Your a psycho because you are equating me with other religions. I only support and defend the Catholic religion. So why point out all these terrible, sick things?
Your religion is exactly like that religion: people do things and say things that result in pain and death. They do so with 100% faith and conviction that God has ordered it to be so.
I point out these terrible, sick things to get it into you that the course of action you justify with faith results in more pain for more people then having your clitoris cut off with a rusty knife. Not hyperbole. Dying of AIDS is worse. And dying of AIDS is largely avoidable by wearing a piece of plastic on your cock, which you would deny to people because God said it should be so.
Ok, forgive me if I haven't been following along, but if you're here to defend the Catholic religion are you actually supporting the presentation of factually incorrect information about condoms and HIV?
Also, since the homosexuality issue was brought up can you explain to me how the church decides someone is, in fact, homosexual? I mean, I know of a lot of cases where people are born with indeterminate genitalia (both male and female aspects) and traditionally the doctors will make a choice to use surgery to make them boy or girl. Some of these people end up attracted to the "opposite" sex, at least opposite to the sex assigned them. Are they homosexuals?
dying of AIDS is largely avoidable by wearing a piece of plastic on your cock, which you would deny to people because God said it should be so.
Its also largely avoidable by abstinence. I also never said anything about denying anything to anyone. Do what you please. As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.
My God, I see it now, I was totally wrong...we all were.... how could we miss this conclusive proof ? I mean what sort of denial were we living in ?
And thank God Jukebox pointed out to pay special attention to that last bit - with all the information overload IO might have missed it and gone to hell....
I am shocked beyond belief that you people have the intelligence necessary to log on to this website... simply amazing... Are you really retarded? If so, let me know and I will lay off.
If it were up to me, I would tell him it was okay and to have at it. But I bow to my creator. It is his decision, not mine. Honestly I wish there was something else I could tell him because it hurts to have to tell him the truth.
Stop equating YOUR OPINION with the truth.
Why should I believe that the crap you shovel here, your hatred of gays, your hatred of those who wish to have safe sex, your hatred of non-Catholics, is the truth?
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There are lots of diseases that people are born with.
Homosexuality is not a disease.
Catholicism is.
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But as for me and my family, we choose the Lord. [/B]
No, you choose what you think the Lord is. YOUR OPINION YOUR OPINION YOUR OPINION.
I disagree.
So why should I accept that you're right, and I'm wrong? What good reason can you give me?
No he didn't - that's a blatant mistruth (and therefore a sin) - there was no church in Jesus's lifetime.
The first Church's were founded by the Apostles and Paul after Jesus's death AND they demonstrably have no relation to the Catholic Church whatsoever - especially as the doctrine of Apostolic succession was introduced (ie invented) 400 years later.
That's not true. You can find references to the concept of Apostolic Succession, particularly the succession of the authority of the Bishop of Rome from Peter, in many second century Christian documents. The writings of St. Polycarp, for instance.
But much like the paraplegic is bound to a wheelchair and a blind man is not free to see the birds, so is a Gay man bound to abstinence according to God's law.
3) He visited the Apostles for 40 days after his resurrection and established his church in great detail.
Only in the Lucan narrative. In Mark and Matthew, there was no separation between Resurrection and Ascension. Mark doesn't even include the Resurrection. Luke, using Moses as his mold for his Christ figure, created the 40-day Pentecostal sequence as a means of highlighting his subtext. The other Gospel writers and Paul show no recollection of any such period, either in person or in early Christian lore.
Its also largely avoidable by abstinence. I also never said anything about denying anything to anyone. Do what you please. As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.
I have been abstinent all my life. I marry my husband, who, sadly caught AIDS. I catch AIDS. A condom would have saved me; abstinence ALONE killed me.
You are condoning the point of view of the Catholic Church who would deny people condoms. Don't use semantic bullshit to avoid responsibility for what you have said or what you are implying.
You follow the Lord all you want. If His people are lying in His name it should be your duty to speak out. The Catholic Church has been wrong before (or do you think the sun goes round the Earth?) and it is wrong now.
Ok, forgive me if I haven't been following along, but if you're here to defend the Catholic religion are you actually supporting the presentation of factually incorrect information about condoms and HIV?
If the Catholic Church says it, then I'm am supporting it. If Joe Media says it as a mis-representation of the Catholic Church, then I do not support it.
