To me the most interesting bit of info from ThinkSecret is this:
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Q16 and Q41 will run a Jaguar OS variant code-named Blackrider. Like Smeagol, the build train for the Power Mac G5, Blackrider is a special version of Mac OS X 10.2.7 with hardware support for the new models.
A special variant of Jaguar for 7457s? I can't imagine why. Maybe IBM was 'sandbagging' a bit with their low-power 970s? Hmmm?
To me the most interesting bit of info from ThinkSecret is this:
A special variant of Jaguar for 7457s? I can't imagine why. Maybe IBM was 'sandbagging' a bit with their low-power 970s? Hmmm?
If that were the case I'll buy two. Also would make sense that on ly teh 15" and 17" are being updated to G5's becuase the 12" is too small for the heat until the .09
I buy software (even shareware utilities I don't HAVE to, but I use and enjoy and WANT to buy: Transmit, SnapzProX, Art Directors Toolkit, etc.).
I buy extended warranties. I buy accessories and doo-dads (many Apple branded).
I'm somehow evil for trying to save a few hundred bucks on a larger-than-normal purchase, taking the above into account? I don't know...I'm asking. For the record, I HAVEN'T gone the "education discount" route, okay?. And chances are, I won't. I like walking into the Apple Store and walking out with a cool box. And I don't have a student ID to show anyone at the register, so I couldn't do it anyway, see?
But if I did, is that like buying stolen Macs out of the trunk of a car in an alley somewhere? I'm not one of those "warez" guys, nor do I scour eBay looking for obviously scammed gear/merchandise.
What's the "one in every crowd" business, especially if you don't know much about me?
If you're going to fling out such a pithy zinger, at least fill in the blanks.
I buy software (even shareware utilities I don't HAVE to, but I use and enjoy and WANT to buy: Transmit, SnapzProX, Art Directors Toolkit, etc.).
I buy extended warranties. I buy accessories and doo-dads (many Apple branded).
I'm somehow evil for trying to save a few hundred bucks on a larger-than-normal purchase, taking the above into account? I don't know...I'm asking. For the record, I HAVEN'T gone the "education discount" route, okay?. And chances are, I won't. I like walking into the Apple Store and walking out with a cool box. And I don't have a student ID to show anyone at the register, so I couldn't do it anyway, see?
But if I did, is that like buying stolen Macs out of the trunk of a car in an alley somewhere? I'm not one of those "warez" guys, nor do I scour eBay looking for obviously scammed gear/merchandise.
What's the "one in every crowd" business, especially if you don't know much about me?
If you're going to fling out such a pithy zinger, at least fill in the blanks.
ok, so how is this not morally and ethically cut and dry?!
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"Who is Eligible To Purchase
The following education individuals are eligible to purchase through the Apple Store for Education individuals:
Faculty or staff member of a public or private Higher Education Institution in the United States
Student currently attending or accepted into a public or private Higher Education Institution in the United States
Qualifying purchases per academic school year (July 1 - June 30):
Power Mac, iMac, eMac, PowerBook, or iBook - One per year
Printers - One per year
Displays - Two per year
Software - Two per year
Agreement
I agree that I am a member of one of the defined groups above eligible to purchase and that the products being purchased direct from Apple Computer, Inc. are for my own personal, education, and/or research use. "
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I don't see anything in there about getting the discount if you pay for third-party shareware, or Apple "Doo-dads". Maybe I'm missing something?
In every legal sense, someone who does not qualify for this discount, but uses it anyway, is stealing $100, $150, whatever, from Apple. If you're ok with that, fine, go ahead. But don't try to pretend that it's not wrong, or search for approval from AI posters to make you feel justified.
Okay then. Cut and dry. I shall not do it (don't ever recall saying I WAS).
Some people seem to be easily able to bend stuff and justify anything. Didn't want to get reamed by the very people who own bootleg Photoshop 7...
I'm quite aware of those education buyer rules.
Here's a scenario to put into your moral/ethical blender: I just bought my friend (who IS a student...see the thread in General Discussion) a brand new iBook, 15GB iPod and AirPort card from the Atlanta Apple store 2 weeks ago.
