Originally posted by NaplesX
I think that too many people confuse need and desire. You still have not convinced me of a need. With drive capacities skyrocketing it will not be long before two drives will have the capacity of 1TB or more.
Says you. Why pay for new high capacity drives and deal with transfering all the data when the old drives work fine? Just because ou;ve ot the time and money doesn't mean we all do, Mr. Consultant-boy.
I understand that you may have information on old hard drives, but I still dont know why you would not want put that info on bigger faster drives. If you are saying that you have multiple drive sitting around and you have to swap them out to get to the info, sounds like a firewire solution would be ideal. Why would you want to open the case to swap drives? If your argument is based on the thrill of doing it yourself, I can understand that, I have been there but have long surpassed said thrill. Othetwise, your argument is weak because it is based on physical drive counts rather than capacity.
Again, says you. It would be nice to have an internal RAID of two drives, and a drive to run the OS off. Can't do it on G5, can do it on Dell. Which is better?
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As far as the OD bay goes, this new machine is so fast and the pipes so wide and the superdrive so capable that the necesity of a second drive is vertually illiminated. Copying disks will be virtually as fast as before, according to apple. Your argument is based once again on drive count rather than on capability.
If disk-to-disk burns don't make sense to you, if faster than superdrive CDRW's don't make sense to you, then I can't help you.
Quote:
They have made it clear that COOLING and NOISE and SPEED is a priority in this new machine, they have gone to great lengths to illustrate this. That is the main reason for lack of bays.
You act as if the concept of quiet cooling is so delicateand impossible that it takes a genius to do it. It's pretty easy - good fans and good airflow; it doesn't take a genius to make a quiet case.
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Apple has made it clear that they have adopted firewire and USB as their connectivity protocals. As far as I know apple has never adopted a wireless computer, just tried to illiminate unnecesary wires. So the argument that external storage is contrary to apple's phylosophy is just left field bunk.
Again, your opinion masquerading as anything more than your opinion.
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Remember apple is trying to deliver a viable bleeding edge product to its users on a fast as possible manner. This machine along with Panther is a screamer and pro users will benifit greatly by this speed bump. This technology along with improvements will trickle rapidly to their other and future products. Patience is a vurtue.
Apple learned the expandibility curve once, why must they do it again?
I am sick of hearing "oh it would have been a minor engineering thing to add this or that." Oh I see, all you self appointed engineers could have done it better. OK. I don't see any of you on Apple's consultant or partner list. As far as GNEWS goes, if you don't need this machine don't buy it, if you do, then do. If you think that apple has made their R&R a personal attack on you or your swiss freinds, I only say there is a plethora of PC's out there with endless expandability. Or, Maybe you could wait a bit for apple to perfect their design and add more bays or accept that you may need to use Fireware. No offense intended but those are the choices.
Of all the things that are difficult to design, computer cases are not one of them. There is nothing new, or interesting in the G5 design - only the artistic sensibility to make it look slick.
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There seems to be much discussion about very little. I am not saying that you do not have a valad point or points, just that there are viable and prooven alternatives. Consider that maybe you should braoden your perspective.
That's Apple - why give the buyer what he wants when you can shove our random design down theirs?
Quote:
By the way, I own 3 dual 1ghz G4's and 2 custom built PC's along with an XServe. I personally use an iMac. I have been using macs in verious form for the last 5 years. I recently switched over 100% because of OSX. You are not by any means talking to a computer novice. I consult with multi-million dollar companies and countless local businesses and residents. I have been in and around the computer business for 12 years. I have been an aerospace machinist and prototype designer/machinist/programmer. Not that anyone cares about all of that, just I am not a mindless drone and have some experience and expertise behind what I say. Take anyway that you like.
I take it that you are lying.
As for the drive count thing, I don't think I have to remind you, that a RAID consists of multiple drives, and, if configured as a stripe, is vastly faster than any single SATA drive. I'd also like to note that a RAID can have more than 2 drives...
Anyway I said I won't argue anymore and I'll be coming back to you, once Apple implicitly admits the problem by correcting it.