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Also, since the homosexuality issue was brought up can you explain to me how the church decides someone is, in fact, homosexual? I mean, I know of a lot of cases where people are born with indeterminate genitalia (both male and female aspects) and traditionally the doctors will make a choice to use surgery to make them boy or girl. Some of these people end up attracted to the "opposite" sex, at least opposite to the sex assigned them. Are they homosexuals?
You act like abstinence is the worst thing that could happen to any person. It doesn't (or shouldn't) affect someones ability to love and to receive love. I really feel sorry for all of you that believe that is the entire kit-and-kaboodle that love has to offer. If someone is gay, there is nothing in God's law that says they can't live their life together and love each other. The only thing that God's law says is that they must abstain from sex.
You know, there are worse tragedies in the world than someone that can't have sex anymore. Don't you think this time and effort would be better spent trying to help someone who is truely suffering?
Why should I believe that the crap you shovel here, your hatred of gays, your hatred of those who wish to have safe sex, your hatred of non-Catholics, is the truth?
I don't hate anyone. My opinion is backed up by 4000 years of documented human history. Yours has been largely invented within the last three or four hundred years.
Your a psycho because you are equating me with other religions. I only support and defend the Catholic religion. So why point out all these terrible, sick things?
Because they are analagous to the terrible and sick things your filthy religion is guilty of. The Crusades. The Inquisition. The massive and widespread rape and molestation of children by your "holy" priests.
The Catholic Church in America pushed through laws that barred anyone -- ANYONE -- from gaining access to birth control in many states. It took a Supreme Court action to strike down all those laws.
The Catholic Church in America is actively working to continue the current governmental discrimination and oppression against gay people who wish to form life-long, legally protected and binding relationships.
The Catholic Church in America protected pedophiles, moved them to new churches, let them rape -- RAPE -- more children. And did so without remorse.
That's a lot of evil. And all only in America.
The Catholic Church in Ireland took women who were knocked up in their teens and forced them into slave labor camps to "save their souls," forcing them to work for the rest of their lives sewing and doing laundry.
What a wonderful religion you protect. Nothing like those tribes who perform female circumcision, is it?
You are condoning the point of view of the Catholic Church who would deny people condoms. Don't use semantic bullshit to avoid responsibility for what you have said or what you are implying.
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You follow the Lord all you want. If His people are lying in His name it should be your duty to speak out. The Catholic Church has been wrong before (or do you think the sun goes round the Earth?) and it is wrong now.
Death and pain. Deal with it.
I would most certainly speak out if I saw someone lying in His name. There was a time in human history when believers and non-believers alike were part of the Catholic Church. But God promised to preserve it for true believers.
If the Catholic Church says it, then I'm am supporting it. If Joe Media says it as a mis-representation of the Catholic Church, then I do not support it.
Whether it's factual or not?
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Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
You act like abstinence is the worst thing that could happen to any person. It doesn't (or shouldn't) affect someones ability to love and to receive love. I really feel sorry for all of you that believe that is the entire kit-and-kaboodle that love has to offer. If someone is gay, there is nothing in God's law that says they can't live their life together and love each other. The only thing that God's law says is that they must abstain from sex.
Whoa, talk about your red herrings. Did I ever say abstinence is the worst thing in the world? I asked a simple question about how the catholic church decides if someone is a homosexual given my example of those afflicted with indeterminate genitalia. Care to take another try at it?
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You know, there are worse tragedies in the world than someone that can't have sex anymore. Don't you think this time and effort would be better spent trying to help someone who is truely suffering?
You mean like someone having to much sex, without birth control in an area where most people are dying from starvation? Yeah, your right, that is worse. (Put words in my mouth will ya! )
If the Catholic Church says it, then I'm am supporting it. If Joe Media says it as a mis-representation of the Catholic Church, then I do not support it.
So when the Catholic Church in America was saying that their priests didn't go around buggering little children, you supported them?
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You act like abstinence is the worst thing that could happen to any person.
No, I'd figure being married to you would be. I feel sorry for your wife.
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The only thing that God's law says is that they must abstain from sex.
I don't hate anyone. My opinion is backed up by 4000 years of documented human history. Yours has been largely invented within the last three or four hundred years.
For thousands years people thought the Earth was the center of the universe. That doing bad things caused you to get sick. That parental sin caused "demonic possession." Just because a piece of "wisdom" is old doesn't mean it's right.
Because they are analagous to the terrible and sick things your filthy religion is guilty of. The Crusades. The Inquisition. The massive and widespread rape and molestation of children by your "holy" priests.
