If this is true, then the motherboard design has been finalized and the bidding shouldn't take too long, should it? I imagine the motherboard manufacturers have had prototypes running for quite some time.
Now, would that be rectangular motherboards or round motherboards or er ummm maybe both
Looks like July...but I'll be insanely anxious and at my wit's end by then Macwhispers has an OEM prediction on the Mobo. I thought Macwhispers had stopped that product release-prediction-by-OEM method at the iPod debacle, but I guess that they haven't hid in their closets yet.
Some are expecting a new case / enclosure for the G5 / 970 PowerMac. I don't think so. The existing one was built for the IBM 970, and the present PowerMacs are just its shake down cruise, to get any mechanical bugs fixed. Getting the case designed early was a good strategy. Apple will be busy enough with the new motherboard and chip set. There will likely be some cosmetic changes to the case, so people can easily identify the G5 PowerMac.
2. Kidred; I'm no expert, but I think you're missing the difference between a Console CPU and a Computer CPU.
One is built primarily to throw frames on the screen at a blistering pace (largely so that would-be teenage deviants can hone their shooting skills.) The other is a more general purpose unit, used to process a more diverse set of commands.
Apple can't simply plug in a PS3 CPU and make the PowerMac faster.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That wasn't what i was talking about. I meerly stated in the now closed thread that the PS3 was speced to be capable of a teraflop and T'hain said i was crazy. So i posted the link. I never related the info to Apple in any way. (the comparssion to the 50 powermacs is just that, a relative comparrison in no way specualting Apple using anything)
[quote]Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch:
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No you arent! </strong><hr></blockquote>
Guess you don't read well. Otherwise you wouldv'e known that Fran has no idea what I was talking about. By quoting his reply shows you have no idea what I'm talking about either. So, I made a statement that was true and backed it up with evidence and you still have no clue.
<strong>Looks like July...but I'll be insanely anxious and at my wit's end by then Macwhispers has an OEM prediction on the Mobo. I thought Macwhispers had stopped that product release-prediction-by-OEM method at the iPod debacle, but I guess that they haven't hid in their closets yet. </strong><hr></blockquote>
They aren't predicting anything. They only stated production is about to begin and takes 3-4 months to acheive. They never said MWNY or july release. That's what they stopped doing.
Macwhispers have access to production info. In this sense they are stating facts. They have stopped doing 'Mosr'.
Why? Because only Apple know when stuff is really going to ship.
I think that makes them a very credible rumour sight. They aren't making promises or rash predictions. They stopped (and never really tried to do that...) 'predictions'.
I kinda found their approach a sobering one.
I'll give them that.
Anyway, July? Wow. I'll take that Demo' at New York.
I just think this one has got too big.
10.3 and 970. 64 bit.
Apple? Taking no prisoners.
I just hope its the 1.8-2.5 and not the 1.4-1.8.
This is Apple's best chance in years to arrest the slide and go back on offence. (Gee I sounded American there for a sec'...)
Lemon Bon Bon
Can you imagine the looks on x86 mhz-olites when the 2.5 gig 970 blisters past the 3. gig Pentium 4? And out...even before the Athlon 64?
<strong>Iit would be nice to have "970" applied to the 970 case like the G3 was applied to the Blue&White G3. It would look nice.</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Can you imagine the looks on x86 mhz-olites when the 2.5 gig 970 blisters past the 3. gig Pentium 4?<hr></blockquote>
Easily, total boredom. The Macintosh is so completely irrelevant to the real x86 fanatics that one might be talk about the Power5, for all the relevance it would have to them.
It's not the x86-olites that are of any concern. It's the Mac purchasers and would-be purchasers that Apple must cultivate. Apple shouldn't be planning its releases based on the need to provide ammunition in the platform wars. It must meet the needs of those who are actually using, or are going to use Macintoshes.
My recollection is that the old saw goes "to convince the majority of people to switch to something "out of the ordinary", you need to be 10 times better. It's only at that point that the perceived gains outweigh the massive inertia that most human beings have in trying something new."
Luckily, Apple is not yet completely out of the mainstream. But don't look for Apple to suddenly surge back even if it's twice as fast as a PC. However, it would be nice to slowly edge that marketshare back up and stop the slow bleeding.
While you are at the request line, don't forget to ask for PCI Express or some similar high speed bus for a replacement to the current mix of PCI & AGP slots. And a bunch of them.
<strong>Iit would be nice to have "970" applied to the 970 case like the G3 was applied to the Blue&White G3. It would look nice.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would rather see "G5" on the case, just for the tradition. As for the case not changing, I say that it WILL change, just because Apple will want people to look at their new crazy fast machine and think "WoW! I want one of those" just by looking at it.
