Sorry, Apple is just as responsible for not negotiating a deal and doing whatever it took to get the NYC contract. Even a loss on every machine given to the NYC Dept of Ed would have been a benefit to Apple.
Who says they haven't? But if the other side goes even lower (or they have decided on Dells no matter what), they can't do much.
No Mac guys in IT. This has happened 1st because Macs have a low marketshare to begin with, 2nd because so many Mac users are "creative" types who, like it or not, often don't know jack about computers, and 3rd because until recently Apple did not have an OS that could be taken seriously. No one running and doing serious things with NT4/Win2k is going to switch to OS 9.
#1 is not changing much. It may even be getting worse(possibly the G5 will change that)
#3 with OS X serious computers users/IT people are starting to consider Macs. They are still seen as too expensive, which is true, but they're also seen as real machines for doing real work(i.e. not just Photoshop - you may not think this is fair but I think its true - OS 9 was not an OS you'd use to administer/monitor other computers)
So...where do we go from here? I think a lot of that is up to Apple. I really think once the initial G5 demand wears off, Apple needs to start throwing G5s into all their machines and really cutting down the Tower pricing. How can these types of decisions get reversed? Simple - if the IT people making the decisions are already using and liking a Mac.
BTW, making it possible for people to build their own Macs would help this as well. If Apple could do this in such a way that there were no clones, only individuals building computers for themselves, I think it would draw in more technical people without cannibalizing Apple's marketshare.
Apple (and Apple owners) have also had an adversarial relationship with IT for a long time now. The suits were slow to forget "Lemmings," because it was so painfully true. It didn't help that the Mac itself was unhelpful to IT people - both the honest sort who wanted to be able to easily configure and manage networks of machines (which was easy with Macs only if everything was a Mac) and the dishonest sort that push flaky systems on people to guarantee their job security and consolidate power. However much I personally enjoyed Apple's razzing of corporate IT, it didn't get them anywhere (to understate). The white robed priesthood must be placated.
Now, Apple is actively courting IT, and OS X is almost to the point where it seamlessly bridges the apparently conflicting goals of a system that anybody can set up and network easily, and a system that IT can set up and network easily. It's a vastly better network citizen in many respects (not least of which is the inherent support for multiple users), and for the first time ever it's a solid general-purpose server OS right out of the box.
From a platform growth perspective, winning over IT is huge, because if you sell to one IT director, you sell tens of thousands of machines - and then the people who use them buy for home use what they have at work. This is what IBM and Microsoft realized long since, and what Apple was a bit too countercultural (and, to be fair, a bit too handicapped by MacOS) to exploit. Now they appear to be able to accomodate IT departments without selling out the goal of being simple and stable enough not to require an IT department in the first place.
I'm trying to talk my mom into writing a few letters to various people and Apple. But at the same time, it's probably not the best idea to make a lot of noise and draw a lot of attention to herself, especially if others don't complain. Not saying she'd get reprimanded or anything but its usually not accepted for administrators to speak out against the dept of ed.
She's pretty pissed off about the Dell guys taking over the Apple service though. So, she wants to call Apple about that.
As for the Apple not taking the initiative on this..... well, i don't know what happened here obviously but from past experience Apple has often had a way of saying fine, if you don't want us, we're too good for you anyway, and then moving on not realizing the effects of doing so.
I work in IT in Upstate NY and support 30 school districts in the area. I know A LOT of IT people in education.
These people are NOT buying Dell and Windows for job security. The fact is, most of the IT guys are, um...not very technical. Schools don't pay IT people well, and you get what you pay for. They buy PCs because they don't know anything about Macs (or PCs for that matter). Anyway, they've actually seen Windows before, so they buy that and don't want to bother (or aren't smart enough) to learn anything new.
The school districts here are free to buy whatever (Mac or PC) that they want. There are some Mac districts, but another problem (at least in NY) is that there are Apps written/bought by the state that State Ed requires districts to run, and they are all written for Windows (DOS actually, but that's a totally different rant).
IT people in schools buy PCs because they THINK it's going to make their life easier (they're lazy too).
My mom told me today that for the upcoming school year they are only allowed to order Dells and that the new IT guys hired for the new education district layouts are Dell guys and they even handle existing Apple service and support.