The Catholic Church in America pushed through laws that barred anyone -- ANYONE -- from gaining access to birth control in many states. It took a Supreme Court action to strike down all those laws.
The Catholic Church in America is actively working to continue the current governmental discrimination and oppression against gay people who wish to form life-long, legally protected and binding relationships.
The Catholic Church in America protected pedophiles, moved them to new churches, let them rape -- RAPE -- more children. And did so without remorse.
That's a lot of evil. And all only in America.
The Catholic Church in Ireland took women who were knocked up in their teens and forced them into slave labor camps to "save their souls," forcing them to work for the rest of their lives sewing and doing laundry.
What a wonderful religion you protect. Nothing like those tribes who perform female circumcision, is it?
1) The Religion (The documented beliefs)
2) The People (Billions of people throughout history; people who lived in different times and places than the comfy spoiled couch you call America. Theres bound to be some rotton to the core. I could make the same sweeping generalization about non-Catholics by pointing out crimes that non-Catholics committed on the world. In the end it proves nothing. All it does is justify your bitterness.)
2) The People (Billions of people throughout history; people who lived in different times and places than the comfy spoiled couch you call America. Theres bound to be some rotton to the core. I could make the same sweeping generalization about non-Catholics by pointing out crimes that non-Catholics committed on the world. In the end it proves nothing. All it does is justify your bitterness.)
America is hardly a comfy couch when you're gay. This is a horrible nation if you're different than the norm. A hateful, parochial cesspool of scum and fundamentalists. And a lot of that is because of the Catholic Church and its evil, perverted doctrines, which fly directly in the face of reality when it comes to sexuality, sexual health, reproduction and other forms of biological science.
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Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Your a psycho because you are equating me with other religions. I only support and defend the Catholic religion. So why point out all these terrible, sick things?
Your religion is exactly like that religion: people do things and say things that result in pain and death. They do so with 100% faith and conviction that God has ordered it to be so.
I point out these terrible, sick things to get it into you that the course of action you justify with faith results in more pain for more people then having your clitoris cut off with a rusty knife. Not hyperbole. Dying of AIDS is worse. And dying of AIDS is largely avoidable by wearing a piece of plastic on your cock, which you would deny to people because God said it should be so.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
I only support and defend the Catholic religion.
Ok, forgive me if I haven't been following along, but if you're here to defend the Catholic religion are you actually supporting the presentation of factually incorrect information about condoms and HIV?
Also, since the homosexuality issue was brought up can you explain to me how the church decides someone is, in fact, homosexual? I mean, I know of a lot of cases where people are born with indeterminate genitalia (both male and female aspects) and traditionally the doctors will make a choice to use surgery to make them boy or girl. Some of these people end up attracted to the "opposite" sex, at least opposite to the sex assigned them. Are they homosexuals?
Originally posted by Harald
dying of AIDS is largely avoidable by wearing a piece of plastic on your cock, which you would deny to people because God said it should be so.
Its also largely avoidable by abstinence. I also never said anything about denying anything to anyone. Do what you please. As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.
Originally posted by segovius
My God, I see it now, I was totally wrong...we all were.... how could we miss this conclusive proof ? I mean what sort of denial were we living in ?
And thank God Jukebox pointed out to pay special attention to that last bit - with all the information overload IO might have missed it and gone to hell....
I am shocked beyond belief that you people have the intelligence necessary to log on to this website... simply amazing... Are you really retarded? If so, let me know and I will lay off.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
If it were up to me, I would tell him it was okay and to have at it. But I bow to my creator. It is his decision, not mine. Honestly I wish there was something else I could tell him because it hurts to have to tell him the truth.
Stop equating YOUR OPINION with the truth.
Why should I believe that the crap you shovel here, your hatred of gays, your hatred of those who wish to have safe sex, your hatred of non-Catholics, is the truth?
There are lots of diseases that people are born with.
Homosexuality is not a disease.
Catholicism is.
But as for me and my family, we choose the Lord. [/B]
No, you choose what you think the Lord is. YOUR OPINION YOUR OPINION YOUR OPINION.
I disagree.
So why should I accept that you're right, and I'm wrong? What good reason can you give me?
I hope all your children grow up to be gay.
Originally posted by segovius
No he didn't - that's a blatant mistruth (and therefore a sin) - there was no church in Jesus's lifetime.
