Also let us all remember how well the Democrats did the last time they proposed taking over the entire health care industry. (We can all argue to what degree Dean's proposal is universal, etc. but that is the line that will be repeated)
I think they lost the House didn't they...hmmmmm..1994....
Yep... Dean for Democratic Nominee!
Nick
Going into the final day of the college football regular season, Oklahoma was undefeated and ranked No. 1. The Sooners had the best defense in the nation, had outscored their opponents by an average of 35 points and had a nine-game winning streak against ranked teams. "OU: Among best ever?" USA Today asked (rhetorically) on Friday. Kansas State, by contrast, had three losses, and had never won a Big 12 championship. Oklahoma was favored by two touchdowns. Kansas State, of course, won, 35-7.
For the next 11 months, Republicans, conservatives and Bush campaign operatives should, on arising, immediately following their morning prayers, repeat that score aloud 10 times. Underdogs do sometimes win. Howard Dean could beat President Bush. Saying you're not overconfident (as the OU players repeatedly did) is no substitute for really not being overconfident. And if Bush loses next November, it's over. There's no BCS computer to give him another shot at the national championship in the Sugar Bowl.
Could Dean really win? Unfortunately, yes. The Democratic presidential candidate has, alas, won the popular presidential vote three times in a row -- twice, admittedly, under the guidance of the skilled Bill Clinton, but most recently with the hapless Al Gore at the helm. And demographic trends (particularly the growth in Hispanic voters) tend to favor the Democrats going into 2004.
But surely the fact that Bush is now a proven president running for reelection changes everything? Sort of. Bush is also likely to be the first president since Herbert Hoover under whom there will have been no net job creation, and the first since Lyndon Johnson whose core justification for sending U.S. soldiers to war could be widely (if unfairly) judged to have been misleading.
And President Bush will be running for reelection after a two-year period in which his party has controlled both houses of Congress. The last two times the American people confronted a president and a Congress controlled by the same party were in 1980 and 1994. The voters decided in both cases to restore what they have consistently preferred for the last two generations: divided government. Since continued GOP control of at least the House of Representatives seems ensured, the easiest way for voters to re-divide government would be to replace President Bush in 2004. And with a plurality of voters believing the country is on the wrong track, why shouldn't they boot out the incumbent president?
But is Dean a credible alternative? Was Kansas State? Dean has run a terrific primary campaign, the most impressive since Carter in 1976. It's true that, unlike Carter (and Clinton), Dean is a Northeastern liberal. But he's no Dukakis. Does anyone expect Dean to be a patsy for a Bush assault, as the Massachusetts governor was?
And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination. And one underestimates, at this point when we are all caught up in the primary season, how much of an opportunity the party's nominee has to define or redefine himself once he gets the nomination.
Thus, on domestic policy, Dean will characterize Bush as the deficit-expanding, Social Security-threatening, Constitution-amending (on marriage) radical, while positioning himself as a hard-headed, budget-balancing, federalism-respecting compassionate moderate. And on foreign and defense policy, look for Dean to say that he was and remains anti-Iraq war (as, he will point out, were lots of traditional centrist foreign policy types). But Dean will emphasize that he has never ruled out the use of force (including unilaterally). Indeed, he will say, he believes in military strength so strongly that he thinks we should increase the size of the Army by a division or two. It's Bush, Dean will point out, who's trying to deal with the new, post-Sept. 11 world with a pre-Sept. 11 military.