This is an extremely sad day and a MAJOR loss for Apple.
Before this, NYC had always left it up to the district, or even the school in many cases for which platform to purchase. My mother's district had always been 100% Mac and had very Pro-Apple evangelistical district technology gurus. With Bloomberg's restructuring of the education system they all got fired and replaced apparently with these Dell droids.
So, now my mother's school, which is 100% mac, has an Xserve coming in September, has literally hundreds of new iMacs and iBooks and thousands of dollars in mac software, must buy new Dells and PC software from now on. Not to mention the productivity loss since the teacher's will not be familiar with the PCs. Many of the teachers in her school have bought Macs for their own use over the years since its what they used at work.
I'm utterly dissapointed in Apple that they apparently did not make a true effort at winning the NYC contract. NYC is a hell of a lot bigger and attention getting then wealthy school districts in Virginia and maine
This is not surprising. Folks, Apple is going to eventually lose education completely.
With schools becoming more and more like businesses, to them it just makes sense to move to PCs.
My wife is a first grade teacher. Her school system went from Apple to Dell. The computers in that school are needed for Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access, Outlook, FrontPage, Publisher, and IE that is all. What is Apple going to compete with? AppleWorks, iCal, and Safari? Microsoft will give away Office if it means Windows is OS. Not true for Mac Office.
There is no way for Apple to compete against a cheap Dell box running Windows XP, Office XP, and IE. Period. End of story.
Besides, why is everyone so concerned about education anyway? Schools don't have money most of the time to support itself, much alone computer systems. My wife's school system replaced Apple II's, Performa's, and early Macintoshes. Is Apple that bad off losing that school system as a customer? I think not.
Apple once ruled education, where did that get them? Near death. Apple needs to focus on consumers, artists, and business, period. If more and more business start to use Mac's then guess what? You will start to see more and more Mac's going back into schools.
When I keep telling people, nobody listens. There's a major problem with the perception of technology in the classroom, people don't know what to do with it, so stupid ideas like 'teach office to students as workplace preparation' take precedence. Silly, but it can be helped with better prices. Schools just can not afford to buy macs, the cost of entry is too high, and the institutional prices (at least in toronto area boards) are not too special at all, not matter what volume you want to buy.
There is no willingness amongst bureaucrats/administrators to fight for pedagogical issues when the price of principle is so damned high. Wintels are substantially cheaper, IT gets paid whether the machines have problems or not (unions) so it really doesn't matter how reliable the machines may or may not be, the cost of entry is waht gets them to commit. That, and M$ actually gets the per seat prices way down for edu. I get my copy of Windows and Office for next to nothing via the board.
At this point the only option Apple has is to get a substantially cheaper eMac or AFFORDABLE headless machine AND their own version of a fully "Office" compatible open standards based suite out with each and every mac. Then, if licensing hassles could bee overcome, Apple might have a shot at winning back some sales, otherwise they're dead in edu, just a matter of time.
Tell the IT guys to have fun in 3 or 4 months when half the Dells are broken. My school district is also moving to Dells (except Yearbook and Video Arts). I hate it, they always break and they are POS.
Your Yearbook/Video production classes are lucky -- our ENTIRE district went Dell, regardless of class type. Can you imagine using Quark XPress or PageMaker, not to mention AfterEffects or Final Cut on Windows? Ugh. It makes me sick, absolutely sick. These lunatics had just spent almost FIVE YEARS training their teachers with the new online grading and attendance systems on Macintosh, and then they do this. I don't care how cost effective it appears, it is horrible for the teachers whose job it is to TEACH and not have to learn a new operating environment. At this point the debate is when does IT in education actually begin to detract from its (education's) quality rather than adding to it?
My university has done well to integrate technology where it meets everyone's needs very flexibly, allowing users of most all operating systems to coexist happily. Our central computing core even has quite a large portion of its lab still dedicated to Macintosh (nice, bright eMacs lined up in several rows).
Matsu is absolutely right about the dubious pedagogical advantage any computers might have.
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Silly, but it can be helped with better prices. Schools just can not afford to buy macs, the cost of entry is too high, and the institutional prices (at least in toronto area boards) are not too special at all, not matter what volume you want to buy.
