I would have killed to have this version of Office when I was a college. I used to do the notebook stuff by taking notes in Word and recording my lectures using Amedeus 2. It was a pain in the ass to record in AIFF then compress down to MP3. This is going to be a huge selling point for Macs in higher education.
I can't wait until OpenOffice/Quartz comes out in 2006. For the moment, I'll stick with Mariner Write and Calc.
Barto
OpenOffice for Mac is vaporware. By 2006, North Korea may have nuked the world already.
The future is kOffice. That guy that got it ported to OS X should get a medal. Read that again. One guy. Lean codebase, as opposed to OpenOffice.
This is the exact same situation Apple was in when they chose khtml to build Safari. I hope that somebody, whether Apple, Nisus, Mariner or Omni picks this up fast and build a nice Mac user interfaceon top of the code.
I'm with ZO, give me Entourage with hooks into Address Book and I'll be happy. I've set my Mom up with Mail on Panther and it just isn't "there" yet. Actually, the best solution is somewhere between the two.
I was sad to see those dorky buttons in the top lefthand side of Entourage, I don't like the interface.
if you buy the student and teacher edition of X for $149 you can upgrade to pro (with VPC 7 and XP pro I assume) for another $129 (+ $10 shipping when 2004 ships)
I would have killed to have this version of Office when I was a college. I used to do the notebook stuff by taking notes in Word and recording my lectures using Amedeus 2. It was a pain in the ass to record in AIFF then compress down to MP3. This is going to be a huge selling point for Macs in higher education.
Wouldn't using an iPod with a voice recorder be a more elegant solution? If you already have an iPod, buying a voice add-on is cheaper than buying Office 2004, even at the edu price.
And even with Office 2004 you're going to have to buy an external mic.
Personally I still like to take notes by hand. Typing on a keyboard uses both hemispheres of the brain. I can take notes manually and concentrate better on the discussion using only one hand.
If Apple had made an 8.5x11 Newton I'd have bought it in a heartbeat for that reason.
The future is kOffice. That guy that got it ported to OS X should get a medal. Read that again. One guy.
Porting a fairly standard Qt application to Mac, Linux or Windows (and whatever other platforms Qt is available on) isn't a noteworthy achievement. Making it polished on a different platform is. It does take some time, but it's not like you are actually porting the whole codebase to a different platform, just the 0.01% of code that isn't standard.
KOffice is NOT the future. Maybe on Linux, but I doubt anyone there thinks it is when OpenOffice is a million times faster, more compatible and has more features.
Right now, all the frameworks needed to make a good office suite are basically there in Mac OS X. It's mainly the user interface that needs building, and that is totally platform specific (or should be, anyway). Which is why OpenOffice is NOT porting 1.0 to Aqua, but waiting until 2.0 when the user interface code is rewritten, so they can create a truely native interface.
Wouldn't using an iPod with a voice recorder be a more elegant solution? If you already have an iPod, buying a voice add-on is cheaper than buying Office 2004, even at the edu price.
And even with Office 2004 you're going to have to buy an external mic.
Personally I still like to take notes by hand. Typing on a keyboard uses both hemispheres of the brain. I can take notes manually and concentrate better on the discussion using only one hand.
If Apple had made an 8.5x11 Newton I'd have bought it in a heartbeat for that reason.
I don't think the iPod is a more elegant solution for a number of reasons. First, I would need to add the files to the word document anyway so I can keep them synced. Secondly, iPod audio recorders didn't exist when I was in college. Thirdly, All of Apple's laptops have built in mics that are very good at picking up sounds from a lecture, so the need to carry an external mic is a non-issue. Fourthly, I can type faster and more accurately than I can write. I think this really is going to be a boon to college students.
Thirdly, All of Apple's laptops have built in mics that are very good at picking up sounds from a lecture, so the need to carry an external mic is a non-issue.
Well my bad. I'm sitting here looking at my iBook 600 for a mic - I can't find it but something is definitely showing up in Sound Input.
But the noise I making while typing sends the input level to over half on the Sound Input meter.
I'm gonna have to try this out in a meeting and see if the noise of typing distracts or obscures the discussion.
