My apologies. I was just attempting to fight fire with fire. I should just stick with arguments.
No. Should people be allowed to buy alcohol in a church? Like churches, schools should promote what they believe. That being a good education, an accurate history, etc. If they're in the business of selling food as well, they should promote good healthy foods. Schools shouldn't be in the business of making money. That should be last on the list of priorities.
The other places you mention are in the business of making money. Let them make their money. Schools have no business being a business.
PS Any posts I've made outside of AO have actually been sarcastic. I knew as I was making them there was a chance you wouldn't see them in that light, but others in the thread would. I was just poking fun at your signature.
Certain "unsavory" businesses aren't allowed to operate within a certain distance of schools and churches. Do you also suggest there be a similar no-soda-zone?
Certain "unsavory" businesses aren't allowed to operate within a certain distance of schools and churches. Do you also suggest there be a similar no-soda-zone?
No, it's the proprietor that's being corrected here. Schools have no business being a business, including soda. They shouldn't be effected by the market in terms of what they offer. They should do what's right, and soda is not right.
If crap replaces soda, then it'll all be for naught. Snapple is crap. Gatorade is crap. Water is good. 100% juice is good.
No, it's the proprietor that's being corrected here. Schools have no business being a business, including soda. They shouldn't be effected by the market in terms of what they offer. They should do what's right, and soda is not right.
If crap replaces soda, then it'll all be for naught. Snapple is crap. Gatorade is crap. Water is good. 100% juice is good.
When they are underfunded, they have every right to be a business.
When they are underfunded, they have every right to be a business.
'Every right'? That's extreme. Does that mean if they're underfunded Dow can pay to have a new version of the Bhopal accident put in the history books? If not, why not? They're a business and they're in the business of selling for profit, not educating.
How about saying you feel like they should?
I would say that a school can't be a business, and it interferes with their goal to be an instution of learning and as such, would be the exact opposite of 'every right.'
'Every right'? That's extreme. Does that mean if they're underfunded Dow can pay to have a new version of the Bhopal accident put in the history books? If not, why not? They're a business and they're in the business of selling for profit, not educating.
How about saying you feel like they should?
I would say that a school can't be a business, and it interferes with their goal to be an instution of learning and as such, would be the exact opposite of 'every right.'
The Dow is not in the business of educating our children. Bringing up the Bhopal accident is not only silly, inflammatory, and irrelevant, but it is also insulting the intelligence of everyone who posts here.
Schools need to be run MORE like businesses, not less. Factors like return on investment MUST be considered. Appropriately dividing a scarcity of resources (money and good teachers) requires a business attitude, not a hippy dippy huggy socialist welfare state attitude. Acquiring more resources so that the scarcity is less of an impact is very important. The goal of passing on knowledge to the next generation that will eventually be running the country does not exclude corporate sponsorship of schools. Nay, it demands it.
And dammit we need to rethink where we focus our resources. Retards should not be the priority. The return on investment simply is non-existant.
Something like: "Here, play with this crayon for the next 60 years."?
Are they the priority now?
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
Neither is Coca Cola. That's the point. And it should be kept that way.
It should be left up to the individual school. The parents should get to decide in some sort of democratic process. You do like democracy, don't you? For someone who is allegedly liberal you sure love the father knows best nanny dictator state.
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
Hopefully you're smart enough to realize that one day, should someone actually find you interesting/attractive/intelligent enough to marry, you may have kids.
I'll be happy to keep in mind that your child, if born mentally handicapped, should be relegated to the 'useless' pile. Make sure you tell us, if it happens, so we can ridicule your lack of ability to produce something as 'smart' as you.
I'll even give you the crayon, since you probably wouldn't even invest the 50 cents, considering.
By the way ... answer the question: Are they a priority now?
Simply because I think you didn't understand my point.
The influences of Dow and Coca Cola should be kept out of the schools. Neither has an interest in helping the students, they have ulterior motives that shouldn't be allowed in schools.
It should be left up to the individual school. The parents should get to decide in some sort of democratic process. You do like democracy, don't you? For someone who is allegedly liberal you sure love the father knows best nanny dictator state.
Yeah, I've heard it all before. Someone gets upset and starts to call me names. Ouch. You done with the attacks? Good.
OK, schools have a goal, to educate students. Anything that interferes with that is not helpful. A school and the school system is not a microcosm of our government. It's a school while the government is a government, and likewise, a business is a business. All three should be run and handled differently because each has completely separate motives and goals.
Besides, democracy doesn't even work the way you're suggesting. When a bill is in congress, do we all go to the polls to vote? No? Does that mean we don't like democracy? No. Representation.
