Protecting rapists:Planned Parenthood
We will not report rapists
This is just wrong. As somene who is a mandated reporter myself, it sickens me to think that these clinics would assist these rapists in continuing their abuse.
A 22 year old man could be arrested for buying this child a beer, but not for raping her by having sex with her at an age at which she cannot fully understand or give consent.
And before all the insulting blowhards try to change the subject remember that that most 7th graders are 13 years old. Planned Parenthood is a MANDATED reporter of child abuse and the beneficiary of all this is older men preying on female children.
Nick
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Here is the issue. Health-care personnel are ordinarily mandatory reporters of child abuse. But a recent survey has prompted the question of whether abortion clinics take this responsibility seriously. A woman called Planned Parenthood Clinics across the country and told them that she was 13, and pregnant by her 22-year-old boyfriend. The overwhelming majority of the clinics told her she could come in for an abortion with complete confidentiality; they would not report her boyfriend for statutory rape.
Here is the issue. Health-care personnel are ordinarily mandatory reporters of child abuse. But a recent survey has prompted the question of whether abortion clinics take this responsibility seriously. A woman called Planned Parenthood Clinics across the country and told them that she was 13, and pregnant by her 22-year-old boyfriend. The overwhelming majority of the clinics told her she could come in for an abortion with complete confidentiality; they would not report her boyfriend for statutory rape.
This is just wrong. As somene who is a mandated reporter myself, it sickens me to think that these clinics would assist these rapists in continuing their abuse.
A 22 year old man could be arrested for buying this child a beer, but not for raping her by having sex with her at an age at which she cannot fully understand or give consent.
And before all the insulting blowhards try to change the subject remember that that most 7th graders are 13 years old. Planned Parenthood is a MANDATED reporter of child abuse and the beneficiary of all this is older men preying on female children.
Nick
Comments
It seems like a conflict between different laws to me. The Planned Parenthood workers are following the law as they understand it. If there's another law that conflicts with it, then the courts have to decide how to resolve that.
BTW, I think it's cute that trumptman reads iFeminists.
Assault? Rape? I don't know.
Originally posted by BRussell
There are laws requiring confidentiality in providing medical services, even if the patient is a minor - in particular, I think most states require confidentiality (i.e., no parental notification) for abortions.
It seems like a conflict between different laws to me. The Planned Parenthood workers are following the law as they understand it. If there's another law that conflicts with it, then the courts have to decide how to resolve that.
BTW, I think it's cute that trumptman reads iFeminists.
The same sort of contradiction exist in France. There is the respect of the medical secret, and there is also the obligation to denounce some crimes, like rape, violences and child abuse.
These situations are very hard to manage : it's a huge resonsabilitie.
If a 16 year old girl get's pregnant with her 18 year old boyfriend should that be reported?
If a 13 year old girl gets pregnant... the last thing she needs is a clinic notifying her parents and sending her boyfriend to jail. What if her boyfriend is 13 too?
The issue is alot more complex than how you portray it.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
I like how you single out planned parenthood.
If a 16 year old girl get's pregnant with her 18 year old boyfriend should that be reported?
If a 13 year old girl gets pregnant... the last thing she needs is a clinic notifying her parents and sending her boyfriend to jail. What if her boyfriend is 13 too?
The issue is alot more complex than how you portray it.
You never asked my opinion about the varying shades of gray that are possible with this issue. I would be happy to answer any questions you have about those issues. Give some hypotheticals. In the meantime don't you think helping a 22 year old rape a 13 year old girl ought to be condemned?
What is clear that these clinics are willing to help the most obvious and unarguable cases of rape with the youngest female being used by clearly older men who by any definition are rapists. That is sick and wrong.
Nick
Originally posted by Scott
I couldn't tell you the details and I'm sure that they vary by state but hospitals are required by law to report when patients come in being the victims of crimes. You know, if you come into the ER with a gun shot wound and a bank dye pack all over you ... they're required to call the cops.
Assault? Rape? I don't know.
At least for SC you are not required to report rapes, in fact it is up to the victim to decide. Now that doesnt mean molestation...
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Slow news cycle, huh, trumptman?
I know that Justice department investigation must be back on page... what 15 in the newspapers by now?
We need a kissing smilie. My life won't be complete until I can kiss ShawnJ.