However, it was a surprise for her (she was out of town) and I was able to take advantage of the Georgia tax holiday thing. No sales tax, so that was cool.
So it was a gift FOR a student (but since she was on the other side of the country and it was meant to be a surprise anyway), I wasn't able to use a student discount.
Now, what would be the rule on this: when I go to buy my PowerBook, what if she rode down to Atlanta with me and showed HER card and helped me with this purchase? She's currently pursuing her Masters at UTC (University of Tennesse at Chattanooga).
It's like "since we couldn't use the discount on her iBook purchase, could we use it for the PowerBook for me?".
That's a legit question. And I'm JUST ASKING, so knock it off with any snideness or flames. I'm genuinely curious...
I buy software (even shareware utilities I don't HAVE to, but I use and enjoy and WANT to buy: Transmit, SnapzProX, Art Directors Toolkit, etc.).
I buy extended warranties. I buy accessories and doo-dads (many Apple branded).
I'm somehow evil for trying to save a few hundred bucks on a larger-than-normal purchase, taking the above into account? I don't know...I'm asking. For the record, I HAVEN'T gone the "education discount" route, okay?. And chances are, I won't. I like walking into the Apple Store and walking out with a cool box. And I don't have a student ID to show anyone at the register, so I couldn't do it anyway, see?
But if I did, is that like buying stolen Macs out of the trunk of a car in an alley somewhere? I'm not one of those "warez" guys, nor do I scour eBay looking for obviously scammed gear/merchandise.
What's the "one in every crowd" business, especially if you don't know much about me?
If you're going to fling out such a pithy zinger, at least fill in the blanks.
<off-topic>
Well, if you read your post that I quoted when I made the comment; you basically said cheating is fair and you're not opposed to anyone doing it. I personally am opposed to those who lie and cheat to get what they want.
Then, you come back defending yourself saying you'd never do it. Not because you wouldn't but because you don't have a student ID, and you can't.
Please excuse the pre-judgement, and the off-topic remarks.</off-topic>
Yeah, I said I wouldn't do it because I don't have a card. I'm not a student, so I couldn't do it! If I WAS a student, it wouldn't be an issue then, would it?
I'm talking about people who would know how to angle it or fake an ID or whatever. Maybe they know something?
I don't have an "in" anyway, except the scenario noted above ("payback" from a friend's gift).
Where's the line on that, since a legitimate cash purchase (for a student) WAS made? That is the one, lone scenario I'd be genuinely curious about. Apple wouldn't be losing money, it would be more like a time-based transfer.
Again, just genuinely curious.
A good deed where I couldn't use a discount, even though it was for a student. Could said student - in a gesture of gratitude - help out on the other side? Is that a horrible thing, considering I paid full price for all her stuff ($1900)?
Perhaps I'll simply enroll in a course or two (Ethics, perhaps? ) at the local community college. That way, everyone can rest easy: me, you guys, Apple. I can take an automotive class and maybe a word processing one?
To me the most interesting bit of info from ThinkSecret is this:
A special variant of Jaguar for 7457s? I can't imagine why. Maybe IBM was 'sandbagging' a bit with their low-power 970s? Hmmm?
Anytime a new computer is released by Apple it requires a new build of the OS. That is why people sometimes have trouble installing the OS. They buy a new computer and try to install an off-the-shelf OS and find it doesn't install. Generally, on a Mac you can only install an OS which is newer than the hardware.
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Q16 and Q41 will run a Jaguar OS variant code-named Blackrider. Like Smeagol, the build train for the Power Mac G5, Blackrider is a special version of Mac OS X 10.2.7 with hardware support for the new models.
A special variant of Jaguar for 7457s? I can't imagine why. Maybe IBM was 'sandbagging' a bit with their low-power 970s? Hmmm?
Originally posted by 709
To me the most interesting bit of info from ThinkSecret is this:
A special variant of Jaguar for 7457s? I can't imagine why. Maybe IBM was 'sandbagging' a bit with their low-power 970s? Hmmm?