But, hey, cool !!
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Fourthly, I can type faster and more accurately than I can write. I think this really is going to be a boon to college students.
I don't know - a class of 20 or 30 students, all taking notes on their laptops -- it might sound like my high school typing class.
Well my bad. I'm sitting here looking at my iBook 600 for a mic - I can't find it but something is definitely showing up in Sound Input.
incredibly enough, look at your screen... on the right (or left) hand side, in the middle or slightly up, on the bezel of course, you'll see a pinhole sized hole... THAT is your mic (believe it or not)
I would not care if there was not one new feature provided that they fixed what was already there to make it work properly. Heck, I am desperate enough even to pay for such a fix.
I remember writing my first papers(hah!)--book reports and all, on a computer in Claris Works for the IIGS (way back in 1992-3, 3rd grade... It was on manatees). What a great piece of software... I miss it.
I think there may be a stolen feature in Office 2004.
There is a small 2 person company called Circus Ponies that makes a product called Notebook, View their product here
The similarity between Notebook from Circus Ponies and Word Notebook from Microsoft are too close to be a coincidence. You can view a demo of Word Notebook in the Keynote movie at apple: The relevant part is 16:45 into the Movie.
I think there may be a stolen feature in Office 2004.
There is a small 2 person company called Circus Ponies that makes a product called Notebook, View their product here
The similarity between Notebook from Circus Ponies and Word Notebook from Microsoft are too close to be a coincidence. You can view a demo of Word Notebook in the Keynote movie at apple: The relevant part is 16:45 into the Movie.
Word Note is just a crap cut down port of MS OneNote 2003, wich may have been taken form Circus Ponies Notebook
If that suite would come from any other dev team we all would run over each other to post how great it is and all that, but since it comes from ms, everyone tries to find something to bash it for.
Actually MBU has some great developers, and office is really good piece of software. Sure Microsoft is shit, but don't you think that those guys are macheads too?, just so happens that they work for MS.
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Originally posted by Barto
I can't wait until OpenOffice/Quartz comes out in 2006. For the moment, I'll stick with Mariner Write and Calc.
Barto
OpenOffice for Mac is vaporware. By 2006, North Korea may have nuked the world already.
The future is kOffice. That guy that got it ported to OS X should get a medal. Read that again. One guy. Lean codebase, as opposed to OpenOffice.
This is the exact same situation Apple was in when they chose khtml to build Safari. I hope that somebody, whether Apple, Nisus, Mariner or Omni picks this up fast and build a nice Mac user interfaceon top of the code.
I was sad to see those dorky buttons in the top lefthand side of Entourage, I don't like the interface.
Originally posted by HOM
I would have killed to have this version of Office when I was a college. I used to do the notebook stuff by taking notes in Word and recording my lectures using Amedeus 2. It was a pain in the ass to record in AIFF then compress down to MP3. This is going to be a huge selling point for Macs in higher education.
Wouldn't using an iPod with a voice recorder be a more elegant solution? If you already have an iPod, buying a voice add-on is cheaper than buying Office 2004, even at the edu price.
And even with Office 2004 you're going to have to buy an external mic.
Personally I still like to take notes by hand. Typing on a keyboard uses both hemispheres of the brain. I can take notes manually and concentrate better on the discussion using only one hand.
If Apple had made an 8.5x11 Newton I'd have bought it in a heartbeat for that reason.
Originally posted by curiousuburb
oh look... built in excel print preview imitating PDF (admittedly editable)
Actually this is a great feature. IE has it, and it is the one reason I keep IE around. Apple should copy Microsoft and put it into Safari.
Originally posted by Frank777
The future is kOffice. That guy that got it ported to OS X should get a medal. Read that again. One guy.
Porting a fairly standard Qt application to Mac, Linux or Windows (and whatever other platforms Qt is available on) isn't a noteworthy achievement. Making it polished on a different platform is. It does take some time, but it's not like you are actually porting the whole codebase to a different platform, just the 0.01% of code that isn't standard.
KOffice is NOT the future. Maybe on Linux, but I doubt anyone there thinks it is when OpenOffice is a million times faster, more compatible and has more features.
