Dell attempt at an iPod?

homhom
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in iPod + iTunes + AppleTV edited January 2014
According to Macworld UK Dell is set to introduce a 15 GB portable music player. I don't think that it will have any impact, just like Dell's printers aren't killing Epson and HP, but this is a big signal. Dell only enters markets when it has become a commodity. Is this end end of $499 mp3 players?
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  • Reply 1 of 56
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    Good. It will force Apple to lower its ludicrous price. $500 walkman! Instead of adding more space they should first lower price. And they should have kept the 5 gig iPod. However, I'm sure Dell's iPaq/iPod/iWhatever they will rip off of Apple will suck ass.
  • Reply 2 of 56
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquatic

    Good. It will force Apple to lower its ludicrous price. $500 walkman! Instead of adding more space they should first lower price. And they should have kept the 5 gig iPod. However, I'm sure Dell's iPaq/iPod/iWhatever they will rip off of Apple will suck ass.



    Let me finish that for you. "Whatever they will rip off of Apple will suck ass but sell because it's from Dell."
  • Reply 3 of 56
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ast3r3x

    Let me finish that for you. "Whatever they will rip off of Apple will suck ass but sell because it's from Dell."



    Sell to whom? Everyone who wants a real MP3 player has already bought one (and it was an iPod). If they want 'late bloomers' they can have the scraps. They don't have the $ for real toys so they buy the cheap knock offs like at Kmart. I'm not worried, I doubt AAPL is either.
  • Reply 4 of 56
    gycgyc Posts: 90member
    Will it be twice as big and heavy as the iPod and be made out of creaky black plastic?
  • Reply 5 of 56
    From MacMinute



    Dell plans to announce a 15GB hard drive-based MP3 player, dubbed the "Digital Jukebox," next Thursday, according to IDG. "Apple Computer has received a great deal of critical and commercial praise for its iPod MP3 players, now available for Macintosh and Windows systems," writes IDG's Tom Krazit. "Dell is apparently following its usual strategy of letting another company demonstrate a market for a particular product before entering that market itself."



    I especially love Krazit's statement about Dell's usual strategy of following. Really shows their dedication risk-taking and innovation.
  • Reply 6 of 56
    as much as i hate dell, and their total lack of innovation, you gotta note that they are (at least in my eyes, i very well may be wrong) currently the most popular windows compatible computer maker...



    It reminds me of a quote i heard someone say... "You never go broke appealling to the least common denominator"



    They'll always be successful by letting others pave the way, then coming in and making about the same product (albeit less well) for way less price...



    Sick, really
  • Reply 7 of 56
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by gsfmark

    as much as i hate dell, and their total lack of innovation, you gotta note that they are (at least in my eyes, i very well may be wrong) currently the most popular windows compatible computer maker...



    It reminds me of a quote i heard someone say... "You never go broke appealling to the least common denominator"



    They'll always be successful by letting others pave the way, then coming in and making about the same product (albeit less well) for way less price...



    Sick, really




    What I meant by them selling. People see dell and it's <$ and they but it because they are told it's just as good.







    I am glad the iPod is so well received, that will help apple though
  • Reply 8 of 56
    Yawn. Dell does not innovate blah blah blah. What a tired argument.



    Dell is not suppose to innovate (at least in product development). It is suppose to gain marketshare by offering same/similarly products at aggresive price. It is doing that well and that is making Dell #1 in the marketplace. As a shareholder, you would not want it to innovate either.



    Yet, so many people here think it is so easy to do what Dell does. If so, why don't you start a computer business (heck, any business) then and make it a Fortune 500 company in less than 10 years? If what they are doing is so easy, why can no other computer maker (HP/Compaq, Sony, egc.) use the strategy to their advantage?



    What Dell does is lowering the price for everyone across the board - regardless where the product is a PC, server, printer, PDA, etc. In fact, Dell is consistently a place to get iPod cheaper than everywhere else.



    Sure, their product is not bound to be not as good as an iPod. I own a 20gb iPod. However, Dell is innovative in the way they run their business, inventory, supply, etc. Every computer company, Apple included, is probably learning from Dell on how to lower their cost, etc.
  • Reply 9 of 56
    If business was a game (and it is), and in this game the objective was to make a lot of money... Dell is doing pretty good.
  • Reply 10 of 56
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquatic

    Good. It will force Apple to lower its ludicrous price. $500 walkman! Instead of adding more space they should first lower price. And they should have kept the 5 gig iPod. However, I'm sure Dell's iPaq/iPod/iWhatever they will rip off of Apple will suck ass.





    I agree...I think they should look at lowering the price a bit. I know the tiny (but yet still high capacity) hard drives must be somewhat costly...but jeez



    Hopefully such a price drop will come soon...my birthday is next month
  • Reply 11 of 56
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    If I were Apple, I would look over my shoulder.

    Dell, while not innovative, do know how to make inexpensive products.



    Hopefully Apple gets iTMS for Windows up and running soon and drops the iPod prices by $50. You don't want to be competing against a $199 Dell clone, even if it's using crap software like MusicMatch.
  • Reply 12 of 56
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    Quote:

    Yawn. Dell does not innovate blah blah blah. What a tired argument.