If that were the case I'll buy two. Also would make sense that on ly teh 15" and 17" are being updated to G5's becuase the 12" is too small for the heat until the .09
Originally posted by iDave
There's one in every crowd.
What do you mean? Care to elaborate?
I buy software (even shareware utilities I don't HAVE to, but I use and enjoy and WANT to buy: Transmit, SnapzProX, Art Directors Toolkit, etc.).
I buy extended warranties. I buy accessories and doo-dads (many Apple branded).
I'm somehow evil for trying to save a few hundred bucks on a larger-than-normal purchase, taking the above into account? I don't know...I'm asking. For the record, I HAVEN'T gone the "education discount" route, okay?. And chances are, I won't. I like walking into the Apple Store and walking out with a cool box. And I don't have a student ID to show anyone at the register, so I couldn't do it anyway, see?
But if I did, is that like buying stolen Macs out of the trunk of a car in an alley somewhere? I'm not one of those "warez" guys, nor do I scour eBay looking for obviously scammed gear/merchandise.
What's the "one in every crowd" business, especially if you don't know much about me?
If you're going to fling out such a pithy zinger, at least fill in the blanks.
Originally posted by pscates
What do you mean? Care to elaborate?
I buy software (even shareware utilities I don't HAVE to, but I use and enjoy and WANT to buy: Transmit, SnapzProX, Art Directors Toolkit, etc.).
I buy extended warranties. I buy accessories and doo-dads (many Apple branded).
I'm somehow evil for trying to save a few hundred bucks on a larger-than-normal purchase, taking the above into account? I don't know...I'm asking. For the record, I HAVEN'T gone the "education discount" route, okay?. And chances are, I won't. I like walking into the Apple Store and walking out with a cool box. And I don't have a student ID to show anyone at the register, so I couldn't do it anyway, see?
But if I did, is that like buying stolen Macs out of the trunk of a car in an alley somewhere? I'm not one of those "warez" guys, nor do I scour eBay looking for obviously scammed gear/merchandise.
What's the "one in every crowd" business, especially if you don't know much about me?
If you're going to fling out such a pithy zinger, at least fill in the blanks.
ok, so how is this not morally and ethically cut and dry?!
---------------
"Who is Eligible To Purchase
The following education individuals are eligible to purchase through the Apple Store for Education individuals:
Faculty or staff member of a public or private Higher Education Institution in the United States
Student currently attending or accepted into a public or private Higher Education Institution in the United States
Qualifying purchases per academic school year (July 1 - June 30):
Power Mac, iMac, eMac, PowerBook, or iBook - One per year
Printers - One per year
Displays - Two per year
Software - Two per year
Agreement
I agree that I am a member of one of the defined groups above eligible to purchase and that the products being purchased direct from Apple Computer, Inc. are for my own personal, education, and/or research use. "
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I don't see anything in there about getting the discount if you pay for third-party shareware, or Apple "Doo-dads". Maybe I'm missing something?
In every legal sense, someone who does not qualify for this discount, but uses it anyway, is stealing $100, $150, whatever, from Apple. If you're ok with that, fine, go ahead. But don't try to pretend that it's not wrong, or search for approval from AI posters to make you feel justified.
Some people seem to be easily able to bend stuff and justify anything. Didn't want to get reamed by the very people who own bootleg Photoshop 7...
I'm quite aware of those education buyer rules.
Here's a scenario to put into your moral/ethical blender: I just bought my friend (who IS a student...see the thread in General Discussion) a brand new iBook, 15GB iPod and AirPort card from the Atlanta Apple store 2 weeks ago.
However, it was a surprise for her (she was out of town) and I was able to take advantage of the Georgia tax holiday thing. No sales tax, so that was cool.
So it was a gift FOR a student (but since she was on the other side of the country and it was meant to be a surprise anyway), I wasn't able to use a student discount.
Now, what would be the rule on this: when I go to buy my PowerBook, what if she rode down to Atlanta with me and showed HER card and helped me with this purchase? She's currently pursuing her Masters at UTC (University of Tennesse at Chattanooga).