Hahahahaha
On a more serious note though, you going to address the thread topic? Should Planned Parenthood be condemned for saying they wouldn't report what a predatory 22 year old man would have done to a 13 year old female child?
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
On a more serious note though, you going to address the thread topic? Should Planned Parenthood be condemned for saying they wouldn't report what a predatory 22 year old man would have done to a 13 year old female child?
On a more serious note though, (are) you going to address the thread topic? Should Planned Parenthood be condemned for saying they wouldn't report what a 22 year old man-child would have done to a 13 year old female vixen?
Originally posted by trumptman
In the meantime don't you think helping a 22 year old rape a 13 year old girl ought to be condemned?
I love the spin put on this.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the girl is coming in pregnant, wouldn't she have already been raped? If so, how would they be helping him rape her if she's already been raped?
Originally posted by rageous
I love the spin put on this.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the girl is coming in pregnant, wouldn't she have already been raped? If so, how would they be helping him rape her if she's already been raped?
Yes you are right. I suppose they would have to be "holding her down" to be helping rape her.
Endorsing the act helps bring more of them about. Whether you care to see that or not it is true. The predatory male is free to hunt again another day, perhaps even with the same girl thanks to the fact that Planned Parenthood didn't report it.
Nick
Endorsing the act helps bring more of them about.
Grab a dictionary and look up the word "endorse", troll.
I wonder which organization has "protected" more rapists: Christianity or Planned Parenthood.
Things that make you go "hmmmmm".
You're ignoring the fact that 13 year old girls are having concentual sex... with boy their age and older.
When a girl goes to Planned Parenthood... they are there to help her. Not start a criminal investigation.
Are you really trying to say that a 13 year old has the maturity, in general, to give informed consent to an adult who, let's face it, has many more years of experience with emotional manipulation? I disagree.
The staff members at Planned Parenthood are promising confidentiality to help the fictional girl get needed medical treatment, and portraying it as somehow malicious is deceitful.
The woman who wrote that article is not fairly addressing the position of the AMA or Planned Parenthood, regardless of whether you agree with that position or not. My understanding is that the biggest issue is whether the minor will be too afraid to seek needed medical care, not whether that fear is justified.
I believe I have a good bioethics book that addresses this issue by having two point/counter-point articles on this topic. I will post the name if I have time to dig it up later.
Originally posted by groverat
Grab a dictionary and look up the word "endorse", troll.
I wonder which organization has "protected" more rapists: Christianity or Planned Parenthood.
Things that make you go "hmmmmm".
What would make me go hmmm, your nonsense question accompanied by your bullshit rant?
Nick
Originally posted by chu_bakka
What about predatory 15 year olds?
You're ignoring the fact that 13 year old girls are having concentual sex... with boy their age and older.
When a girl goes to Planned Parenthood... they are there to help her. Not start a criminal investigation.
Consentual implies they have the mental capacity, experience, and ability to give their approval. A 13 year old seventh grader has no such ability. They may take the actions, but that doesn't mean they have the mental development that goes with it.
What's even more hypocritical is I know you wouldn't want to try that 13 or 15 year old as adults if they say, murdered someone likely claiming that they didn't fully have an adult understanding of what they did.
Well if it is true for murder, it is true for sex and rape.
Take a look at this...
? While 93% of teenage women report that their first intercourse was voluntary, one-quarter of these young women report that it was unwanted.
? The younger women are when they first have intercourse, the more likely they are to have had unwanted or nonvoluntary first sex--7 in 10 of those who had sex before age 13, for example.5
? Nearly two-thirds (64%) of sexually active 15-17-year-old women have partners who are within two years of their age; 29% have sexual partners who are 3-5 years older, and 7% have partners who are six or more years older.6
? Most sexually active young men have female partners close to their age: 76% of the partners of 19-year-old men are either 17 (33%) or 18 (43%); 13% are 16, and 11% are aged 13-15.7
From the PP source of research.
There are the statistics that take care of your slippery slope. We don't have to target all men. Just those that are of adult age that target very young female children and cause them to have sex against their will. Even if it wasn't against their "will", it was likely unwanted but a 13 year old girl doesn't know how to deal with a 22 year old man.
And if your definition of help is to let a man get off for his crime with no consequences and be free to do it again, they I guess PP helps "plenty."
Nick