    Dell is not suppose to innovate (at least in product development). It is suppose to gain marketshare by offering same/similarly products at aggresive price. It is doing that well and that is making Dell #1 in the marketplace. As a shareholder, you would not want it to innovate either.



    Yet, so many people here think it is so easy to do what Dell does. If so, why don't you start a computer business (heck, any business) then and make it a Fortune 500 company in less than 10 years? If what they are doing is so easy, why can no other computer maker (HP/Compaq, Sony, egc.) use the strategy to their advantage?



    What Dell does is lowering the price for everyone across the board - regardless where the product is a PC, server, printer, PDA, etc. In fact, Dell is consistently a place to get iPod cheaper than everywhere else.



    Sure, their product is not bound to be not as good as an iPod. I own a 20gb iPod. However, Dell is innovative in the way they run their business, inventory, supply, etc. Every computer company, Apple included, is probably learning from Dell on how to lower their cost, etc.



    Duh? It's called child labor. That and using cheaper shit. How innovative. Lots of other companies employ this approach. Look at any brand x in any market. Sharp for example has particularly crappy products. Dell is famous for using cheaper screws. But how long do their products last? My iPod has survived a beating nothing should survive. And now I'm selling it to get a new one (when they get a mic)!! FCUK YOU Dell!
  • Reply 13 of 56
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by klinux

    If so, why don't you start a computer business (heck, any business) then and make it a Fortune 500 company in less than 10 years?



    I'm not trying to disagree with your overall point, but Dell moved into that position because computers moved into prominence in society. Dell didn't make itself a Fortune 500 company so much as it led the pack in a race to the top of a market when that whole market moved to the top.



    The PS2 is the least powerful of the three main video game consoles, but it's sold nearly three times as much as the two main competitors combined.
  • Reply 14 of 56
    Quote:

    Originally posted by satchmo

    Dell, while not innovative, do know how to make inexpensive products.



    READ: 'Cheap and crappy products.'
  • Reply 15 of 56
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquatic

    Duh? It's called child labor. That and using cheaper shit. How innovative. Lots of other companies employ this approach. Look at any brand x in any market. Sharp for example has particularly crappy products. Dell is famous for using cheaper screws. But how long do their products last? My iPod has survived a beating nothing should survive. And now I'm selling it to get a new one (when they get a mic)!! FCUK YOU Dell!



    Uh, when you are done ranting I will be prepared to hear an actual argument.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Bunge

    Dell didn't make itself a Fortune 500 company so much as it led the pack in a race to the top of a market when that whole market moved to the top.



    Incorrect. Why did IBM, which created the personal PC, and dominated the market then lead the pack? Or any of the PC computers that were established before Dell? Or, once they see Dell came up, try to copy Dell's success and beat Dell?



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Bunge

    The PS2 is the least powerful of the three main video game consoles, but it's sold nearly three times as much as the two main competitors combined.



    How is this related to Dell???





    Quote:

    Originally posted by Bunge

    READ: 'Cheap and crappy products.'



    You got the cheap part right. Crappy? Sure, you hear a anecdote here and there but one is bound to hear them when you are the #1 PC makers. I will match one apocryphal horror story to another success story. Furthermore, no one has addressed the point that Dell, like Walmart, lowers the price for everyone. That includes iPods, printers, etc.
  • Reply 16 of 56
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    Definatly PS2 is better then GameCube
  • Reply 17 of 56
    jlljll Posts: 2,713member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by klinux

    Dell is not suppose to innovate (at least in product development). It is suppose to gain marketshare by offering same/similarly products at aggresive price. It is doing that well and that is making Dell #1 in the marketplace. As a shareholder, you would not want it to innovate either.



    And what would they do if/when they get almost everything in the market?
  • Reply 18 of 56
    jlljll Posts: 2,713member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by klinux

    [B]You got the cheap part right. Crappy? Sure, you hear a anecdote here and there but one is bound to hear them when you are the #1 PC makers./B]



    Well, they have a very high return rate.
  • Reply 19 of 56
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    I love Dell.com and their phone sales department!



    "I'd like to check if 30 GB iPod is in stock."

    "Isn't that Apple?"

    "Yes...you carry them."

    "Oh, wow, it looks like we do. I didn't know that..."

    "..."

    "Yes, we have it for $499."

    "Okay, I'd like to order one with a few coupons..."

    "Okay, can you give me the coupon codes?"

    "Blah blah blah blah for 15% off, and blah blah blah blah for $40 off a $450 purchase..."



    ...and so on...they usually ask you which PC order I'd like to add to, which of course is no order...They usually pause at that point, dumbfounded by the final price of the order, but process it anyway. Most of the time the stuff they sell probably ends up being not much more than distributor pricing.
  • Reply 20 of 56
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by JLL

    Well, they have a very high return rate.



    That's really not true. Dells are pretty reliable as far as PCs go, and very price competitive when you use their coupons. And let's not forget that Dell's cheapest service plan provides one year of ON-SITE service. A Dell technician will come to your door with all the necessary components and fix your computer right there.
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