It's like "since we couldn't use the discount on her iBook purchase, could we use it for the PowerBook for me?".
That's a legit question. And I'm JUST ASKING, so knock it off with any snideness or flames. I'm genuinely curious...
Relax. It ain't going to happen anyway. Put down your judgement stick, all of you.
By the way, Apple "doodads" are subject to discount, I believe. Saw a few listed.
Originally posted by pscates
What do you mean? Care to elaborate?
I buy software (even shareware utilities I don't HAVE to, but I use and enjoy and WANT to buy: Transmit, SnapzProX, Art Directors Toolkit, etc.).
I buy extended warranties. I buy accessories and doo-dads (many Apple branded).
I'm somehow evil for trying to save a few hundred bucks on a larger-than-normal purchase, taking the above into account? I don't know...I'm asking. For the record, I HAVEN'T gone the "education discount" route, okay?. And chances are, I won't. I like walking into the Apple Store and walking out with a cool box. And I don't have a student ID to show anyone at the register, so I couldn't do it anyway, see?
But if I did, is that like buying stolen Macs out of the trunk of a car in an alley somewhere? I'm not one of those "warez" guys, nor do I scour eBay looking for obviously scammed gear/merchandise.
What's the "one in every crowd" business, especially if you don't know much about me?
If you're going to fling out such a pithy zinger, at least fill in the blanks.
<off-topic>
Well, if you read your post that I quoted when I made the comment; you basically said cheating is fair and you're not opposed to anyone doing it. I personally am opposed to those who lie and cheat to get what they want.
Then, you come back defending yourself saying you'd never do it. Not because you wouldn't but because you don't have a student ID, and you can't.
Please excuse the pre-judgement, and the off-topic remarks.</off-topic>
I'm talking about people who would know how to angle it or fake an ID or whatever. Maybe they know something?
I don't have an "in" anyway, except the scenario noted above ("payback" from a friend's gift).
Where's the line on that, since a legitimate cash purchase (for a student) WAS made? That is the one, lone scenario I'd be genuinely curious about. Apple wouldn't be losing money, it would be more like a time-based transfer.
Again, just genuinely curious.
A good deed where I couldn't use a discount, even though it was for a student. Could said student - in a gesture of gratitude - help out on the other side? Is that a horrible thing, considering I paid full price for all her stuff ($1900)?
Perhaps I'll simply enroll in a course or two (Ethics, perhaps?
Originally posted by 709
To me the most interesting bit of info from ThinkSecret is this:
A special variant of Jaguar for 7457s? I can't imagine why. Maybe IBM was 'sandbagging' a bit with their low-power 970s? Hmmm?
Anytime a new computer is released by Apple it requires a new build of the OS. That is why people sometimes have trouble installing the OS. They buy a new computer and try to install an off-the-shelf OS and find it doesn't install. Generally, on a Mac you can only install an OS which is newer than the hardware.
Go quietly into the night, dear thread.
But what's that part about the "poor nVidia support for Apple"?
My burning question is: How much???
Originally posted by pscates
Wow!
But what's that part about the "poor nVidia support for Apple"?
Um... if you havent noticed nvidea cards suck. ATI is a world better
Originally posted by pscates
Wow!
But what's that part about the "poor nVidia support for Apple"?
I have a GForceTi and the drivers are from June 2002. That's the best they can do (and it cost $400)?, Nvidiasucks...
Maybe I haven't noticed any nVidia suckitude just because it doesn't affect what I do?
Originally posted by ast3r3x
All I want is 15" AlBook with backlit keyboard...anything else is just gravy
I think it'll probably have that...I hope.
There's so much anticipation for this release that I fear many may be let down.
If it's "merely" a speed bumped 1.25 GHz G4, I wonder how many people will still hold off until PB's are equipped with a G5 chip.
Originally posted by satchmo
I think it'll probably have that...I hope.
There's so much anticipation for this release that I fear many may be let down.
If it's "merely" a speed bumped 1.25 GHz G4, I wonder how many people will still hold off until PB's are equipped with a G5 chip.
If it's just a speed bump. I'll hold off until the G5... might anyway.