School boards and administrators represent us in the school system. That's so (hypothetically) people more educated than we are in the specifics of running a school ultimately make the decisions. It also allows for accountability, so when a mistake is made, it can be permanently corrected.
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
you're starting to pull a pretty heavy karma train there BR. i hope i'm not around when it pulls in the station, it's going to be ugly.
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
Yeah, I've heard it all before. Someone gets upset and starts to call me names. Ouch. You done with the attacks? Good.
OK, schools have a goal, to educate students. Anything that interferes with that is not helpful. A school and the school system is not a microcosm of our government. It's a school while the government is a government, and likewise, a business is a business. All three should be run and handled differently because each has completely separate motives and goals.
Besides, democracy doesn't even work the way you're suggesting. When a bill is in congress, do we all go to the polls to vote? No? Does that mean we don't like democracy? No. Representation.
School boards and administrators represent us in the school system. That's so (hypothetically) people more educated than we are in the specifics of running a school ultimately make the decisions. It also allows for accountability, so when a mistake is made, it can be permanently corrected.
You obviously don't understand that we don't live in a democracy. We have a republic form of government. In a democracy everyone does go to the polls. A democracy can be very cumbersome when the population it governs is very large. That is why we have a republic. However, on a local level, specifically school by school, a democracy would work just fine.
Put the decision back in the hands of parents instead of YOU deciding what's best for EVERYONE ELSE.
By the way, saying that for a "so-called" liberal you sure seem to be in favor of a father knows best nanny dictator state isn't an attack.
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Originally posted by bunge
My apologies. I was just attempting to fight fire with fire. I should just stick with arguments.
No. Should people be allowed to buy alcohol in a church? Like churches, schools should promote what they believe. That being a good education, an accurate history, etc. If they're in the business of selling food as well, they should promote good healthy foods. Schools shouldn't be in the business of making money. That should be last on the list of priorities.
The other places you mention are in the business of making money. Let them make their money. Schools have no business being a business.
PS Any posts I've made outside of AO have actually been sarcastic. I knew as I was making them there was a chance you wouldn't see them in that light, but others in the thread would. I was just poking fun at your signature.
Certain "unsavory" businesses aren't allowed to operate within a certain distance of schools and churches. Do you also suggest there be a similar no-soda-zone?
Originally posted by BR
Certain "unsavory" businesses aren't allowed to operate within a certain distance of schools and churches. Do you also suggest there be a similar no-soda-zone?
No, it's the proprietor that's being corrected here. Schools have no business being a business, including soda. They shouldn't be effected by the market in terms of what they offer. They should do what's right, and soda is not right.
If crap replaces soda, then it'll all be for naught. Snapple is crap. Gatorade is crap. Water is good. 100% juice is good.
Originally posted by audiopollution
One day you'll thank your parents for sending you to a reform school.
Seriously, though, what kind of sadistic school did you attend?
http://nccsc.k12.in.us/chs/
And I look back appreciatively, now.
My kids just started school and I was shocked to find they wear shorts.
Plus, the fast food marketing at the school surprised me as well.
Originally posted by JRC
Plus, the fast food marketing at the school surprised me as well.
I've never heard of fast food marketing at schools, but why shouldn't those responsible get put in jail?
Originally posted by bunge
No, it's the proprietor that's being corrected here. Schools have no business being a business, including soda. They shouldn't be effected by the market in terms of what they offer. They should do what's right, and soda is not right.
If crap replaces soda, then it'll all be for naught. Snapple is crap. Gatorade is crap. Water is good. 100% juice is good.
When they are underfunded, they have every right to be a business.
Originally posted by BR
When they are underfunded, they have every right to be a business.
'Every right'? That's extreme. Does that mean if they're underfunded Dow can pay to have a new version of the Bhopal accident put in the history books? If not, why not? They're a business and they're in the business of selling for profit, not educating.
How about saying you feel like they should?
I would say that a school can't be a business, and it interferes with their goal to be an instution of learning and as such, would be the exact opposite of 'every right.'
Originally posted by bunge
'Every right'? That's extreme. Does that mean if they're underfunded Dow can pay to have a new version of the Bhopal accident put in the history books? If not, why not? They're a business and they're in the business of selling for profit, not educating.
How about saying you feel like they should?
I would say that a school can't be a business, and it interferes with their goal to be an instution of learning and as such, would be the exact opposite of 'every right.'
The Dow is not in the business of educating our children. Bringing up the Bhopal accident is not only silly, inflammatory, and irrelevant, but it is also insulting the intelligence of everyone who posts here.
Schools need to be run MORE like businesses, not less. Factors like return on investment MUST be considered. Appropriately dividing a scarcity of resources (money and good teachers) requires a business attitude, not a hippy dippy huggy socialist welfare state attitude. Acquiring more resources so that the scarcity is less of an impact is very important. The goal of passing on knowledge to the next generation that will eventually be running the country does not exclude corporate sponsorship of schools. Nay, it demands it.
