Son of Next PowerMac with up to 2.5GHz 970?

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  • Reply 81 of 182
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    [quote]Originally posted by Tom West:

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    Actually, the one place that Apple really has room to grow is in the University market. The idea of a "usable" Unix does appeal to a lot of people. However, I'd be really suprised if that segment is more than .2% of total sales.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I rather expect you'll find a lot of people in the engineering or scientific fields would switch to OS X if it had the software support. There's a sizeable workstation unix market, at least in revenue terms. Just ask Sun.
  • Reply 82 of 182
    snoopysnoopy Posts: 1,901member
    [quote]Originally posted by Telomar:

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    I rather expect you'll find a lot of people in the engineering or scientific fields would switch to OS X if it had the software support. There's a sizeable workstation unix market, at least in revenue terms. Just ask Sun.



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    Might thit be the reason for the X11 application for OS X? I hear there is a lot of Unix software that runs in X Windows, and this gives OS X compatibility. (I have no knowledge of X Windows myself.)



    Edit: I hit the 'Post Reply' button before adding my text!



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  • Reply 83 of 182
    moosemanmooseman Posts: 126member
    [quote]Originally posted by snoopy:

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    Might thit be the reason for the X11 application for OS X? I hear there is a lot of Unix software that runs in X Windows, and this gives OS X compatibility. (I have no knowledge of X Windows myself.)



    Edit: I hit the 'Post Reply' button before adding my text!



    [ 03-09-2003: Message edited by: snoopy ]</strong><hr></blockquote>





    ...it will definitely give a better end user experience, but XFree86 has been OS X compatible for some time now. I think Apple just wanted to integrate it better with OS X, which they have begun to do. Its nice to be able to run Kate and minimize it just like any other app.



    Still need to work on the launch speed for stuff, but overall its coming along nicely.
  • Reply 84 of 182
    [quote]By the way, does anyone know what happened that caused such a massive delay in the intro of the 17"? Did a ship sink? Civil War? lol What was it that screwed everything up, and how many people are now hanging from rafters as a result of the screw up? I know Uncle Steve is hardly a pleasant man when things go wrong..<hr></blockquote>



    No idea what happened, but I'm quite pissed off, because I ordered my 17" the same day it was announced and they managed to ship it today..

    I just hope it's worth the wait.
  • Reply 85 of 182
    [quote]Originally posted by Aphelion:

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    Actually I don't care if they ship it in a milk crate, as long as it has dual 970's in it.

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    A milk crate...enough room and enough "cooling vents" for at least 4 of those hot little 2.5 970s
  • Reply 86 of 182
    [quote]Originally posted by Aphelion:

    <strong>Actually I don't care if they ship it in a milk crate, as long as it has dual 970's in it.

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    MMmMMmm... Dell boxes... MmMmmm.... *NOT!*
  • Reply 87 of 182
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    Frann77- Don't stress it



    X and it's unix belly is the main reason I have had to oppurtunity to *influence* more then 5 people to switch in the past 2 years. They were *macs are cool but not a real computer* type. Mostly programmers and 1 designer. 1 didn't even know about X just used unix and windows on his pc. Then I told him about X being a unix flavor he seeemed intriqued. I spoke to him about 6 months later when he ICQed me from his iBook. He loved X, all his pc co workers were jealous of the iBook.



    Apple may have a hard time cracking the corporate world, but X is the difference, the wild card. Once they see the 970 speed factor just annihilated and then they see not only a unix flavor on the mac, but a 64 bit version! I think good things are ahead.



    Also, the iPod is like like foreplay, it's juicing them all up and getting them excited.
  • Reply 88 of 182
    [quote]Originally posted by Juha Otus:

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    No idea what happened, but I'm quite pissed off, because I ordered my 17" the same day it was announced and they managed to ship it today..

    I just hope it's worth the wait.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You have confirmation yours shipped today?!?! Mine has been on order since then also. Now I need to check my expected delivery date. I know this isn't the 17" PowerBook forum, but when you get yours please let us know, preferably in the Current Hardware 17" PowerBook forum.



