the 2inch OLED screen is wicked. You could easily watch a movie on an iPod while on a trip or something... then hook it up to your entertainment system (TV) and watch video from it. Hmmmm..... MPEG4 videos here we come, hehe
<strong>They could also go into the maple syrup and beer business.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Better than sucking down gravy by the pint and slurping down fried chicken all day, ya gun totin' yankee bastard. Get out of the trailer and give your head a shake. Get the wind goin' through that nice mullet of yours.
<strong>im in the market for an iPod... do I play the waiting game (MWSF) or just buy the bugger?
I'd kick myself senseless if we got a realnice iPod v2 in mid Jan</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahhh! All this talk about a new iPod makes me on edge...as my 5gig refurb should arrive this Thursday.
I know I could and probably should have waited till after January, but it was a great deal especially since I'm saving on delivery and duty (brother is driving up to Canada).
Plus you have to realize, any new iPod with these rumoured features will undoubtedly go for a premium price. The current iPod as is, is still a great little gadget.
Here's another excerpt fromt he same article on cnn.
[quote] But current screens start to degrade after around 10,000 hours of use, with blue pixels dimming sooner than others, O'Donovan said. As colors die, the screens take on a magenta hue, he said <hr></blockquote>
So, if you use your iPod 8 hours per day, that's a product life span of 3.42 years.
Would you set yourself back $500+ for a product that you know will degrade after 3 years? It's not a very attractive option for a consumer. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
It's true that the user will not actively use the display 8 hours/day but if the pod/phone is turned on, the screen will be active unless it incorporates a display sleep mode.
i don't have an iPod, do the current models have a display sleep mode?
Also, what makes you think it will be M$ cell phone?
<strong>Here's another excerpt fromt he same article on cnn.
So, if you use your iPod 8 hours per day, that's a product life span of 3.42 years.
Would you set yourself back $500+ for a product that you know will degrade after 3 years? It's not a very attractive option for a consumer. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well people buy Plasma TVs all the time... Well okay maybe not 'ALL THE TIME' (given the price tag) but they are still a "consumer device" (high end)... Plasma screens will die too.. As do projector bulbs in front and or rear projection TVs and they will cost you 400 to 800 to replace.
<strong>I would really like a radio function in the ipod. It would be a pleasant change from listening to mp3s.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why buy an mp3 player so you can listen to the radio? The whole idea behind any mp3 player was so you could have at your fingertips hundreds of songs at the touch of a button, not so you can listen to the radio or watch TV or do anything besides the main point. Personally, I see no reason to implement any such feature.
"Better than sucking down gravy by the pint and slurping down fried chicken all day, ya gun totin' yankee bastard. Get out of the trailer and give your head a shake. Get the wind goin' through that nice mullet of yours.
Hey, you're right, this IS fun."
Yowch.
iPod. With colour screen. That's gotta be the best news we get at San Fran'. Amen. And colour 'break out.' Aqua-pod interface? Drool...watch mini-Quicktimes...(as big as your get them on yer monitor anyhow... )
Whoop. The oled (olay!) screen looks fantastic. Too soon for iPod colour? Or is it ready to go?
Seems to me I heard stories when the iPod was initially released about people actually putting a System Folder on the iPod and booting their computer from it. It worked, but if I'm not mistaken there were some fried MP3 players when it was all done - basically the HD is not designed for the continual read/write the system needed.
I would think video playback and/or audio recording would strain the HD in a similar way. Maybe not dictation recording - i.e. 8-bit mono - but anything higher res would be a lot of throughput. Unless the HDs have developed beyond this limitation or more memory could be added as a bigger input/playback buffer, I don't see how an iPod in it's existing incarnation could handle these things.
Thoughts?
That being said, here are my suggestions...
I don't much care about adding video, but being able to record would be flippin fantastic! If it can be done and still maintain the size/simplicity of the current model, I would buy one immediately, and I've only had mine iPod for two months.
A radio tuner - it'd be a nice addition if it didn't detract from the size/simplicity, but as has been stated, I have no real desire to listen to the vast majority of US radio, so I could live without. The firewaire add-on mentioned earlier is an interesting solution, if it would work.