Apple does make deals to schools on these bids. I mean really really low prices for the hardware, often throwing in a ton of software (the non-free variety too), a bunch of free support, etc.
So depressing. Schools are being run more and more like large businesses, and (besides offering lower prices, which Apple does, for large orders) and the new Office education pricing, which can only help, it seems Apple's only long-term chance of turning the tide in the education market is to become much more enterprise-friendly.
They've come a long way in becoming more respected in IT circles with OS X, but they still have a huge way to go... especially perception-wise. It seems it'll take years and years to sink in that a Mac is now a BSD with Office, lots of peripheral support, and a great UI.
Higher ed. is going to be the first battle, before K-12. It's slightly cheering to note that the list of particpants at macosxlabs.org has been growing.
I dunno if the situation is different in the US. I imagine that it might be, but then I think that it might be similar to Canada. We do NOT get a great discount at all. Decisions are made on a school by school basis so mebbe big enough orders never go in? Like just about everything else, requests/orders are put in a queue and then individual schools wait... and wait... Knowing the people who would make these decsions in different boards, I know that the deals we get are pretty much a case of "That's the edu price, take it or leave it." Mebbe if our bureaucracy was organized to buy 10000+ machines at a time, that might be different. I asked a very mac centric edu consultant about it last year -- a very smart guy and one of the few who has a clue about using computers to actually create a learning experience, BTW -- he said that the last time he saw really low prices from Apple was with blow out CRT iMacs! And by then the same money was buying 17" CRT's and towers with all the relevant (read: M$ OFFICE) software thrown in.
Sorry, Apple is just as responsible for not negotiating a deal and doing whatever it took to get the NYC contract. Even a loss on every machine given to the NYC Dept of Ed would have been a benefit to Apple.
Yes, but do you know for sure that Apple was even considered by the hire ups??? Apple can offer things all they want, but if the hire-ups dont want it(look at the group that won the free macs and laser printers)...
The situation in New York isn't just computers, it is everything from textbooks to hamburger.
The amalgamation lets the massive NY school system negotiate huge discounts based on scale alone. One massive district has alot more negotiating power than a bunch of smaller ones. Unfortunately Apple wouldn't play ball so they walked away (as they so often do these days) from another huge education market.
Ironically and unfortunately for Apple, Mac OS X is part of the problem - which it might win the acclaim of unix geeks, it as a platform is a technical support and backend NIGHTMARE. The nice thing about Mac OS 9 was how modular it was, and any idiot with a copy of Macs For Dummies could fix most problems. Any idiot can trash their prefrences folder or drag some extensions into the extensions folder.
In Mac OS X, once you are down several layers you are up to your neck in Unix. With Mac OS X the days of the super teacher being able to support the whole Mac infrastructure are gone. Now Macs require the same backend support as large PC installations do. And if your going to need that support infrastructure anyway you might as well go with the cheaper platform. It is just that simple.
It's unfortunate that Apple is abandoning education, I am not entirely sure who exactly they plan on selling Macs to these days but they have priced themselves out of the education and consumer markets, alienating their pro markets and only picking up the odd unix geek.
Yes, but do you know for sure that Apple was even considered by the hire ups??? Apple can offer things all they want, but if the hire-ups dont want it(look at the group that won the free macs and laser printers)...
Anyone could bid, it was an open tender.
Apple walked away, and Dell jumped in their place.
Apple does make deals to schools on these bids. I mean really really low prices for the hardware, often throwing in a ton of software (the non-free variety too), a bunch of free support, etc.
Unless your buying 10,000 systems and some support package your going by the education price list, which is a complete joke.
Ironically and unfortunately for Apple, Mac OS X is part of the problem - which it might win the acclaim of unix geeks, it as a platform is a technical support and backend NIGHTMARE.
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In Mac OS X, once you are down several layers you are up to your neck in Unix. With Mac OS X the days of the super teacher being able to support the whole Mac infrastructure are gone. Now Macs require the same backend support as large PC installations do.
BS! People will learn the new OS - it's not that hard.
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Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
It's unfortunate that Apple is abandoning education, I am not entirely sure who exactly they plan on selling Macs to these days but they have priced themselves out of the education and consumer markets,
And that must be why market share in the consumer market has gone up.
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alienating their pro markets and only picking up the odd unix geek.
