I would pay $129 for expose alone, with multi-button mouse it's awesome.
Show desktop, grab file, scale all windows, pause over desired window, window spring-opens, drop file. PURE GENIUS. Drag and drop is not the same anymore.
using it with photoshop in production mode is killer. You should just watch someone use it with a lot of aps open and a lot of windows open. It really speeds things up.
that so doesn't compare! it makes it so that the windows are all resized, and you can see the title of the window. but that is very unhelpful, you have to maximize all the windows all over again..
You don't have to re-maximize the windows again. While reading this thread, I had a pop-up, so I cascaded the windows. See what happens after you do that...
And to all those people saying that Expose is so much better than that, let me remind you that I was just saying that the idea of Expose has long lived inside the Windows OS
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Originally posted by Eugene
Cascade and Tile Windows permanently reposition and resize your windows.
Expose isn't so invasive. Expose doesn't permanently reposition or resize your windows.
I seldom use Expose, but I do use it. I'd never use Cascade and Tile Windows.
I would pay $129 for expose alone, with multi-button mouse it's awesome.
Show desktop, grab file, scale all windows, pause over desired window, window spring-opens, drop file. PURE GENIUS. Drag and drop is not the same anymore.
AWESOME!
Oooh, you should try it with screen corners. It becomes purely instinctive, and although it would seem so, it never is triggered by accident. I just flick my hand to the lower right of my screen, and I see the desktop. And it works awesome when you're dragging files- much more fluid than clicking a button or pressing a key.
Oooh, you should try it with screen corners. It becomes purely instinctive, and although it would seem so, it never is triggered by accident. I just flick my hand to the lower right of my screen, and I see the desktop. And it works awesome when you're dragging files- much more fluid than clicking a button or pressing a key.
And you don't even have to pause over the window you want to drop it into. Just mouse over the window and press the spacebar. Or you can navigate with the arrow keys.
They're really only similar insofar as a bicycle and a motorcycle are both vehicles that take you places...Expose reimagines window management. It's the best new idea in that field since tabs, and it's much more universally loved than tabs are.
We can keep arguing about it, but they aren't very similar.
I'm a Windows XP user (Don't flame . But I really want a mac), and after seeing numerous videos of Expose in action, I discovered that Windows has had that feature in many releases of their OS's. This is what I'm talking about
Oh yeah, and hey to all you people on the forum. I'm new
that is nothing like Expose. I have used pc's for years, work in IT, tech support still, use macs at home.. once you use expose and its different features, you will realize the error of your ways my child....
And to all those people saying that Expose is so much better than that, let me remind you that I was just saying that the idea of Expose has long lived inside the Windows OS
*look up*
Nope, and btw, even before expose, you could hide apps, or hide others to have it show the desktop. expose is more than just cascading/tiling windows. so, in windows, whats the easiest way to get the windows all back to where they were after you cascade or tile them?
Grape Graphics: The reason you minimise windows is to get them completely out of your workspace. If you had the windows you didn't want shown on your workspace shown in Expose, it would defeat the pupose of minimizing windows.
(I know that my point is a bit unclear, but that's the best I can manage at 8:00 AM)
I hear ya and understand completely. but a lot of people have grown accustomed to minimumization (what a woid?). Expose is a wonderful way of dealing with files on the desktop etc. Apple has always been movin' in the right direction...
The great thing about expose is not that it is fantasticly new, but that it integrates a full cycle of window management.
Using the windows show desktop command is a great way to get at your desktop, but you cant undo it. That makes it next to useless for me. Instead I have an item in my taskbar to let me access the contents of my desktop folder. Same for cascade and tile. They are the first half the management cycle, but they fail to follow through, making them clumsy and next to useless.
Expose is polished as well. It is fast. I just did a show desktop, and it took seconds while all the apps got minimized and the desktop displayed. Expose is instant ( thanks to the way the windowing system works ). I tried it on an eMac with 40+ windows ( safari mostly ) and it was great.
I don't know anybody who actually uses those crappy features in Windows. They've been there as far back as Windows 3.1, and they were barely useful then, outside of tiling all your program group windows so you can see your Solitaire and File Manager icons simultaneously.
Ok, so you think Cascade or Show Desktop are similar features to Expose. How do you use these features to enhance your ability to drag and drop? Or to see where a download or cd burn or movie or anything that continuously moves is in the process?
Is there anything even remotely close to being able to do these things in Windows? No? Sure, Expose isn't a new in the sense that it tries to solve a windows management problem that's been around for ages. It is new in how it does it. Go back to your PSX games. Maybe you'll grow a few more neurons (or kill the last functional ones you've got. Either way, we'll be better off.)
Macs fix things like this. Cascade and tile aren't the same thing. It is all about ease of use and increasing productivity. If I have to keep right clicking my taskbar and selecting "cascade" and "undo cascade" I'm not being very productive. However, if you read torifile's post, exposé makes things flow, very fluid and easy. Completely unlike windows.
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How could you "forget" about Exposé?!?!
I've only had Panther a few weeks.