As for PDA functions - I've found that my Palm was basically used as a phone list and calendar, and maybe playing silly games. I can basically do that on the iPod now, so I don't really need additional PDA functions.
And phone functions...too many hats! I think this thing needs to stay in the audio realm - more is not always better. The iPod is a GREAT portable juke box - something that until a few years ago was unthinkable - I can walk around with a "pack of smokes" that caries 1000, 2000 - even 4000 songs that I can have access to anywhere anytime. Pretty fvckin amazing!! AS IS!!
Now, if Apple wants to tackle that recording idea, they got my support!
5+ " screen yes. thats right I said it. Of course it would require an entire redesign of the current iPod or not. Why not take the division of iPod and make a whole line of "Pods" an iPod a vPod an xPod etc. not all of you are intersted in video iPods or a mini portable comp ie PDA but the demand is still there.
My reasons for a vPod:
I have close to 100 music videos on my comp and growing. I watch them on my laptop in full screen and the quality is great. I like recording Music Vids from MTV, BET MMUSA, VH1 etc. to my digi camcorder and the to my comp. Uncompressed 1 min of vid = 200mb. After im done i get them down to about 1min for 10mb which works out to 50mb music vids (great quality on a 14" screen, i could imagine i can get them down to 4mb per min for a 5" iPod Screen). Currently 50mb per vid would equal 200 MUSIC VIDEOS for ever 10 GIGS of iPOD!! thats just freakin outstanding!!
Oh, it gets even better. you know those expensive 7" screens they sell for you car so you can watch DVDs? now with an iPod dashbord attachement thingy you can just slap the iPod you Dash, hook up the audio out to the audio in in your radio and Bamo! You get the music and the video to go with it.
AM/FM XM? Radio? very good idea although some of you balk at the idea. You don't always have access to new music all time even with a 2000 plus Mp3 collection, and you get tired of the same Mp3's all the time. Besides some people do wanna listen to Howard Stern in the morning ya know? and traffic and weather and news on radio also. Do you have current news in Mp3 format, NO!! sorry i didn't mean to yell.
What about streaming audio? it would require an iPod cabable of honing into a satalite of some sort and Apple could even have its own POD CHANNELS you can tune into.
Which of course leads to streaming video. Why just listen to when you can watch CNN Headline news anytime you want.
Am I going to far yet? NO. if they can make an iPod cellphone capable they can very well send streaming Zeros and Ones to it dammit.
feel free to knock my ideas, thats what discussion is for
While you are thinking of all these great ideas. Spend a few mins to think "Would I actually use that?" and I mean once the novalty has worn off?
I have "old" psion revo... It has a fully functioning window based os... I can download a shedload of games and apps.... but I just use the calander and the address book.
My ideal iPod (and I dont own a current one yet - its still on the wishlist) would be:-
iPod as it is now
+ radio prefably digital, even over here in backwards UK we have some digital stations.
+ agenda and contacts ( current iPod already has this i think )
+ almost 100% shock proof drive.
+ wireless link... I already have so many cables from my computer. But it would have to be fast.
As for video etc... that doesnt bother me... I cant think of a single instance where I would abolutly need to use video where my laptop would not be available.
on a separate note.... ( decided best for another thread... will edit and put linkage here.
<strong>The past few days, all around the web I've seen very outspoken assertions about the iPod.
One recurring thing seems to be that the iPod will have a color display. I don't know why, and I don't know if this is very necessary.
Also, there are many who seem to think that the iPod will be a bit revamped so as to include more PDA-ish capabilities.
Many ideas. What do you people think/know?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just the facts? Size and price don't matter, they are moot points. Apple's iPod is hot, expect to pay a premium, regardless...