And dammit we need to rethink where we focus our resources. Retards should not be the priority. The return on investment simply is non-existant.
Originally posted by BR
The Dow is not in the business of educating our children.
Neither is Coca Cola. That's the point. And it should be kept that way.
Originally posted by BR
Retards should not be the priority. The return on investment simply is non-existant.
Nice. What do you propose we do with them?
Something like: "Here, play with this crayon for the next 60 years."?
Are they the priority now?
Originally posted by bunge
Neither is Coca Cola. That's the point. And it should be kept that way.
I'm so glad you ignored the rest of my post.
Originally posted by audiopollution
Nice. What do you propose we do with them?
Something like: "Here, play with this crayon for the next 60 years."?
Are they the priority now?
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
Originally posted by bunge
Neither is Coca Cola. That's the point. And it should be kept that way.
It should be left up to the individual school. The parents should get to decide in some sort of democratic process. You do like democracy, don't you? For someone who is allegedly liberal you sure love the father knows best nanny dictator state.
Originally posted by BR
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
Hopefully you're smart enough to realize that one day, should someone actually find you interesting/attractive/intelligent enough to marry, you may have kids.
I'll be happy to keep in mind that your child, if born mentally handicapped, should be relegated to the 'useless' pile. Make sure you tell us, if it happens, so we can ridicule your lack of ability to produce something as 'smart' as you.
I'll even give you the crayon, since you probably wouldn't even invest the 50 cents, considering.
By the way ... answer the question: Are they a priority now?
Originally posted by BR
I'm so glad you ignored the rest of my post.
Simply because I think you didn't understand my point.
The influences of Dow and Coca Cola should be kept out of the schools. Neither has an interest in helping the students, they have ulterior motives that shouldn't be allowed in schools.
Originally posted by BR
It should be left up to the individual school. The parents should get to decide in some sort of democratic process. You do like democracy, don't you? For someone who is allegedly liberal you sure love the father knows best nanny dictator state.
Yeah, I've heard it all before. Someone gets upset and starts to call me names. Ouch.
OK, schools have a goal, to educate students. Anything that interferes with that is not helpful. A school and the school system is not a microcosm of our government. It's a school while the government is a government, and likewise, a business is a business. All three should be run and handled differently because each has completely separate motives and goals.
Besides, democracy doesn't even work the way you're suggesting. When a bill is in congress, do we all go to the polls to vote? No? Does that mean we don't like democracy? No. Representation.
School boards and administrators represent us in the school system. That's so (hypothetically) people more educated than we are in the specifics of running a school ultimately make the decisions. It also allows for accountability, so when a mistake is made, it can be permanently corrected.
Originally posted by BR
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
you're starting to pull a pretty heavy karma train there BR. i hope i'm not around when it pulls in the station, it's going to be ugly.
Originally posted by BR
When you are dying of cancer or some other disease, be glad that you nurtured the retards and neglected our greatest commodity, smart kids. Yes, throwing money at retards where the return on investment will possibly be gaining another McDonalds worker is definitely a higher priority than nurturing the intellectual growth of the highly gifted where the return on investment would be scientific breakthroughs that save lives and push humanity forward.
BR WANTS TO DEPRIVE "DUMB" KIDS OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
This one is a classic.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
BR WANTS TO DEPRIVE "DUMB" KIDS OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
This one is a classic.
No, I just don't want retards to have the priority, which any teacher can tell you, they currently do.
Originally posted by bunge
Yeah, I've heard it all before. Someone gets upset and starts to call me names. Ouch.
OK, schools have a goal, to educate students. Anything that interferes with that is not helpful. A school and the school system is not a microcosm of our government. It's a school while the government is a government, and likewise, a business is a business. All three should be run and handled differently because each has completely separate motives and goals.
Besides, democracy doesn't even work the way you're suggesting. When a bill is in congress, do we all go to the polls to vote? No? Does that mean we don't like democracy? No. Representation.
School boards and administrators represent us in the school system. That's so (hypothetically) people more educated than we are in the specifics of running a school ultimately make the decisions. It also allows for accountability, so when a mistake is made, it can be permanently corrected.
You obviously don't understand that we don't live in a democracy. We have a republic form of government. In a democracy everyone does go to the polls. A democracy can be very cumbersome when the population it governs is very large. That is why we have a republic. However, on a local level, specifically school by school, a democracy would work just fine.
Put the decision back in the hands of parents instead of YOU deciding what's best for EVERYONE ELSE.
By the way, saying that for a "so-called" liberal you sure seem to be in favor of a father knows best nanny dictator state isn't an attack.