Show desktop, grab file, scale all windows, pause over desired window, window spring-opens, drop file. PURE GENIUS. Drag and drop is not the same anymore.
AWESOME!
Originally posted by piwozniak
I ..., drop file. PURE GENIUS. Drag and drop is not the same anymore.
AWESOME!
It is drag and drop the mac way.
btw: i never heard about a windows user who did this or that with his os because it gives him pure pleasure.
best
Originally posted by Ichiban_jay
that so doesn't compare!
You don't have to re-maximize the windows again. While reading this thread, I had a pop-up, so I cascaded the windows. See what happens after you do that...
And to all those people saying that Expose is so much better than that, let me remind you that I was just saying that the idea of Expose has long lived inside the Windows OS
Originally posted by Eugene
Cascade and Tile Windows permanently reposition and resize your windows.
Expose isn't so invasive. Expose doesn't permanently reposition or resize your windows.
I seldom use Expose, but I do use it. I'd never use Cascade and Tile Windows.
*look up*
Originally posted by piwozniak
I would pay $129 for expose alone, with multi-button mouse it's awesome.
Show desktop, grab file, scale all windows, pause over desired window, window spring-opens, drop file. PURE GENIUS. Drag and drop is not the same anymore.
AWESOME!
Oooh, you should try it with screen corners. It becomes purely instinctive, and although it would seem so, it never is triggered by accident. I just flick my hand to the lower right of my screen, and I see the desktop. And it works awesome when you're dragging files- much more fluid than clicking a button or pressing a key.
Originally posted by Placebo
Oooh, you should try it with screen corners. It becomes purely instinctive, and although it would seem so, it never is triggered by accident. I just flick my hand to the lower right of my screen, and I see the desktop. And it works awesome when you're dragging files- much more fluid than clicking a button or pressing a key.
And you don't even have to pause over the window you want to drop it into. Just mouse over the window and press the spacebar. Or you can navigate with the arrow keys.
We can keep arguing about it, but they aren't very similar.
i totally forgot about space though, thanks :-)
Also cmd+tab when used with expose, oh la la...
There are many features that existed in windows, Amiga, BeOS, OS/2 etc... but look how it's done on a mac. How about switching users?
How about dragging files on application icon?
Originally posted by psgamer0921
(Ingenious, for lack of a better word...)
I'm a Windows XP user (Don't flame
Oh yeah, and hey to all you people on the forum. I'm new
that is nothing like Expose. I have used pc's for years, work in IT, tech support still, use macs at home.. once you use expose and its different features, you will realize the error of your ways my child....
Originally posted by psgamer0921
And to all those people saying that Expose is so much better than that, let me remind you that I was just saying that the idea of Expose has long lived inside the Windows OS
*look up*
Nope, and btw, even before expose, you could hide apps, or hide others to have it show the desktop. expose is more than just cascading/tiling windows. so, in windows, whats the easiest way to get the windows all back to where they were after you cascade or tile them?
Originally posted by Placebo
Grape Graphics: The reason you minimise windows is to get them completely out of your workspace. If you had the windows you didn't want shown on your workspace shown in Expose, it would defeat the pupose of minimizing windows.
(I know that my point is a bit unclear, but that's the best I can manage at 8:00 AM)
I hear ya and understand completely. but a lot of people have grown accustomed to minimumization (what a woid?). Expose is a wonderful way of dealing with files on the desktop etc. Apple has always been movin' in the right direction...
Jb
Using the windows show desktop command is a great way to get at your desktop, but you cant undo it. That makes it next to useless for me. Instead I have an item in my taskbar to let me access the contents of my desktop folder. Same for cascade and tile. They are the first half the management cycle, but they fail to follow through, making them clumsy and next to useless.
Expose is polished as well. It is fast. I just did a show desktop, and it took seconds while all the apps got minimized and the desktop displayed. Expose is instant ( thanks to the way the windowing system works ). I tried it on an eMac with 40+ windows ( safari mostly ) and it was great.
I don't know anybody who actually uses those crappy features in Windows. They've been there as far back as Windows 3.1, and they were barely useful then, outside of tiling all your program group windows so you can see your Solitaire and File Manager icons simultaneously.
Is there anything even remotely close to being able to do these things in Windows? No? Sure, Expose isn't a new in the sense that it tries to solve a windows management problem that's been around for ages. It is new in how it does it. Go back to your PSX games. Maybe you'll grow a few more neurons (or kill the last functional ones you've got. Either way, we'll be better off.)
Originally posted by lundy
There was the exact same argument going on in the Ars Battlefront. The Windows guys were claiming expose was just window tiling.
That is pure ignorance. If they only knew how amazing exposé was.
Originally posted by psgamer0921
Just click undo cascade (See pic)
Two words for that: needlessly complicated.
Macs fix things like this. Cascade and tile aren't the same thing. It is all about ease of use and increasing productivity. If I have to keep right clicking my taskbar and selecting "cascade" and "undo cascade" I'm not being very productive. However, if you read torifile's post, exposé makes things flow, very fluid and easy. Completely unlike windows.