What IS obvious is that apple will be creating a PDA/Cell Phone which will feature QuickTime-esque technology, delivering audio and video on demand. For this, a harddrive might be a sweet technology... and when this PDA/Cell Phone meets the iPod, call it what you want, you'll have all three in 1 device!!! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
But don't think the integration of the 2 is certain, a scheme to hook the devices together, as well as a color/more-PDA iPod may be in the works. Apple honestly wants to sell more devices at lower prices than 1 super device... ($200 for each is reasonable, and you'll want both... thus you'll pay $400+)
Fm tuning? Well, other MP3 devices support such, as well as burning MP3's from FM... If it only costs the end user $15-$20, and doesn't add bulk, then it will happen.
<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> Bottom Line? Video takes up alot of space!!! But an iPod would not require a very high resolution, and less frames per second could also be pulled off on the smaller screen until drive sizes increase further. 40GB normally transitions to around 10-40 hours of Video (raw). But I've seen people make DVDs under 300MB, which would be around 1400 videos at 40GB (even at an under-estimate of 1 hour DVD length), or using a smaller resolution/better compression maybe even allow 2000 or 3000 videos... current iPod's only allow for around 8000 songs, with the first at 1,000 songs... Thus a 40GB iPod would be able to deliver more video than the original iPod could deliver songs, and realizing this future iPod is 20 times larger, that makes pretty much sence...
AND this bring the video iPod into reality, from science fiction to science-fact...
More backing: You can currently purchase a 200GB harddrive for under $250:
a 40GB and 80GB mobile-hard-drive become more and more realistic as standard hard-drives push towards now 200+GB, soon 300GB and adventually 400GB...
And for that matter, expect 80GB and 120GB hard-drives pushing into mid-range Macs, while 200GB hard-drives push into high end power-macs.
Heck, you can get a 80GB 7200RPM with a 8MB Buffer for under $90... (I'd post the link to outpost, but that's not being store neutral, so here's pricewatch with up to 250GB drives
Because of the iPod's firewire port, it seems that add-on cards could be made very easily. Want a digital camera? Buy a special card that connects to an iPod with color screen. Want sound input? Buy another add-on card. If thir-party manufactors were allowed to make these add-ons there would be unlimited possibilities to what the iPod could do. The one thing holding stuff back would be battery life.
This system would allow you only buy what you need, not a device that can do hundreds of things you don't want.
Add-on cards and stupid proprietary systems like that would just never catch on. The iPod is a mainstream product now, not a niche PDA gadget for rich Mac geeks around the world who would purchase such things.
The iPod should stay a music player. Apple is only going to add features that will make it a better winner in that arena, they aren't going to make it a product with features that less than 1% (or 0.5%, maybe) of the actual target market will use, care about, or invest themselves into. Larger, faster, less power-hungry drives, lower prices, better battery life, more software functionality (i.e. in terms of a music player), more technologies (Bluetooth, anyone?), even a small, 256k color screen could be acceptable (such as what is popping up on lots of mobile phones these days). I think these would be fine additions, any one or a few of them. But some of the crazy things some of you are asking are so far from realistic... you're just setting yourselves up for disappointment.
Of course, that's not to say there won't be devices like this... they just won't be audio players. They'll be the iPhone, the combination phone and organizer and storage pod, the referee of your digital hub.
I want a 60GB iPod (already there for 2.5" hard drives, shouldn't be much longer for 1.8") which costs $199 and is in a thinner case.
The entire front should be a thousands of colours touchscreen, so nothing can be broken or stuck.
Gigabit ethernet for 125MB/s transfers is a must.
It should come with an inbuilt 5-port ethernet hub. That would be really useful around the house.
Surround Sound on headphones was avaible from the f***ed company Aureal awhile ago, why can't this be included on the iPod?
A Video phone would be nice. Especially one whiched linked into iChat. It would function as a mobile phone for those not fortunate enough to own a Mac/iPod.
With a hard drive and screen that big, and MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 Circutry so cheap, would the ability to play DVDs and MPEG-4 ripped DVDs be that much of an ask?
Comments
<strong>They could also go into the maple syrup and beer business.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Better than sucking down gravy by the pint and slurping down fried chicken all day, ya gun totin' yankee bastard. Get out of the trailer and give your head a shake. Get the wind goin' through that nice mullet of yours.
Hey, you're right, this IS fun.