    Thanks,

    Terry
  • Reply 89 of 182
    From Macrumors:



    [quote] Here's an encore wrapup of rumors on the PPC970.





    - Peter Sandon, father of the PPC 970 at IBM, will present his chip at the WWDC.



    - Certain members of ADC Select will be able to see a demonstration of a PPC 970 prototype Mac.



    - APPLE is finalizing the development tools to optimize the code for the 970 chip. It is already "PPC 98" Ready



    - There is also an advance (pre) beta version of a 64 bit Panther.



    And to finish, the news about IBM.



    - Even though they said that the PPC 970 would not reach the 2.5 Ghz at 0.13 Microns, it in fact will. They have so many already, that the 970 is available in significant volume.



    - the 2.5 Ghz processor at 0.13 Microns has a problem though. It consumes 64 Watts and dissipates too much heat. But it isn't worse than a Pentium IV or an Athlon. It would be a true challenge, however, to propose a machine with 2 processors for a total of 128 W!

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    Lemon Bon Bon :cool:



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  • Reply 90 of 182
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:

    <strong>From Macrumors:







    Lemon Bon Bon :cool:



    [ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Wow. About to head over there now. So, with no MWNY I guess Stevie could unveil it anywhere at any time. I thought a convention would get better press tho.
  • Reply 91 of 182
    From Macobserver:



    [quote]In the graphic professional - or 'creative market' - Anderson said that despite Apple's dominance, sales are substantially off. For things to improve, Apple believes the economy must fist rebound, "significant increases in performance" of the Power Mac line must happen, and Quark Express for OS X must be released. "In our Power Mac line, we're also committed to more aggressive pricing as evidence of what we did late in January, so we can have even stronger price performance in our Power Mac line going forward. We're very focused as a company in taking the actions necessary to re-build the sales volume on our Power Mac line," he said.



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    Interesting.



    Lemon Bon Bon :cool:



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  • Reply 92 of 182
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Boo-yah to the people who doubted that Apple was aware of the problems with the PowerMac line.



    However, what are the odds that a senior Apple exec would be so candid if there wasn't a solution imminent?
  • Reply 93 of 182
    [quote] Boo-yah to the people who doubted that Apple was aware of the problems with the PowerMac line.



    However, what are the odds that a senior Apple exec would be so candid if there wasn't a solution imminent?



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    'Boo-yah' indeed. I feel delighted that Apple feel the need to be more aggressive with their 'power'Mac pricing going forwards...building on the the 'dramatic' cuts in January. Perhaps as an incentive to get Mac and PC Switcher/Workstation to get their wad of dosh out?



    So Apple are conceding their past pricing hasn't helped.



    It's also nice that Apple recognises that significant performance increases are needed to get people to part with their dosh. And that this must be coupled with price competitive measures.



    (I can almost hear Matsu crowing from the highest mountain right now...)



    And yes, Amorph. You're right. It's a very 'candid' recognition from Freddy and Apple. Sounds like they're almost in a position to do something about the current 'power'Mac's CPU inadequacies..?



    At least Apple aren't using Photoshop or X excuses anymore for poor sales. Blame games kind of show an inadequacy lying at your own door. It's nice to see Apple knwo they need to be constructive to get the 'power'Mac sales engine back on line. And that they still consider it their flagship.



    Though I will concede that Quark on a 970 10.3 'POWER'Mac will be the icing of the cake it aint the thing holding back 'power'Mac sales.



    What, pray tell, does Freddy Anderson know that I don't...?



    Lemon Bon Bon



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  • Reply 94 of 182
    [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

    <strong>Boo-yah to the people who doubted that Apple was aware of the problems with the PowerMac line.



    However, what are the odds that a senior Apple exec would be so candid if there wasn't a solution imminent?</strong><hr></blockquote>

    "Lets see now... Our machines suck!"



    Who the HELL doubted THAT? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
  • Reply 95 of 182
    [quote] "Lets see now... Our machines suck!"

    Who the HELL doubted THAT?