But what about Sept. 11? Surely Bush's response to the attacks, and his overall leadership in the war on terrorism, remain compelling reasons to keep him in office. They do for me. But while Bush is committed to victory in that war, his secretary of state seems committed to diplomatic compromise, and his secretary of defense to an odd kind of muscle-flexing-disengagement. And when Bush's chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., said on Sunday with regard to Iraq, "We're going to get out of there as quickly as we can, but not before we finish the mission at hand," one wonders: Wouldn't Howard Dean agree with that formulation? Indeed, doesn't the first half of that sentence suggest that even the most senior of Bush's subordinates haven't really internalized the president's view of the fundamental character of this war? If they haven't, will the American people grasp the need for Bush's continued leadership on Nov. 2? If not, prepare for President Dean.
hmmm... let's see... musta been a governor from a poor southern state... hmmm... he wasn't supposed to have a chance against a President that lead us through a successful war...
hmmm... let's see... musta been a governor from a poor southern state... hmmm... he wasn't supposed to have a chance against a President that lead us through a successful war...
now all we need is a popular democrat from the south and a looney moderate whack-job to mount an independent presidential bid.
For everyone's information Bill Kristol, the author of the lengthy article above, is the prince of darkness himself, the granddady and patron of a whole generation of neo-conservative thinkers.
It's unclear why he is writing this editorial, but it is worthy of note.
For everyone's information Bill Kristol, the author, is the prince of darkness himself, the granddady and patron of a whole generation of neo-conservative thinkers.
It's unclear why he is writing this editorial, but it is worthy of note.
it's a clarion call, to wake up his brethren, newt gingrich (the duke of darkness?) issued one as well.
hmmm... let's see... musta been a governor from a poor southern state... hmmm... he wasn't supposed to have a chance against a President that lead us through a successful war...
Remember that old Mad TV skit? Lowered Expectaaaaations....
For everyone's information Bill Kristol, the author of the lengthy article above, is the prince of darkness himself, the granddady and patron of a whole generation of neo-conservative thinkers.
It's unclear why he is writing this editorial, but it is worthy of note.
Well being the prince of darkness, he is probably doing it some the Bushies can get another 100-200 million out of their supporters.
Lack of threat, lack of money. Hence why Bush is such a constant evil threat who is winning and turning back the clock at all corners while also being too stupid to know which end of his toothbruch to use.
Yeah they have the house... and look what they have to do to get their "popular" bills passed.
"Never before has the House of Representatives operated in such secrecy:
At 2:54 a.m. on a Friday in March, the House cut veterans benefits by three votes.
At 2:39 a.m. on a Friday in April, the House slashed education and health care by five votes.
At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed the Leave No Millionaire Behind tax-cut bill by a handful of votes.
At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House passed the Medicare privatization and prescription drug bill by one vote.
At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in July, the House eviscerated Head Start by one vote.
And then, after returning from summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday in October, the House voted $87 billion for Iraq.
Always in the middle of the night. Always after the press had passed their deadlines. Always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed."
Yeah they have the house... and look what they have to do to get their "popular" bills passed.
"Never before has the House of Representatives operated in such secrecy:
At 2:54 a.m. on a Friday in March, the House cut veterans benefits by three votes.
At 2:39 a.m. on a Friday in April, the House slashed education and health care by five votes.
At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed the Leave No Millionaire Behind tax-cut bill by a handful of votes.
At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House passed the Medicare privatization and prescription drug bill by one vote.
At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in July, the House eviscerated Head Start by one vote.
And then, after returning from summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday in October, the House voted $87 billion for Iraq.
Always in the middle of the night. Always after the press had passed their deadlines. Always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed."
Comments
and that's to see trumtman cry like a little baby.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Keep underestimating him. We like it that way.
I seem to remember someone else having been elected this way.... Hrm... Who was it? /me scratches beard
Originally posted by trumptman
Also let us all remember how well the Democrats did the last time they proposed taking over the entire health care industry. (We can all argue to what degree Dean's proposal is universal, etc. but that is the line that will be repeated)
I think they lost the House didn't they...hmmmmm..1994....
Yep... Dean for Democratic Nominee!