Right now, all the frameworks needed to make a good office suite are basically there in Mac OS X. It's mainly the user interface that needs building, and that is totally platform specific (or should be, anyway). Which is why OpenOffice is NOT porting 1.0 to Aqua, but waiting until 2.0 when the user interface code is rewritten, so they can create a truely native interface.
Barto
Originally posted by mpls244
Wouldn't using an iPod with a voice recorder be a more elegant solution? If you already have an iPod, buying a voice add-on is cheaper than buying Office 2004, even at the edu price.
And even with Office 2004 you're going to have to buy an external mic.
Personally I still like to take notes by hand. Typing on a keyboard uses both hemispheres of the brain. I can take notes manually and concentrate better on the discussion using only one hand.
If Apple had made an 8.5x11 Newton I'd have bought it in a heartbeat for that reason.
I don't think the iPod is a more elegant solution for a number of reasons. First, I would need to add the files to the word document anyway so I can keep them synced. Secondly, iPod audio recorders didn't exist when I was in college.
Originally posted by HOM
Thirdly, All of Apple's laptops have built in mics that are very good at picking up sounds from a lecture, so the need to carry an external mic is a non-issue.
Well my bad. I'm sitting here looking at my iBook 600 for a mic - I can't find it but something is definitely showing up in Sound Input.
But the noise I making while typing sends the input level to over half on the Sound Input meter.
I'm gonna have to try this out in a meeting and see if the noise of typing distracts or obscures the discussion.
But, hey, cool !!
Fourthly, I can type faster and more accurately than I can write. I think this really is going to be a boon to college students.
I don't know - a class of 20 or 30 students, all taking notes on their laptops -- it might sound like my high school typing class.
It's a few of the new PC Office version features with NONE of the real Mac requirements (HELLO! FULL EXCHANGE SERVER SUPPORT IN ENTØURAGE!).
If they were fixing the Entourage weaknesses, it certainly would've been mentioned.
Originally posted by mpls244
Well my bad. I'm sitting here looking at my iBook 600 for a mic - I can't find it but something is definitely showing up in Sound Input.
incredibly enough, look at your screen... on the right (or left) hand side, in the middle or slightly up, on the bezel of course, you'll see a pinhole sized hole... THAT is your mic (believe it or not)
This feature has been in ClarisWorks/AppleWorks for 13 years. It's great to see that in Office 2004 has finally caught up with ClarisWorks 1991...
More info at http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/clarisworks.php .
Bob Hearn
Originally posted by hearn
Here's one amusing tidbit about MS Office 2004: One of the touted new "key features" is a fully-editable, live Page Layout view.
This feature has been in ClarisWorks/AppleWorks for 13 years. It's great to see that in Office 2004 has finally caught up with ClarisWorks 1991...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
More info at http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/clarisworks.php .
Bob Hearn
wow, good read.
I remember writing my first papers(hah!)--book reports and all, on a computer in Claris Works for the IIGS (way back in 1992-3, 3rd grade... It was on manatees). What a great piece of software... I miss it.
There is a small 2 person company called Circus Ponies that makes a product called Notebook, View their product here
The similarity between Notebook from Circus Ponies and Word Notebook from Microsoft are too close to be a coincidence. You can view a demo of Word Notebook in the Keynote movie at apple: The relevant part is 16:45 into the Movie.
Originally posted by Plague Bearer
I think there may be a stolen feature in Office 2004.
There is a small 2 person company called Circus Ponies that makes a product called Notebook, View their product here
The similarity between Notebook from Circus Ponies and Word Notebook from Microsoft are too close to be a coincidence. You can view a demo of Word Notebook in the Keynote movie at apple: The relevant part is 16:45 into the Movie.
Word Note is just a crap cut down port of MS OneNote 2003, wich may have been taken form Circus Ponies Notebook
Actually MBU has some great developers, and office is really good piece of software. Sure Microsoft is shit, but don't you think that those guys are macheads too?, just so happens that they work for MS.
Give them a break
* PST support
* Out of Office assistant
* Multiple Exchange accounts
* Server Side rules
* GAL browsing
* email group browsing
* real public folder support