The first Church's were founded by the Apostles and Paul after Jesus's death AND they demonstrably have no relation to the Catholic Church whatsoever - especially as the doctrine of Apostolic succession was introduced (ie invented) 400 years later.
That's not true. You can find references to the concept of Apostolic Succession, particularly the succession of the authority of the Bishop of Rome from Peter, in many second century Christian documents. The writings of St. Polycarp, for instance.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Your opinion.
Right back at you.
But much like the paraplegic is bound to a wheelchair and a blind man is not free to see the birds, so is a Gay man bound to abstinence according to God's law.
Your opinion.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
3) He visited the Apostles for 40 days after his resurrection and established his church in great detail.
Only in the Lucan narrative. In Mark and Matthew, there was no separation between Resurrection and Ascension. Mark doesn't even include the Resurrection. Luke, using Moses as his mold for his Christ figure, created the 40-day Pentecostal sequence as a means of highlighting his subtext. The other Gospel writers and Paul show no recollection of any such period, either in person or in early Christian lore.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Its also largely avoidable by abstinence. I also never said anything about denying anything to anyone. Do what you please. As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.
I have been abstinent all my life. I marry my husband, who, sadly caught AIDS. I catch AIDS. A condom would have saved me; abstinence ALONE killed me.
You are condoning the point of view of the Catholic Church who would deny people condoms. Don't use semantic bullshit to avoid responsibility for what you have said or what you are implying.
You follow the Lord all you want. If His people are lying in His name it should be your duty to speak out. The Catholic Church has been wrong before (or do you think the sun goes round the Earth?) and it is wrong now.
Death and pain. Deal with it.
Originally posted by Nordstrodamus
Ok, forgive me if I haven't been following along, but if you're here to defend the Catholic religion are you actually supporting the presentation of factually incorrect information about condoms and HIV?
If the Catholic Church says it, then I'm am supporting it. If Joe Media says it as a mis-representation of the Catholic Church, then I do not support it.
Also, since the homosexuality issue was brought up can you explain to me how the church decides someone is, in fact, homosexual? I mean, I know of a lot of cases where people are born with indeterminate genitalia (both male and female aspects) and traditionally the doctors will make a choice to use surgery to make them boy or girl. Some of these people end up attracted to the "opposite" sex, at least opposite to the sex assigned them. Are they homosexuals?
You act like abstinence is the worst thing that could happen to any person. It doesn't (or shouldn't) affect someones ability to love and to receive love. I really feel sorry for all of you that believe that is the entire kit-and-kaboodle that love has to offer. If someone is gay, there is nothing in God's law that says they can't live their life together and love each other. The only thing that God's law says is that they must abstain from sex.
You know, there are worse tragedies in the world than someone that can't have sex anymore. Don't you think this time and effort would be better spent trying to help someone who is truely suffering?
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
see that little textbox in the lower left hand corner where it says "search by passage"... well, type "matthew 16" and hit enter or click [go]...
Isn't technology grand?
Um, ok... not sure what I'm supposed to do with a buttload of bible passages, but I'm guessing your missing sego's point about "detail".
Anyway, did you catch my post at the end of page 7?
Edit in- ok, you did, never mind
Originally posted by Kirkland
Stop equating YOUR OPINION with the truth.
Why should I believe that the crap you shovel here, your hatred of gays, your hatred of those who wish to have safe sex, your hatred of non-Catholics, is the truth?
I don't hate anyone. My opinion is backed up by 4000 years of documented human history. Yours has been largely invented within the last three or four hundred years.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Your a psycho because you are equating me with other religions. I only support and defend the Catholic religion. So why point out all these terrible, sick things?
Because they are analagous to the terrible and sick things your filthy religion is guilty of. The Crusades. The Inquisition. The massive and widespread rape and molestation of children by your "holy" priests.
The Catholic Church in America pushed through laws that barred anyone -- ANYONE -- from gaining access to birth control in many states. It took a Supreme Court action to strike down all those laws.
The Catholic Church in America is actively working to continue the current governmental discrimination and oppression against gay people who wish to form life-long, legally protected and binding relationships.
The Catholic Church in America protected pedophiles, moved them to new churches, let them rape -- RAPE -- more children. And did so without remorse.
That's a lot of evil. And all only in America.
The Catholic Church in Ireland took women who were knocked up in their teens and forced them into slave labor camps to "save their souls," forcing them to work for the rest of their lives sewing and doing laundry.
What a wonderful religion you protect. Nothing like those tribes who perform female circumcision, is it?