<strong>im in the market for an iPod... do I play the waiting game (MWSF) or just buy the bugger?
I'd kick myself senseless if we got a realnice iPod v2 in mid Jan</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahhh! All this talk about a new iPod makes me on edge...as my 5gig refurb should arrive this Thursday.
I know I could and probably should have waited till after January, but it was a great deal especially since I'm saving on delivery and duty (brother is driving up to Canada).
Plus you have to realize, any new iPod with these rumoured features will undoubtedly go for a premium price. The current iPod as is, is still a great little gadget.
[quote] But current screens start to degrade after around 10,000 hours of use, with blue pixels dimming sooner than others, O'Donovan said. As colors die, the screens take on a magenta hue, he said <hr></blockquote>
So, if you use your iPod 8 hours per day, that's a product life span of 3.42 years.
Would you set yourself back $500+ for a product that you know will degrade after 3 years? It's not a very attractive option for a consumer. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
It's true that the user will not actively use the display 8 hours/day but if the pod/phone is turned on, the screen will be active unless it incorporates a display sleep mode.
i don't have an iPod, do the current models have a display sleep mode?
Also, what makes you think it will be M$ cell phone?
<strong>Here's another excerpt fromt he same article on cnn.
So, if you use your iPod 8 hours per day, that's a product life span of 3.42 years.
Would you set yourself back $500+ for a product that you know will degrade after 3 years? It's not a very attractive option for a consumer. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well people buy Plasma TVs all the time... Well okay maybe not 'ALL THE TIME' (given the price tag) but they are still a "consumer device" (high end)... Plasma screens will die too.. As do projector bulbs in front and or rear projection TVs and they will cost you 400 to 800 to replace.
Dave
<strong>I would really like a radio function in the ipod. It would be a pleasant change from listening to mp3s.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why buy an mp3 player so you can listen to the radio? The whole idea behind any mp3 player was so you could have at your fingertips hundreds of songs at the touch of a button, not so you can listen to the radio or watch TV or do anything besides the main point. Personally, I see no reason to implement any such feature.
-Alexis
[ 12-17-2002: Message edited by: Alexis ]</p>
Hey, you're right, this IS fun."
Yowch.
iPod. With colour screen. That's gotta be the best news we get at San Fran'. Amen. And colour 'break out.' Aqua-pod interface? Drool...watch mini-Quicktimes...(as big as your get them on yer monitor anyhow...
Whoop. The oled (olay!) screen looks fantastic. Too soon for iPod colour? Or is it ready to go?
Lemon Bon Bon
I would think video playback and/or audio recording would strain the HD in a similar way. Maybe not dictation recording - i.e. 8-bit mono - but anything higher res would be a lot of throughput. Unless the HDs have developed beyond this limitation or more memory could be added as a bigger input/playback buffer, I don't see how an iPod in it's existing incarnation could handle these things.
Thoughts?
That being said, here are my suggestions...
I don't much care about adding video, but being able to record would be flippin fantastic! If it can be done and still maintain the size/simplicity of the current model, I would buy one immediately, and I've only had mine iPod for two months.
A radio tuner - it'd be a nice addition if it didn't detract from the size/simplicity, but as has been stated, I have no real desire to listen to the vast majority of US radio, so I could live without. The firewaire add-on mentioned earlier is an interesting solution, if it would work.
As for PDA functions - I've found that my Palm was basically used as a phone list and calendar, and maybe playing silly games. I can basically do that on the iPod now, so I don't really need additional PDA functions.
And phone functions...too many hats! I think this thing needs to stay in the audio realm - more is not always better. The iPod is a GREAT portable juke box - something that until a few years ago was unthinkable - I can walk around with a "pack of smokes" that caries 1000, 2000 - even 4000 songs that I can have access to anywhere anytime. Pretty fvckin amazing!! AS IS!!
Now, if Apple wants to tackle that recording idea, they got my support!
fish
Video? yes its possible
2" screen? eehh no.
5+ " screen yes. thats right I said it. Of course it would require an entire redesign of the current iPod or not. Why not take the division of iPod and make a whole line of "Pods" an iPod a vPod an xPod etc. not all of you are intersted in video iPods or a mini portable comp ie PDA but the demand is still there.
