I see it happening every day first hand, your just a crazed Apple apologist who would defend Apple if they started shipping a live pipebomb with every mac
Apple marketshare has reached an all time low of 1.8%. get a clue.
perhaps but your OS X tech support rant was one of the dumbest things I've seen posted here in a while.
As a worldwide number that seems pretty realistic actually. US marketshare and world wide marketshare are two different things. There are areas of Europe which are virtually devoid of macs, let alone the rest of the world.
Absolutely Grover, I love spending other people's money as much as the next guy, but I don't think that anyone is hurting their kids or students if in exchange for making them use windows they save a ton of money that can be used for other boring stuff like school repairs, lunch programs, text books, art supplies, special ed resources, security... etc etc
if in exchange for making them use windows they save a ton of money that can be used for other boring stuff like school repairs, lunch programs, text books, art supplies, special ed resources, security... etc etc
I see it happening every day first hand, your just a crazed Apple apologist who would defend Apple if they started shipping a live pipebomb with every mac
We just migrated 100 users from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X which has resulted in fewer problems and less support.
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Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Apple marketshare has reached an all time low of 1.8%. get a clue.
I talk about consumer market share, and you talk about overall market share. Not even the correct numbers:
"Apple remained stagnant at 2.3 percent of the worldwide market, according to Gartner Dataquest and IDC."
Apple walked away, and Dell jumped in their place.
and you know this how??? I work in IT and i can tell you the people at the bottom(teachers, dr's,ect) no NOTHING of why most things happen, they guess, assume, or beleive BS that the IT managers tell them.
and you know this how??? I work in IT and i can tell you the people at the bottom(teachers, dr's,ect) no NOTHING of why most things happen, they guess, assume, or beleive BS that the IT managers tell them.
Don't question what Stagflation Steve says - he is always right, the little computer seller knows everything.
What you shameless Mac OS X boosters fail to appreciate is that YOU ARE NOT AVERAGE MAC USERS, what might be easy and straight forward to you, is damn near impossible or indecipherable to the average mac users. Any idiot could administer AppleShare IP, the same can not be said for Mac OS X server. Any idiot could fix most problems in Mac OS 9 by trashing or draging a few files. The same can not be said for Mac OS X.
The appeal of the Mac for so many was it's simplicity and ease of use, Mac OS X eliminates most of that.
In Mac OS 9 it's "Hmm, my mac crashes when it's booting and tries to load that extension, maybe I should delete that extension"
In Mac OS X it's a Windows style "Screen Of Death" and the users reaction is "What the ****?"
Apple abandoned the education market and it is that simple, don't complain that Dell is picking up their old business. No one forced Apple to abandon education, they did it all on their own. It's no ones fault by their own that they don't understand the market outside wasp northern california.
Uh, you shouldn't be surprised or offended that a place like AppleInsider has a bunch of "shameless Mac boosters." Frankly, I don't really see it that way anyway, but don't get in a frenzy tilting at windmills in any case.
The Apple marketshare numbers remind me a lot of the old MHz myth. While not entirely untrue, there's a ton of fudge room and other info that needs to be taken into account. People trying to draw conclusions from these numbers are standing on one leg.
You really must not take all of this so personally.
ny idiot could administer AppleShare IP, the same can not be said for Mac OS X server.
Mac OS X Server ain't that much more complex bud. Just has more powerful options. If you want tit o be complex it can be. If you want to set up a quick workgroup server it isn't more difficult at all.
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ny idiot could fix most problems in Mac OS 9 by trashing or draging a few files.
utterly wrong..... you start talking extensions and extensions manager with people and they get turned off and say the mac sucks. Mac OS 9 would lock up for no reason at all. Virtual memory was shit. If a bad app crashed everything crashed. Doing too muc on it would make the system unstable.
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n Mac OS 9 it's "Hmm, my mac crashes when it's booting and tries to load that extension, maybe I should delete that extension"
In Mac OS X it's a Windows style "Screen Of Death" and the users reaction is "What the ****?"
not it's, Mac OS X doesn't use extensions anymore, has protected memory, and you're likely to never see a crash when using it.
For the record, OS X has made things much simler to manage here. We've got an Xserve coming in September. We already have several imac labs running Jaguar and iBooks as well. The teachers like it better, the students are having a much easier time. And we don't get, ITS FROZEN, complaints anymore.
For you to say OS X is a tech nightmare because OS 9 had extensions that could easily be turned off when a problem arises is just.....well..... stupid.
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Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Your full of shit JLL
I see it happening every day first hand, your just a crazed Apple apologist who would defend Apple if they started shipping a live pipebomb with every mac
Apple marketshare has reached an all time low of 1.8%. get a clue.
perhaps but your OS X tech support rant was one of the dumbest things I've seen posted here in a while.
So, you both need to come back down to earth.
if in exchange for making them use windows they save a ton of money that can be used for other boring stuff like school repairs, lunch programs, text books, art supplies, special ed resources, security... etc etc
or more IT staff.
But Mac OS X also needs more IT staff that did older versions of Mac OS, so the end difference is minimal.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Your full of shit JLL
I see it happening every day first hand, your just a crazed Apple apologist who would defend Apple if they started shipping a live pipebomb with every mac
We just migrated 100 users from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X which has resulted in fewer problems and less support.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Apple marketshare has reached an all time low of 1.8%. get a clue.
I talk about consumer market share, and you talk about overall market share.
"Apple remained stagnant at 2.3 percent of the worldwide market, according to Gartner Dataquest and IDC."