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    Lemon Bon Bon :cool:
  • Reply 96 of 182
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    [quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:

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    At least Apple aren't using Photoshop or X excuses anymore for poor sales. Blame games kind of show an inadequacy lying at your own door. It's nice to see Apple knwo they need to be constructive to get the 'power'Mac sales engine back on line. And that they still consider it their flagship.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Well, not only. There is still a weak economy, there are still a lot of tightened belts and laid off designers, and there are still a lot of people asking why they should upgrade to a platform where the Adobe apps don't run as well, and Quark only runs slowly under emulation, and they'd have to upgrade a lot of old (and reliable, and costly) SCSI peripherals. Fast PowerMacs will certainly spur a round of sales, but they cannot overcome the real obstacles to introducing OS X into the typical publication workflow by themselves.



    The <a href="http://www.macintouch.com/mosxjust05.html#mar10"; target="_blank">Justifying Mac OS X</a> thread over at Macintouch is a decent survey of the issues involved.
  • Reply 97 of 182
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

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    Well, not only. There is still a weak economy, there are still a lot of tightened belts and laid off designers, and there are still a lot of people asking why they should upgrade to a platform where the Adobe apps don't run as well, and Quark only runs slowly under emulation, and they'd have to upgrade a lot of old (and reliable, and costly) SCSI peripherals. Fast PowerMacs will certainly spur a round of sales, but they cannot overcome the real obstacles to introducing OS X into the typical publication workflow by themselves.



    The <a href="http://www.macintouch.com/mosxjust05.html#mar10"; target="_blank">Justifying Mac OS X</a> thread over at Macintouch is a decent survey of the issues involved.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Well the Adobe thing will be fixed in the next versions of their apps I'm sure. 10.3 should be out this summer or fall and I anticipate a speed increase as well as additional goodies. Quark will be out this summer as well even if a crappy carbon port. Then, top it all off, we'll have p4 killing 970's priced aggressively compared to Dell, HP, etc.



    Very promising year. Admission is the first step to recovery. I think the future holds well for Apple. They just need to hold on for 2 years. After that, we'll have a democrat in the white house and the economy should be rebounding and the 970 should be nearing 3.ghz
  • Reply 98 of 182
    flounderflounder Posts: 2,674member
    [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

    <strong>Boo-yah to the people who doubted that Apple was aware of the problems with the PowerMac line.



    However, what are the odds that a senior Apple exec would be so candid if there wasn't a solution imminent?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Exactly

    Also, that gives me hope that PowerMac prices wont't be going back up when the 970 in introduced.
  • Reply 99 of 182
    tjmtjm Posts: 367member
    [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

    <strong>Boo-yah to the people who doubted that Apple was aware of the problems with the PowerMac line.



    However, what are the odds that a senior Apple exec would be so candid if there wasn't a solution imminent?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Sales 101: a problem only exists when you are selling the solution to it.



    I've been rolling my eyes for quite a while at all the "Apple is so stupid for not admitting their machines are slow compared to the competition." What were people expecting them to say? "Our machines suck and they're not going to get any better anytime soon because of Motorola's problems in chip production."??? Of course Apple knows about their speed problems. They've been putting out the fastest machines they possibly could given the circumstances, and have been working behind the scenes for several years to rectify the problem. The result is (or will be) the 970.



    Any company that is not aware of the strengths and weaknesses of their products doesn't stay in business very long.
  • Reply 100 of 182
    [quote] Very promising year. Admission is the first step to recovery. I think the future holds well for Apple. They just need to hold on for 2 years. After that, we'll have a democrat in the white house and the economy should be rebounding and the 970 should be nearing 3.ghz



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    Apple in rehab'



    Seriously, that Macobserver stuff is a strong hint coming from Fred Anderson. That after his recent outburst about the pending software to come also..., kinda like 'Lots more.' Sounds good.



    ie that Apple need to cut prices further on their 'power'Mac line...that they need to seriously address the performance issue...suggest that Apple are aware of the need to create value and performance.



    I'm still smiling. I can't believe what I'm hearing.



    Lemon Bon Bon :eek:
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