G-News (your favorite Swiss dude with his cheese eating friends and watch making girlfriend <insert all the stupid clichees here as compensation for better knowledge>)
RAID is very cool and you can set up raid on this new machine and there are many external RAID solutions.
There is no need to call names. I may be a bastard but I am not sure I would fall under the rich catagory. I am a hard working person and earn the money that I have. If you are concluding that I am rich because of the machines that I use, I would just point out that I have a business that requires the use of the said computers I just did not go out to buy a bunch of computers for the fun of it.
I chalange both of you to create a case that does what the new apple G5 case can do. Both of you seem to know so much you could make some money by doing it "right."
All of your arguments once again are based on wants not needs. I think that maybe you feel if you criticize apple it makes you look smart or somthing. Don't know.
Originally posted by NaplesX
I chalange both of you to create a case that does what the new apple G5 case can do. Both of you seem to know so much you could make some money by doing it "right."
All of your arguments once again are based on wants not needs. I think that maybe you feel if you criticize apple it makes you look smart or somthing. Don't know.
Awww, your hurting my widdle feewings.....
One idea
Sure, it's just a cheap photoack, but the question isn't whether it (more OD's and HD's) can be done (of course it can), but why Apple chose not to do it. Your answer seems to be that they chose not to because they are smart and the users are stupid. You are entitled to that opinion, no matter how asinine it is.
So what this boils down to is you don't want spend money and apple should cater to tinkerers/hobbyist.
No, but they should cater to people who don't have unlimited amounts of cash to spend on their hardware, if that is a tinkerer or not, doesn't matter at all. Fact is, you're calling Apple smart (and the users who protest stupid), because we get less bang (expandability, not speed, mind you) for the buck. bang that we got just a machine model earlier. (for less money even).
And what a fantastic RAID you can make out of 2 serial ATA drives using software RAID mode. GREAT, I always wanted that to replace a 4 drive RAID 5 system...
G-News
Originally posted by G-News
No, but they should cater to people who don't have unlimited amounts of cash to spend on their hardware, if that is a tinkerer or not, doesn't matter at all. Fact is, you're calling Apple smart (and the users who protest stupid), because we get less bang (expandability, not speed, mind you) for the buck. bang that we got just a machine model earlier. (for less money even).
And what a fantastic RAID you can make out of 2 serial ATA drives using software RAID mode. GREAT, I always wanted that to replace a 4 drive RAID 5 system...
G-News
I think apple has realised that it cannot please everyone and they have built a solid base of satisfied users. Your raid issue is a valid one.
I guess the question would be are you raising a fuss because you were going to run out and buy one but you cannot fit the drives, or are you talking just to hear yourself talk?
Originally posted by I, Fred
One idea
Sure, it's just a cheap photoack, but the question isn't whether it (more OD's and HD's) can be done (of course it can), but why Apple chose not to do it. Your answer seems to be that they chose not to because they are smart and the users are stupid. You are entitled to that opinion, no matter how asinine it is.
That seems pretty doable to me, and alittle more realistic than this one...
Photo courtesy of pofo in this thread, http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=27071
I hope Apple get to one of these soon, but I doubt this is an issue that will destroy the company.
Originally posted by NaplesX
I think apple has realised that it cannot please everyone and they have built a solid base of satisfied users. Your raid issue is a valid one.
I guess the question would be are you raising a fuss because you were going to run out and buy one but you cannot fit the drives, or are you talking just to hear yourself talk?
I'm torn. The PMG5 is so unexpandable and so expensive that there really isn't any reason to not ust buy the iMac if/when it gets upgraded. Of course in the case of the iMac I'm paying for a Superdrive I don't want (which is $200 more than a CDRW/DVD according to Applemath).....fcuk it, maybe a Powerbook....
Originally posted by I, Fred
I'm torn. The PMG5 is so unexpandable and so expensive that there really isn't any reason to not ust buy the iMac if/when it gets upgraded. Of course in the case of the iMac I'm paying for a Superdrive I don't want (which is $200 more than a CDRW/DVD according to Applemath).....fcuk it, maybe a Powerbook....
I personally think the Superdrive vs Combodrive is a relevant issue. I could use the Superdrive (which I don't need) money to buy more memory.