Nick
Going into the final day of the college football regular season, Oklahoma was undefeated and ranked No. 1. The Sooners had the best defense in the nation, had outscored their opponents by an average of 35 points and had a nine-game winning streak against ranked teams. "OU: Among best ever?" USA Today asked (rhetorically) on Friday. Kansas State, by contrast, had three losses, and had never won a Big 12 championship. Oklahoma was favored by two touchdowns. Kansas State, of course, won, 35-7.
For the next 11 months, Republicans, conservatives and Bush campaign operatives should, on arising, immediately following their morning prayers, repeat that score aloud 10 times. Underdogs do sometimes win. Howard Dean could beat President Bush. Saying you're not overconfident (as the OU players repeatedly did) is no substitute for really not being overconfident. And if Bush loses next November, it's over. There's no BCS computer to give him another shot at the national championship in the Sugar Bowl.
Could Dean really win? Unfortunately, yes. The Democratic presidential candidate has, alas, won the popular presidential vote three times in a row -- twice, admittedly, under the guidance of the skilled Bill Clinton, but most recently with the hapless Al Gore at the helm. And demographic trends (particularly the growth in Hispanic voters) tend to favor the Democrats going into 2004.
But surely the fact that Bush is now a proven president running for reelection changes everything? Sort of. Bush is also likely to be the first president since Herbert Hoover under whom there will have been no net job creation, and the first since Lyndon Johnson whose core justification for sending U.S. soldiers to war could be widely (if unfairly) judged to have been misleading.
And President Bush will be running for reelection after a two-year period in which his party has controlled both houses of Congress. The last two times the American people confronted a president and a Congress controlled by the same party were in 1980 and 1994. The voters decided in both cases to restore what they have consistently preferred for the last two generations: divided government. Since continued GOP control of at least the House of Representatives seems ensured, the easiest way for voters to re-divide government would be to replace President Bush in 2004. And with a plurality of voters believing the country is on the wrong track, why shouldn't they boot out the incumbent president?
But is Dean a credible alternative? Was Kansas State? Dean has run a terrific primary campaign, the most impressive since Carter in 1976. It's true that, unlike Carter (and Clinton), Dean is a Northeastern liberal. But he's no Dukakis. Does anyone expect Dean to be a patsy for a Bush assault, as the Massachusetts governor was?
And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination. And one underestimates, at this point when we are all caught up in the primary season, how much of an opportunity the party's nominee has to define or redefine himself once he gets the nomination.
Thus, on domestic policy, Dean will characterize Bush as the deficit-expanding, Social Security-threatening, Constitution-amending (on marriage) radical, while positioning himself as a hard-headed, budget-balancing, federalism-respecting compassionate moderate. And on foreign and defense policy, look for Dean to say that he was and remains anti-Iraq war (as, he will point out, were lots of traditional centrist foreign policy types). But Dean will emphasize that he has never ruled out the use of force (including unilaterally). Indeed, he will say, he believes in military strength so strongly that he thinks we should increase the size of the Army by a division or two. It's Bush, Dean will point out, who's trying to deal with the new, post-Sept. 11 world with a pre-Sept. 11 military.
But what about Sept. 11? Surely Bush's response to the attacks, and his overall leadership in the war on terrorism, remain compelling reasons to keep him in office. They do for me. But while Bush is committed to victory in that war, his secretary of state seems committed to diplomatic compromise, and his secretary of defense to an odd kind of muscle-flexing-disengagement. And when Bush's chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., said on Sunday with regard to Iraq, "We're going to get out of there as quickly as we can, but not before we finish the mission at hand," one wonders: Wouldn't Howard Dean agree with that formulation? Indeed, doesn't the first half of that sentence suggest that even the most senior of Bush's subordinates haven't really internalized the president's view of the fundamental character of this war? If they haven't, will the American people grasp the need for Bush's continued leadership on Nov. 2? If not, prepare for President Dean.
The writer is editor of the Weekly Standard.
© 2003 The Washington Post Company
washingtonpost.com
How Dean Could Win . . .