Now, Apple is actively courting IT, and OS X is almost to the point where it seamlessly bridges the apparently conflicting goals of a system that anybody can set up and network easily, and a system that IT can set up and network easily. It's a vastly better network citizen in many respects (not least of which is the inherent support for multiple users), and for the first time ever it's a solid general-purpose server OS right out of the box.
From a platform growth perspective, winning over IT is huge, because if you sell to one IT director, you sell tens of thousands of machines - and then the people who use them buy for home use what they have at work. This is what IBM and Microsoft realized long since, and what Apple was a bit too countercultural (and, to be fair, a bit too handicapped by MacOS) to exploit. Now they appear to be able to accomodate IT departments without selling out the goal of being simple and stable enough not to require an IT department in the first place.
Thumbs up
And Panther Server is aimed straight at the enterprise market.
I see it happening every day first hand, your just a crazed Apple apologist who would defend Apple if they started shipping a live pipebomb with every mac
Apple marketshare has reached an all time low of 1.8%. get a clue.
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Originally posted by applenut
Sorry, Apple is just as responsible for not negotiating a deal and doing whatever it took to get the NYC contract. Even a loss on every machine given to the NYC Dept of Ed would have been a benefit to Apple.
Who says they haven't? But if the other side goes even lower (or they have decided on Dells no matter what), they can't do much.
No Mac guys in IT. This has happened 1st because Macs have a low marketshare to begin with, 2nd because so many Mac users are "creative" types who, like it or not, often don't know jack about computers, and 3rd because until recently Apple did not have an OS that could be taken seriously. No one running and doing serious things with NT4/Win2k is going to switch to OS 9.
#1 is not changing much. It may even be getting worse(possibly the G5 will change that)
#2 is changing somewhat because
#3 with OS X serious computers users/IT people are starting to consider Macs. They are still seen as too expensive, which is true, but they're also seen as real machines for doing real work(i.e. not just Photoshop - you may not think this is fair but I think its true - OS 9 was not an OS you'd use to administer/monitor other computers)
So...where do we go from here? I think a lot of that is up to Apple. I really think once the initial G5 demand wears off, Apple needs to start throwing G5s into all their machines and really cutting down the Tower pricing. How can these types of decisions get reversed? Simple - if the IT people making the decisions are already using and liking a Mac.
BTW, making it possible for people to build their own Macs would help this as well. If Apple could do this in such a way that there were no clones, only individuals building computers for themselves, I think it would draw in more technical people without cannibalizing Apple's marketshare.
Now, Apple is actively courting IT, and OS X is almost to the point where it seamlessly bridges the apparently conflicting goals of a system that anybody can set up and network easily, and a system that IT can set up and network easily. It's a vastly better network citizen in many respects (not least of which is the inherent support for multiple users), and for the first time ever it's a solid general-purpose server OS right out of the box.
From a platform growth perspective, winning over IT is huge, because if you sell to one IT director, you sell tens of thousands of machines - and then the people who use them buy for home use what they have at work. This is what IBM and Microsoft realized long since, and what Apple was a bit too countercultural (and, to be fair, a bit too handicapped by MacOS) to exploit. Now they appear to be able to accomodate IT departments without selling out the goal of being simple and stable enough not to require an IT department in the first place.
She's pretty pissed off about the Dell guys taking over the Apple service though. So, she wants to call Apple about that.
As for the Apple not taking the initiative on this..... well, i don't know what happened here obviously but from past experience Apple has often had a way of saying fine, if you don't want us, we're too good for you anyway, and then moving on not realizing the effects of doing so.
Originally posted by crayz
You want to know the real problem? Honestly?
No Mac guys in IT.
This is absolutely true.
I work in IT in Upstate NY and support 30 school districts in the area. I know A LOT of IT people in education.
These people are NOT buying Dell and Windows for job security. The fact is, most of the IT guys are, um...not very technical. Schools don't pay IT people well, and you get what you pay for. They buy PCs because they don't know anything about Macs (or PCs for that matter). Anyway, they've actually seen Windows before, so they buy that and don't want to bother (or aren't smart enough) to learn anything new.
The school districts here are free to buy whatever (Mac or PC) that they want. There are some Mac districts, but another problem (at least in NY) is that there are Apps written/bought by the state that State Ed requires districts to run, and they are all written for Windows (DOS actually, but that's a totally different rant).