My reasons for a vPod:
I have close to 100 music videos on my comp and growing. I watch them on my laptop in full screen and the quality is great. I like recording Music Vids from MTV, BET MMUSA, VH1 etc. to my digi camcorder and the to my comp. Uncompressed 1 min of vid = 200mb. After im done i get them down to about 1min for 10mb which works out to 50mb music vids (great quality on a 14" screen, i could imagine i can get them down to 4mb per min for a 5" iPod Screen). Currently 50mb per vid would equal 200 MUSIC VIDEOS for ever 10 GIGS of iPOD!! thats just freakin outstanding!!
Oh, it gets even better. you know those expensive 7" screens they sell for you car so you can watch DVDs? now with an iPod dashbord attachement thingy you can just slap the iPod you Dash, hook up the audio out to the audio in in your radio and Bamo! You get the music and the video to go with it.
AM/FM XM? Radio? very good idea although some of you balk at the idea. You don't always have access to new music all time even with a 2000 plus Mp3 collection, and you get tired of the same Mp3's all the time. Besides some people do wanna listen to Howard Stern in the morning ya know? and traffic and weather and news on radio also. Do you have current news in Mp3 format, NO!! sorry i didn't mean to yell.
What about streaming audio? it would require an iPod cabable of honing into a satalite of some sort and Apple could even have its own POD CHANNELS you can tune into.
Which of course leads to streaming video. Why just listen to when you can watch CNN Headline news anytime you want.
Am I going to far yet? NO. if they can make an iPod cellphone capable they can very well send streaming Zeros and Ones to it dammit.
feel free to knock my ideas, thats what discussion is for
Remember, 3 iPods..... an iPod a vPod and an xPod
I have "old" psion revo... It has a fully functioning window based os... I can download a shedload of games and apps.... but I just use the calander and the address book.
My ideal iPod (and I dont own a current one yet - its still on the wishlist) would be:-
iPod as it is now
+ radio prefably digital, even over here in backwards UK we have some digital stations.
+ agenda and contacts ( current iPod already has this i think )
+ almost 100% shock proof drive.
+ wireless link... I already have so many cables from my computer. But it would have to be fast.
As for video etc... that doesnt bother me... I cant think of a single instance where I would abolutly need to use video where my laptop would not be available.
on a separate note.... ( decided best for another thread... will edit and put linkage here.
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002767"; target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002767</a>; )
[ 12-17-2002: Message edited by: Gargoyle ]</p>
<strong>The past few days, all around the web I've seen very outspoken assertions about the iPod.
One recurring thing seems to be that the iPod will have a color display. I don't know why, and I don't know if this is very necessary.
Also, there are many who seem to think that the iPod will be a bit revamped so as to include more PDA-ish capabilities.
Many ideas. What do you people think/know?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just the facts? Size and price don't matter, they are moot points. Apple's iPod is hot, expect to pay a premium, regardless...
What IS obvious is that apple will be creating a PDA/Cell Phone which will feature QuickTime-esque technology, delivering audio and video on demand. For this, a harddrive might be a sweet technology... and when this PDA/Cell Phone meets the iPod, call it what you want, you'll have all three in 1 device!!! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
But don't think the integration of the 2 is certain, a scheme to hook the devices together, as well as a color/more-PDA iPod may be in the works. Apple honestly wants to sell more devices at lower prices than 1 super device... ($200 for each is reasonable, and you'll want both... thus you'll pay $400+)
Fm tuning? Well, other MP3 devices support such, as well as burning MP3's from FM... If it only costs the end user $15-$20, and doesn't add bulk, then it will happen.
<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> Bottom Line? Video takes up alot of space!!! But an iPod would not require a very high resolution, and less frames per second could also be pulled off on the smaller screen until drive sizes increase further. 40GB normally transitions to around 10-40 hours of Video (raw). But I've seen people make DVDs under 300MB, which would be around 1400 videos at 40GB (even at an under-estimate of 1 hour DVD length), or using a smaller resolution/better compression maybe even allow 2000 or 3000 videos... current iPod's only allow for around 8000 songs, with the first at 1,000 songs... Thus a 40GB iPod would be able to deliver more video than the original iPod could deliver songs, and realizing this future iPod is 20 times larger, that makes pretty much sence...