Originally posted by Harald
You are condoning the point of view of the Catholic Church who would deny people condoms. Don't use semantic bullshit to avoid responsibility for what you have said or what you are implying.
You follow the Lord all you want. If His people are lying in His name it should be your duty to speak out. The Catholic Church has been wrong before (or do you think the sun goes round the Earth?) and it is wrong now.
Death and pain. Deal with it.
I would most certainly speak out if I saw someone lying in His name. There was a time in human history when believers and non-believers alike were part of the Catholic Church. But God promised to preserve it for true believers.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
If the Catholic Church says it, then I'm am supporting it. If Joe Media says it as a mis-representation of the Catholic Church, then I do not support it.
Whether it's factual or not?
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
You act like abstinence is the worst thing that could happen to any person. It doesn't (or shouldn't) affect someones ability to love and to receive love. I really feel sorry for all of you that believe that is the entire kit-and-kaboodle that love has to offer. If someone is gay, there is nothing in God's law that says they can't live their life together and love each other. The only thing that God's law says is that they must abstain from sex.
Whoa, talk about your red herrings. Did I ever say abstinence is the worst thing in the world? I asked a simple question about how the catholic church decides if someone is a homosexual given my example of those afflicted with indeterminate genitalia. Care to take another try at it?
You know, there are worse tragedies in the world than someone that can't have sex anymore. Don't you think this time and effort would be better spent trying to help someone who is truely suffering?
You mean like someone having to much sex, without birth control in an area where most people are dying from starvation? Yeah, your right, that is worse. (Put words in my mouth will ya!
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
If the Catholic Church says it, then I'm am supporting it. If Joe Media says it as a mis-representation of the Catholic Church, then I do not support it.
So when the Catholic Church in America was saying that their priests didn't go around buggering little children, you supported them?
You act like abstinence is the worst thing that could happen to any person.
No, I'd figure being married to you would be. I feel sorry for your wife.
The only thing that God's law says is that they must abstain from sex.
In your opinion.
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
I don't hate anyone. My opinion is backed up by 4000 years of documented human history. Yours has been largely invented within the last three or four hundred years.
For thousands years people thought the Earth was the center of the universe. That doing bad things caused you to get sick. That parental sin caused "demonic possession." Just because a piece of "wisdom" is old doesn't mean it's right.
Originally posted by Kirkland
Because they are analagous to the terrible and sick things your filthy religion is guilty of. The Crusades. The Inquisition. The massive and widespread rape and molestation of children by your "holy" priests.
The Catholic Church in America pushed through laws that barred anyone -- ANYONE -- from gaining access to birth control in many states. It took a Supreme Court action to strike down all those laws.
The Catholic Church in America is actively working to continue the current governmental discrimination and oppression against gay people who wish to form life-long, legally protected and binding relationships.
The Catholic Church in America protected pedophiles, moved them to new churches, let them rape -- RAPE -- more children. And did so without remorse.
That's a lot of evil. And all only in America.
The Catholic Church in Ireland took women who were knocked up in their teens and forced them into slave labor camps to "save their souls," forcing them to work for the rest of their lives sewing and doing laundry.
What a wonderful religion you protect. Nothing like those tribes who perform female circumcision, is it?
1) The Religion (The documented beliefs)
2) The People (Billions of people throughout history; people who lived in different times and places than the comfy spoiled couch you call America. Theres bound to be some rotton to the core. I could make the same sweeping generalization about non-Catholics by pointing out crimes that non-Catholics committed on the world. In the end it proves nothing. All it does is justify your bitterness.)
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
1) The Religion (The documented beliefs)
2) The People (Billions of people throughout history; people who lived in different times and places than the comfy spoiled couch you call America. Theres bound to be some rotton to the core. I could make the same sweeping generalization about non-Catholics by pointing out crimes that non-Catholics committed on the world. In the end it proves nothing. All it does is justify your bitterness.)
America is hardly a comfy couch when you're gay. This is a horrible nation if you're different than the norm. A hateful, parochial cesspool of scum and fundamentalists. And a lot of that is because of the Catholic Church and its evil, perverted doctrines, which fly directly in the face of reality when it comes to sexuality, sexual health, reproduction and other forms of biological science.
The earth moves, as Galilleo said on his death bed.
The Catholic Church is lying when it says that condoms do not prevent AIDS, and millions would die if the advice was taken.
Why then will you not speak out about this?