IT people in schools buy PCs because they THINK it's going to make their life easier (they're lazy too).
I could go on, but I'll shut up now.
Originally posted by applenut
My mom told me today that for the upcoming school year they are only allowed to order Dells and that the new IT guys hired for the new education district layouts are Dell guys and they even handle existing Apple service and support.
This is an extremely sad day and a MAJOR loss for Apple.
Before this, NYC had always left it up to the district, or even the school in many cases for which platform to purchase. My mother's district had always been 100% Mac and had very Pro-Apple evangelistical district technology gurus. With Bloomberg's restructuring of the education system they all got fired and replaced apparently with these Dell droids.
So, now my mother's school, which is 100% mac, has an Xserve coming in September, has literally hundreds of new iMacs and iBooks and thousands of dollars in mac software, must buy new Dells and PC software from now on. Not to mention the productivity loss since the teacher's will not be familiar with the PCs. Many of the teachers in her school have bought Macs for their own use over the years since its what they used at work.
I'm utterly dissapointed in Apple that they apparently did not make a true effort at winning the NYC contract. NYC is a hell of a lot bigger and attention getting then wealthy school districts in Virginia and maine
This is not surprising. Folks, Apple is going to eventually lose education completely.
With schools becoming more and more like businesses, to them it just makes sense to move to PCs.
My wife is a first grade teacher. Her school system went from Apple to Dell. The computers in that school are needed for Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access, Outlook, FrontPage, Publisher, and IE that is all. What is Apple going to compete with? AppleWorks, iCal, and Safari? Microsoft will give away Office if it means Windows is OS. Not true for Mac Office.
There is no way for Apple to compete against a cheap Dell box running Windows XP, Office XP, and IE. Period. End of story.
Besides, why is everyone so concerned about education anyway? Schools don't have money most of the time to support itself, much alone computer systems. My wife's school system replaced Apple II's, Performa's, and early Macintoshes. Is Apple that bad off losing that school system as a customer? I think not.
Apple once ruled education, where did that get them? Near death. Apple needs to focus on consumers, artists, and business, period. If more and more business start to use Mac's then guess what? You will start to see more and more Mac's going back into schools.
There is no willingness amongst bureaucrats/administrators to fight for pedagogical issues when the price of principle is so damned high. Wintels are substantially cheaper, IT gets paid whether the machines have problems or not (unions) so it really doesn't matter how reliable the machines may or may not be, the cost of entry is waht gets them to commit. That, and M$ actually gets the per seat prices way down for edu. I get my copy of Windows and Office for next to nothing via the board.
At this point the only option Apple has is to get a substantially cheaper eMac or AFFORDABLE headless machine AND their own version of a fully "Office" compatible open standards based suite out with each and every mac. Then, if licensing hassles could bee overcome, Apple might have a shot at winning back some sales, otherwise they're dead in edu, just a matter of time.
Originally posted by adpowers
Tell the IT guys to have fun in 3 or 4 months when half the Dells are broken. My school district is also moving to Dells (except Yearbook and Video Arts). I hate it, they always break and they are POS.
Your Yearbook/Video production classes are lucky -- our ENTIRE district went Dell, regardless of class type. Can you imagine using Quark XPress or PageMaker, not to mention AfterEffects or Final Cut on Windows? Ugh. It makes me sick, absolutely sick. These lunatics had just spent almost FIVE YEARS training their teachers with the new online grading and attendance systems on Macintosh, and then they do this. I don't care how cost effective it appears, it is horrible for the teachers whose job it is to TEACH and not have to learn a new operating environment. At this point the debate is when does IT in education actually begin to detract from its (education's) quality rather than adding to it?
My university has done well to integrate technology where it meets everyone's needs very flexibly, allowing users of most all operating systems to coexist happily. Our central computing core even has quite a large portion of its lab still dedicated to Macintosh (nice, bright eMacs lined up in several rows).
Sigh.
Originally posted by Matsu
Silly, but it can be helped with better prices. Schools just can not afford to buy macs, the cost of entry is too high, and the institutional prices (at least in toronto area boards) are not too special at all, not matter what volume you want to buy.