By William Kristol
congressman rangel to endorse general clark
Originally posted by chu_bakka
hmmm... let's see... musta been a governor from a poor southern state... hmmm... he wasn't supposed to have a chance against a President that lead us through a successful war...
now all we need is a popular democrat from the south and a looney moderate whack-job to mount an independent presidential bid.
hmmmm. what's jesse ventura doing?
It's unclear why he is writing this editorial, but it is worthy of note.
Originally posted by Curufinwe
For everyone's information Bill Kristol, the author, is the prince of darkness himself, the granddady and patron of a whole generation of neo-conservative thinkers.
It's unclear why he is writing this editorial, but it is worthy of note.
it's a clarion call, to wake up his brethren, newt gingrich (the duke of darkness?) issued one as well.
She gets it.
Originally posted by Northgate
Going into the final day of the college football regular season.... By William Kristol
Meh. I linked to this article on page one of the thread.
Originally posted by addabox
Meh. I linked to this article on page one of the thread.
addaboy addabox, you sure did!
people don't bother to read the whole thread sometimes. . . c'est la vie.
Originally posted by Curufinwe
addaboy addabox, you sure did!
people don't bother to read the whole thread sometimes. . . c'est la vie.
Must get credit! Me! Me! Me!
Originally posted by chu_bakka
hmmm... let's see... musta been a governor from a poor southern state... hmmm... he wasn't supposed to have a chance against a President that lead us through a successful war...
Remember that old Mad TV skit? Lowered Expectaaaaations....
Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
one other reason i want the democratic nominee to be seriously poised to win.
and that's to see trumtman cry like a little baby.
Please 8 years of Clinton gave the Republicans both houses. I'll cry all the way to the bank.
Besides if liberals winning made my day untenable, how the hell could I live in Califoria?
Nick
Originally posted by Curufinwe
For everyone's information Bill Kristol, the author of the lengthy article above, is the prince of darkness himself, the granddady and patron of a whole generation of neo-conservative thinkers.
It's unclear why he is writing this editorial, but it is worthy of note.
Well being the prince of darkness, he is probably doing it some the Bushies can get another 100-200 million out of their supporters.
Lack of threat, lack of money. Hence why Bush is such a constant evil threat who is winning and turning back the clock at all corners while also being too stupid to know which end of his toothbruch to use.
No threat = no money.
Nick
Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
one other reason i want the democratic nominee to be seriously poised to win.
and that's to see trumtman cry like a little baby.
Can't help reading this thread and smile. I just know this smile is going to turn into a thunderous laugh come election day.
Originally posted by Existence
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blument...ore/print.html
She gets it.
Sidney Blumenthal is a man.
"Never before has the House of Representatives operated in such secrecy:
At 2:54 a.m. on a Friday in March, the House cut veterans benefits by three votes.
At 2:39 a.m. on a Friday in April, the House slashed education and health care by five votes.
At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed the Leave No Millionaire Behind tax-cut bill by a handful of votes.
At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House passed the Medicare privatization and prescription drug bill by one vote.
At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in July, the House eviscerated Head Start by one vote.
And then, after returning from summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday in October, the House voted $87 billion for Iraq.
Always in the middle of the night. Always after the press had passed their deadlines. Always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed."
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9587
Like thiefs in the night.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Yeah they have the house... and look what they have to do to get their "popular" bills passed.
"Never before has the House of Representatives operated in such secrecy:
At 2:54 a.m. on a Friday in March, the House cut veterans benefits by three votes.
At 2:39 a.m. on a Friday in April, the House slashed education and health care by five votes.
At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed the Leave No Millionaire Behind tax-cut bill by a handful of votes.
At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House passed the Medicare privatization and prescription drug bill by one vote.
At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in July, the House eviscerated Head Start by one vote.
And then, after returning from summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday in October, the House voted $87 billion for Iraq.
Always in the middle of the night. Always after the press had passed their deadlines. Always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed."
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9587
Like thiefs in the night.