<strong>Some are expecting a new case / enclosure for the G5 / 970 PowerMac. I don't think so. The existing one was built for the IBM 970, and the present PowerMacs are just its shake down cruse, to get any mechanical bugs fixed. Getting the case designed early was good strategy. Apple will be busy enough with the new motherboard and chip set. There will likely be some cosmetic changes to the case, so people can easily identify the G5 PowerMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't forget that most of the case changes in the current models that we might consider to be "970 ready" are internal. They could easily change the plastic mouldings and colouring of the exterior for a fresh new look. I hope they totally revamp the look of the enclosure for the 970! :cool:
<strong>Some are expecting a new case / enclosure for the G5 / 970 PowerMac. I don't think so. The existing one was built for the IBM 970, and the present PowerMacs are just its shake down cruse, to get any mechanical bugs fixed. Getting the case designed early was good strategy. Apple will be busy enough with the new motherboard and chip set. There will likely be some cosmetic changes to the case, so people can easily identify the G5 PowerMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, the last casee design was for the G4 because it ran so hot. Also, Apple will not just change something kinor for the chip that saves their ass, sells like the original iMac and gets the their respect back. The internas may stay (frame) but the outside will change. The current towers don't match anything, they barely compliment the displays. Such a new and revelotionary chip and next gen tech for Apple will not just get a face plate change. Especially if this is unveiled at MWNY with all the press.
I would rather see "G5" on the case, just for the tradition. As for the case not changing, I say that it WILL change, just because Apple will want people to look at their new crazy fast machine and think "WoW! I want one of those" just by looking at it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think the G5 PowerMac will need a new case to help it sell. Cosmetic changes to easily identify it as a G5 (or IBM 970) is all we will get, IMO. Look at it as a business decision. Why put resources into an all new design if it will not mean many more sales? I think it was a good strategy to do a new enclosure, or case, early. For one thing, it let Apple get the kinks out, like fan noise maybe, while production volume is low. I'm sure there are more important things for Apple's mechanical engineers to work on right now. So, some folks may be disappointed. I'm betting Apple does what makes the most business sense.
Don't forget that most of the case changes in the current models that we might consider to be "970 ready" are internal. They could easily change the plastic mouldings and colouring of the exterior for a fresh new look. I hope they totally revamp the look of the enclosure for the 970! :cool:
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We are saying the same thing. I consider the design to be the internal layout, structure and cooling. This is engineering. The outside appearance is industrial design, and that is what I referred to as cosmetic changes in my original post.
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<strong>Don't know why, but I believe these guys.
<a href="http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000046.php"; target="_blank">MacWhispers.</a>
Intro July, shipping "late summer."</strong><hr></blockquote>
If this is true, then the motherboard design has been finalized and the bidding shouldn't take too long, should it? I imagine the motherboard manufacturers have had prototypes running for quite some time.
Now, would that be rectangular motherboards or round motherboards
Edit: Spelling
[ 03-08-2003: Message edited by: snoopy ]</p>
Must..control..soaring..expectations...
Whew. That was close. Thank goodness MacWhispers has an accuracy only matched by MOSR.
The 970's at 1.4, 1.6 & 1.8 GHz for January 2004, .09 970's at up to 2.5 GHz for 9-12 months after that.
<strong>My 2 cents (Canadian currency):
2. Kidred; I'm no expert, but I think you're missing the difference between a Console CPU and a Computer CPU.
One is built primarily to throw frames on the screen at a blistering pace (largely so that would-be teenage deviants can hone their shooting skills.) The other is a more general purpose unit, used to process a more diverse set of commands.
Apple can't simply plug in a PS3 CPU and make the PowerMac faster.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That wasn't what i was talking about. I meerly stated in the now closed thread that the PS3 was speced to be capable of a teraflop and T'hain said i was crazy. So i posted the link. I never related the info to Apple in any way. (the comparssion to the 50 powermacs is just that, a relative comparrison in no way specualting Apple using anything)
[quote]Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch:
<strong>
No you arent!
Guess you don't read well. Otherwise you wouldv'e known that Fran has no idea what I was talking about. By quoting his reply shows you have no idea what I'm talking about either. So, I made a statement that was true and backed it up with evidence and you still have no clue.
I am, thanks for playing.
<strong>Looks like July...but I'll be insanely anxious and at my wit's end by then
They aren't predicting anything. They only stated production is about to begin and takes 3-4 months to acheive. They never said MWNY or july release. That's what they stopped doing.
[qb]
Glad to see someone is tackling the rogue apostrophe!
Grammar? What grammar!
[ 03-07-2003: Message edited by: John E C ]
[ 03-07-2003: Message edited by: John E C ]</p>
Why? Because only Apple know when stuff is really going to ship.
I think that makes them a very credible rumour sight. They aren't making promises or rash predictions. They stopped (and never really tried to do that...) 'predictions'.