Apple does make deals to schools on these bids. I mean really really low prices for the hardware, often throwing in a ton of software (the non-free variety too), a bunch of free support, etc.
They've come a long way in becoming more respected in IT circles with OS X, but they still have a huge way to go... especially perception-wise. It seems it'll take years and years to sink in that a Mac is now a BSD with Office, lots of peripheral support, and a great UI.
Higher ed. is going to be the first battle, before K-12. It's slightly cheering to note that the list of particpants at macosxlabs.org has been growing.
Originally posted by applenut
Sorry, Apple is just as responsible for not negotiating a deal and doing whatever it took to get the NYC contract. Even a loss on every machine given to the NYC Dept of Ed would have been a benefit to Apple.
Yes, but do you know for sure that Apple was even considered by the hire ups??? Apple can offer things all they want, but if the hire-ups dont want it(look at the group that won the free macs and laser printers)...
The amalgamation lets the massive NY school system negotiate huge discounts based on scale alone. One massive district has alot more negotiating power than a bunch of smaller ones. Unfortunately Apple wouldn't play ball so they walked away (as they so often do these days) from another huge education market.
Ironically and unfortunately for Apple, Mac OS X is part of the problem - which it might win the acclaim of unix geeks, it as a platform is a technical support and backend NIGHTMARE. The nice thing about Mac OS 9 was how modular it was, and any idiot with a copy of Macs For Dummies could fix most problems. Any idiot can trash their prefrences folder or drag some extensions into the extensions folder.
In Mac OS X, once you are down several layers you are up to your neck in Unix. With Mac OS X the days of the super teacher being able to support the whole Mac infrastructure are gone. Now Macs require the same backend support as large PC installations do. And if your going to need that support infrastructure anyway you might as well go with the cheaper platform. It is just that simple.
It's unfortunate that Apple is abandoning education, I am not entirely sure who exactly they plan on selling Macs to these days but they have priced themselves out of the education and consumer markets, alienating their pro markets and only picking up the odd unix geek.
Originally posted by The General
Yes, but do you know for sure that Apple was even considered by the hire ups??? Apple can offer things all they want, but if the hire-ups dont want it(look at the group that won the free macs and laser printers)...
Anyone could bid, it was an open tender.
Apple walked away, and Dell jumped in their place.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Apple does make deals to schools on these bids. I mean really really low prices for the hardware, often throwing in a ton of software (the non-free variety too), a bunch of free support, etc.
Unless your buying 10,000 systems and some support package your going by the education price list, which is a complete joke.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Ironically and unfortunately for Apple, Mac OS X is part of the problem - which it might win the acclaim of unix geeks, it as a platform is a technical support and backend NIGHTMARE.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
In Mac OS X, once you are down several layers you are up to your neck in Unix. With Mac OS X the days of the super teacher being able to support the whole Mac infrastructure are gone. Now Macs require the same backend support as large PC installations do.
BS! People will learn the new OS - it's not that hard.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
It's unfortunate that Apple is abandoning education, I am not entirely sure who exactly they plan on selling Macs to these days but they have priced themselves out of the education and consumer markets,
And that must be why market share in the consumer market has gone up.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
alienating their pro markets and only picking up the odd unix geek.
Alienating pros? Get real!
Originally posted by Amorph
Now, Apple is actively courting IT, and OS X is almost to the point where it seamlessly bridges the apparently conflicting goals of a system that anybody can set up and network easily, and a system that IT can set up and network easily. It's a vastly better network citizen in many respects (not least of which is the inherent support for multiple users), and for the first time ever it's a solid general-purpose server OS right out of the box.
From a platform growth perspective, winning over IT is huge, because if you sell to one IT director, you sell tens of thousands of machines - and then the people who use them buy for home use what they have at work. This is what IBM and Microsoft realized long since, and what Apple was a bit too countercultural (and, to be fair, a bit too handicapped by MacOS) to exploit. Now they appear to be able to accomodate IT departments without selling out the goal of being simple and stable enough not to require an IT department in the first place.
Thumbs up
And Panther Server is aimed straight at the enterprise market.
I see it happening every day first hand, your just a crazed Apple apologist who would defend Apple if they started shipping a live pipebomb with every mac
Apple marketshare has reached an all time low of 1.8%. get a clue.