I think psgamer's point is that the idea of a system level function for organizing all open windows existed on the PC before Expose. I agree with everyone that the windows version sucks big hairy, sweaty balls, but this crap feature did exist many years before Expose.
In all honesty though, I highly doubt anyone at Apple was influenced by cascade or tile. I don't even believe anyone uses it on windows.
I think the main bit that Windows folks are missing is that Expose tiles *SCALED* versions of your windows. It doesn't change the size of your window, it simply *shrinks the whole bloody thing*. Net result: your view is still the same as before for that window, just smaller. You can still see the content, you still get the visual memory jog, it's a *LIVE* drag and drop target, and a keystroke puts it all back the way it was, a mouse click brings precisely the window you want to the fore while putting everything else back the way it was... no 'undo', no resizing needed, nothing.
It is *vastly* different from simple tiling that resizes each window to fit into a static space, or cascade that just layers windows.
This lets you see *all* your windows *as you have them set*. You simply can't do that with either tiling (resizes them) or cascade (hides them).
I was so underwhelmed by Expose I forgot about it until I accidentally hit the 5th mouse button (I had it mapped to that) on my work box.
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
I was so underwhelmed by Expose I forgot about it until I accidentally hit the 5th mouse button (I had it mapped to that) on my work box.
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
Really, the point isn't that someone is incapable of sorting their own windows. It's that you don't have to break their usual placement to be able to work with 10s of windows. We all have habits for placing our windows and having to move them around when there are a lot them is a time killer. And what about applications like Photoshop that aren't as amenable to being tiled? You are underestimating the utility of Expose if you don't appreciate the added value of leaving things where they are to do something else. And you're not using Expose to its full potential if you don't use it in conjunction with drag and drop.
You may not find it to be useful, but to say that it's been around forever in Windows is just comical.
I was so underwhelmed by Expose I forgot about it until I accidentally hit the 5th mouse button (I had it mapped to that) on my work box.
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
Missing the point. Again.
It's not tiling, it's SCALING the windows. Jeez. Why can't anyone seem to grok that?
And, you don't have to use the mouse. Hit F9, use the arrow keys to move between the windows and press return.
I was so underwhelmed by Expose I forgot about it until I accidentally hit the 5th mouse button (I had it mapped to that) on my work box.
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
Nice troll.
Try managing 40-50 windows.
Then come back and tell me how it went.
Now try it with expose.
Without having started any work Ive got 20 windows open. When I start opening documents its only going to get worse. And the number is only that low because Im able to integrate a lot of stuff. Firebird holds a lot of web pages in one window. Eclipse does my bug management, file management and change management in one window. I can hit 40 windows without trying.
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In all honesty though, I highly doubt anyone at Apple was influenced by cascade or tile. I don't even believe anyone uses it on windows.
It is *vastly* different from simple tiling that resizes each window to fit into a static space, or cascade that just layers windows.
This lets you see *all* your windows *as you have them set*. You simply can't do that with either tiling (resizes them) or cascade (hides them).
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
Originally posted by groverat
I was so underwhelmed by Expose I forgot about it until I accidentally hit the 5th mouse button (I had it mapped to that) on my work box.
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
Really, the point isn't that someone is incapable of sorting their own windows. It's that you don't have to break their usual placement to be able to work with 10s of windows. We all have habits for placing our windows and having to move them around when there are a lot them is a time killer. And what about applications like Photoshop that aren't as amenable to being tiled? You are underestimating the utility of Expose if you don't appreciate the added value of leaving things where they are to do something else. And you're not using Expose to its full potential if you don't use it in conjunction with drag and drop.
You may not find it to be useful, but to say that it's been around forever in Windows is just comical.
Originally posted by groverat
I was so underwhelmed by Expose I forgot about it until I accidentally hit the 5th mouse button (I had it mapped to that) on my work box.
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
Missing the point. Again.
It's not tiling, it's SCALING the windows. Jeez. Why can't anyone seem to grok that?
And, you don't have to use the mouse. Hit F9, use the arrow keys to move between the windows and press return.
Originally posted by johnpg
...these aren't the droids you're looking for.
"These aren't the droids we're looking for..."
To the person who started the thread...get a clue
Originally posted by groverat
I was so underwhelmed by Expose I forgot about it until I accidentally hit the 5th mouse button (I had it mapped to that) on my work box.
I just don't understand why someone can't manage their own windows as they use their computer. Just tile your own damned windows, it isn't hard. I could stagger 3 or 4 windows in the time it takes to just reach up and hit F9 with your mouse hand, not to mention going back to your freaking mouse to make the selection.
It's eye-candy. I love "show desktop", that's actually useful. It has been since Windows 95.
Nice troll.
Try managing 40-50 windows.
Then come back and tell me how it went.
Now try it with expose.
Without having started any work Ive got 20 windows open. When I start opening documents its only going to get worse. And the number is only that low because Im able to integrate a lot of stuff. Firebird holds a lot of web pages in one window. Eclipse does my bug management, file management and change management in one window. I can hit 40 windows without trying.