I kinda found their approach a sobering one.
I'll give them that.
Anyway, July? Wow. I'll take that Demo' at New York.
I just think this one has got too big.
10.3 and 970. 64 bit.
Apple? Taking no prisoners.
I just hope its the 1.8-2.5 and not the 1.4-1.8.
This is Apple's best chance in years to arrest the slide and go back on offence. (Gee I sounded American there for a sec'...)
Lemon Bon Bon
Can you imagine the looks on x86 mhz-olites when the 2.5 gig 970 blisters past the 3. gig Pentium 4? And out...even before the Athlon 64?
Gosh. Dreamland?
[ 03-07-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
<strong>Iit would be nice to have "970" applied to the 970 case like the G3 was applied to the Blue&White G3. It would look nice.</strong><hr></blockquote>
:eek: NO! That smurf case was fuuuuugly.
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:eek: NO! That smurf case was fuuuuugly.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, it was a Lifesaver case. No, a Sweet Tart case, no a Jolly Rancher case..
Easily, total boredom. The Macintosh is so completely irrelevant to the real x86 fanatics that one might be talk about the Power5, for all the relevance it would have to them.
It's not the x86-olites that are of any concern. It's the Mac purchasers and would-be purchasers that Apple must cultivate. Apple shouldn't be planning its releases based on the need to provide ammunition in the platform wars. It must meet the needs of those who are actually using, or are going to use Macintoshes.
My recollection is that the old saw goes "to convince the majority of people to switch to something "out of the ordinary", you need to be 10 times better. It's only at that point that the perceived gains outweigh the massive inertia that most human beings have in trying something new."
Luckily, Apple is not yet completely out of the mainstream. But don't look for Apple to suddenly surge back even if it's twice as fast as a PC. However, it would be nice to slowly edge that marketshare back up and stop the slow bleeding.
<strong>Iit would be nice to have "970" applied to the 970 case like the G3 was applied to the Blue&White G3. It would look nice.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would rather see "G5" on the case, just for the tradition. As for the case not changing, I say that it WILL change, just because Apple will want people to look at their new crazy fast machine and think "WoW! I want one of those" just by looking at it.
<strong>Some are expecting a new case / enclosure for the G5 / 970 PowerMac. I don't think so. The existing one was built for the IBM 970, and the present PowerMacs are just its shake down cruse, to get any mechanical bugs fixed. Getting the case designed early was good strategy. Apple will be busy enough with the new motherboard and chip set. There will likely be some cosmetic changes to the case, so people can easily identify the G5 PowerMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't forget that most of the case changes in the current models that we might consider to be "970 ready" are internal. They could easily change the plastic mouldings and colouring of the exterior for a fresh new look. I hope they totally revamp the look of the enclosure for the 970! :cool:
<strong>Some are expecting a new case / enclosure for the G5 / 970 PowerMac. I don't think so. The existing one was built for the IBM 970, and the present PowerMacs are just its shake down cruse, to get any mechanical bugs fixed. Getting the case designed early was good strategy. Apple will be busy enough with the new motherboard and chip set. There will likely be some cosmetic changes to the case, so people can easily identify the G5 PowerMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, the last casee design was for the G4 because it ran so hot. Also, Apple will not just change something kinor for the chip that saves their ass, sells like the original iMac and gets the their respect back. The internas may stay (frame) but the outside will change. The current towers don't match anything, they barely compliment the displays. Such a new and revelotionary chip and next gen tech for Apple will not just get a face plate change. Especially if this is unveiled at MWNY with all the press.
<strong>
I would rather see "G5" on the case, just for the tradition. As for the case not changing, I say that it WILL change, just because Apple will want people to look at their new crazy fast machine and think "WoW! I want one of those" just by looking at it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think the G5 PowerMac will need a new case to help it sell. Cosmetic changes to easily identify it as a G5 (or IBM 970) is all we will get, IMO. Look at it as a business decision. Why put resources into an all new design if it will not mean many more sales? I think it was a good strategy to do a new enclosure, or case, early. For one thing, it let Apple get the kinks out, like fan noise maybe, while production volume is low. I'm sure there are more important things for Apple's mechanical engineers to work on right now. So, some folks may be disappointed. I'm betting Apple does what makes the most business sense.
<strong>
Don't forget that most of the case changes in the current models that we might consider to be "970 ready" are internal. They could easily change the plastic mouldings and colouring of the exterior for a fresh new look. I hope they totally revamp the look of the enclosure for the 970! :cool:
</strong><hr></blockquote>
We are saying the same thing. I consider the design to be the internal layout, structure and cooling. This is engineering. The outside appearance is industrial design, and that is what I referred to as cosmetic changes in my original post.
<strong>I hope they totally revamp the look of the enclosure for the 970! :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
i'm building the plastics right now