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
As it exists today, Mac OS X requires more support than any version of Windows since 3.1
Perhaps you should buy a Mac OS X for Dummies if it exists.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
But Mac OS X also needs more IT staff that did older versions of Mac OS, so the end difference is minimal.
You make me laugh.
In a Detroit Free Press article from July 18th:
When the school year begins, 37,000 students and teachers at 241 schools will be using the Apple iBook laptops, Sprague said.
http://www.freep.com/news/education/laps18_20030718.htm
Also, there was an article last year in Business Week Online discussing the "Anti-Mac Corporate Conspiracy".
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Anyone could bid, it was an open tender.
Apple walked away, and Dell jumped in their place.
and you know this how??? I work in IT and i can tell you the people at the bottom(teachers, dr's,ect) no NOTHING of why most things happen, they guess, assume, or beleive BS that the IT managers tell them.
Originally posted by The General
and you know this how??? I work in IT and i can tell you the people at the bottom(teachers, dr's,ect) no NOTHING of why most things happen, they guess, assume, or beleive BS that the IT managers tell them.
Don't question what Stagflation Steve says - he is always right, the little computer seller knows everything.
Mac OS 9 rulz!
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
As it exists today, Mac OS X requires more support than any version of Windows since 3.1
Back it up. Is it as easy as 9? No, harder than windows, HELL NO. back it up. anyone can say stuff without backing anything up..
OSX is harder to support than Chickens.. so thats why people use chickens at school..
Originally posted by JLL
Don't question what Stagflation Steve says - he is always right, the little computer seller knows everything.
Mac OS 9 rulz!
well I have known many little computer sellers, some are good, and some I wouldn't even take a peice of candy from for free!
What you shameless Mac OS X boosters fail to appreciate is that YOU ARE NOT AVERAGE MAC USERS, what might be easy and straight forward to you, is damn near impossible or indecipherable to the average mac users. Any idiot could administer AppleShare IP, the same can not be said for Mac OS X server. Any idiot could fix most problems in Mac OS 9 by trashing or draging a few files. The same can not be said for Mac OS X.
The appeal of the Mac for so many was it's simplicity and ease of use, Mac OS X eliminates most of that.
In Mac OS 9 it's "Hmm, my mac crashes when it's booting and tries to load that extension, maybe I should delete that extension"
In Mac OS X it's a Windows style "Screen Of Death" and the users reaction is "What the ****?"
Apple abandoned the education market and it is that simple, don't complain that Dell is picking up their old business. No one forced Apple to abandon education, they did it all on their own. It's no ones fault by their own that they don't understand the market outside wasp northern california.
The Apple marketshare numbers remind me a lot of the old MHz myth. While not entirely untrue, there's a ton of fudge room and other info that needs to be taken into account. People trying to draw conclusions from these numbers are standing on one leg.
You really must not take all of this so personally.
[edit: what's the contraction for "must not"?]
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Any idiot could administer AppleShare IP, the same can not be said for Mac OS X server.
If you only use Mac OS X Server for the same things as ASIP it's basically just as easy.
Let's look at file sharing:
Open Workgroup Manager. Add users and groups. Click on Sharing. Click on folder you want to share. Enable sharing and set owner and group.
Click Save.
This:
is easier than this?:
Unlike ASIP you don't have to hunt for sharepoints on Mac OS X Server.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Any idiot could fix most problems in Mac OS 9 by trashing or draging a few files. The same can not be said for Mac OS X.
Absolutely not true, but as long as many people don't know Mac OS X as well as Mac OS 9, Mac OS 9 will be easier for them to fix.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
The appeal of the Mac for so many was it's simplicity and ease of use, Mac OS X eliminates most of that.
And yet our users think that Mac OS X is much easier.
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
n Mac OS 9 it's "Hmm, my mac crashes when it's booting and tries to load that extension, maybe I should delete that extension"
Set people not knowing Mac OS 9 very well in front of Mac OS 9, and they won't know anything about what to do!
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
In Mac OS X it's a Windows style "Screen Of Death" and the users reaction is "What the ****?"
Windows style screen of death? Have you even used Mac OS X in the last 12 months? I guess not.
What do you think people say when they see a bomb or a Bus Error during startup on a Mac OS 9 machine?
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
Apple abandoned the education market and it is that simple
Apple has been big in education for many years, but where did it get them? Nowhere!
Attacks from the top are much better.
ny idiot could administer AppleShare IP, the same can not be said for Mac OS X server.
Mac OS X Server ain't that much more complex bud. Just has more powerful options. If you want tit o be complex it can be. If you want to set up a quick workgroup server it isn't more difficult at all.
ny idiot could fix most problems in Mac OS 9 by trashing or draging a few files.
utterly wrong..... you start talking extensions and extensions manager with people and they get turned off and say the mac sucks. Mac OS 9 would lock up for no reason at all. Virtual memory was shit. If a bad app crashed everything crashed. Doing too muc on it would make the system unstable.
n Mac OS 9 it's "Hmm, my mac crashes when it's booting and tries to load that extension, maybe I should delete that extension"
In Mac OS X it's a Windows style "Screen Of Death" and the users reaction is "What the ****?"
not it's, Mac OS X doesn't use extensions anymore, has protected memory, and you're likely to never see a crash when using it.
For the record, OS X has made things much simler to manage here. We've got an Xserve coming in September. We already have several imac labs running Jaguar and iBooks as well. The teachers like it better, the students are having a much easier time. And we don't get, ITS FROZEN, complaints anymore.
For you to say OS X is a tech nightmare because OS 9 had extensions that could easily be turned off when a problem arises is just.....well..... stupid.