AND this bring the video iPod into reality, from science fiction to science-fact...
More backing: You can currently purchase a 200GB harddrive for under $250:
<a href="http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3483523/"; target="_blank">http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3483523/</a>;
a 40GB and 80GB mobile-hard-drive become more and more realistic as standard hard-drives push towards now 200+GB, soon 300GB and adventually 400GB...
And for that matter, expect 80GB and 120GB hard-drives pushing into mid-range Macs, while 200GB hard-drives push into high end power-macs.
Heck, you can get a 80GB 7200RPM with a 8MB Buffer for under $90... (I'd post the link to outpost, but that's not being store neutral, so here's pricewatch with up to 250GB drives
<a href="http://www.pricewatch.com/menus/m26.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.pricewatch.com/menus/m26.htm</a>;
Um, did I get off topic? Anyway, Look forward to what truely is the biggest year ever for Apple:
PDA/Cell Phone
Video iPods
High Value Apples (for educational season)
PPC 970 1.8 ghz (and then hitting and surpasing 2ghz?)
FireWire 2
Combo Drives for all (except educational only)
Mid-ranged Super-drives
Shadowbane - trust me, when it releases in Winter 2003, you'll be playing it (current estimate for release early 2003.)
Geforce FX, high range
Geforce 4 MX or ATI equiv for all (but ibook)
And Only god knows what's in store for OSX, don't expect anything too crazy, but prepared to be happy.
This system would allow you only buy what you need, not a device that can do hundreds of things you don't want.
The iPod should stay a music player. Apple is only going to add features that will make it a better winner in that arena, they aren't going to make it a product with features that less than 1% (or 0.5%, maybe) of the actual target market will use, care about, or invest themselves into. Larger, faster, less power-hungry drives, lower prices, better battery life, more software functionality (i.e. in terms of a music player), more technologies (Bluetooth, anyone?), even a small, 256k color screen could be acceptable (such as what is popping up on lots of mobile phones these days). I think these would be fine additions, any one or a few of them. But some of the crazy things some of you are asking are so far from realistic... you're just setting yourselves up for disappointment.
Of course, that's not to say there won't be devices like this... they just won't be audio players. They'll be the iPhone, the combination phone and organizer and storage pod, the referee of your digital hub.
[ 12-18-2002: Message edited by: bradbower ]</p>
The entire front should be a thousands of colours touchscreen, so nothing can be broken or stuck.
Gigabit ethernet for 125MB/s transfers is a must.
It should come with an inbuilt 5-port ethernet hub. That would be really useful around the house.
Surround Sound on headphones was avaible from the f***ed company Aureal awhile ago, why can't this be included on the iPod?
A Video phone would be nice. Especially one whiched linked into iChat. It would function as a mobile phone for those not fortunate enough to own a Mac/iPod.
With a hard drive and screen that big, and MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 Circutry so cheap, would the ability to play DVDs and MPEG-4 ripped DVDs be that much of an ask?
Barto
"Yeah McFly, I'll bring my 60 gig iPod with my 100 mpeg4 movies over tonight, we'll choose what movie to see when I get there."
<strong>
Look forward to what is truly the biggest year for Apple:
PDA/Cell Phone
Video iPods
High Value Apples (for educational season)
PPC 970 1.8 ghz (and then hitting and surpasing 2ghz?)
FireWire 2
Combo Drives for all (except educational only)
Mid-ranged Super-drives
Shadowbane - trust me, when it releases in Winter 2003, you'll be playing it (current estimate for release early 2003.)
Geforce FX, high range
Geforce 4 MX or ATI equiv for all (but ibook)
And Only god knows what's in store for OSX, don't expect anything too crazy, but prepared to be happy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You should repost these in december 2003 and weep... I would like to see what percentage of that will actually take place.