Every planetologist with a brief familiarity with Mars basically assumes that water once flowed freely on the planet.
That would be erosion.
There is no *recent* water-caused erosion. The sky of Mars is red. The Face is a hill (with a naturally occuring translucent internal structure). The many other photographic anomolies are just tricks of light. The presence of identically shaped objects at the current Rover landing site far from each other are just coincidence.
The Rover will be out of contact for a few weeks and will resume broadcasting pictures of rocks once it has moved itself out of visual range of the Field of Anomolies.
The reaction of suprise on the part of the program engineers to the current Rover behavior is only to be expected since their fault analyses would have predicted this problem presentation had it been an event that was a consequence of the design.
However, I posited a similar question in the other Mars thread (about water) in terms of stumbling upon the remnants of a past civilization. Hassan mentioned the likeness of a dam / abnormal soil erosion related to a dam as being in the photo therein.
Moogs:
I actually meant "damn, look at the amazing detail in that photograph" rather than "look, a dam".
I saw something on the telly explaining that some of the obvious signs of erosion in Martian valleys could have been caused by liquid C02 (I think that was the gas) but in the light of today, water ice declared found, it's definitely not mad anymore to suggest running water might be a culprit.
I actually meant "damn, look at the amazing detail in that photograph" rather than "look, a dam".
I saw something on the telly explaining that some of the obvious signs of erosion in Martian valleys could have been caused by liquid C02 (I think that was the gas) but in the light of today, water ice declared found, it's definitely not mad anymore to suggest running water might be a culprit.
For water to run (we are talking about the liquid form of water, of course) implies a specific Temperature and Pressure range.
Isn't the surface of Mars very nearly a vacuum? It used to be
Help me out here. My Sarcasm Detector is getting readings all over the place here. I mean, it would take someone insane to actually believe anything from that site but then again this is Aries B here so I'm totally confused.
Here's a PDF explaining the theory of 'gas and mud pyroclasm'. I remember watching computer simulations of reserves of frozen gas being heated by volcanic activity, erupting, leaving signs of liquid erosion and then evaporating, but it looks like this is what I was thinking of.
Help me out here. My Sarcasm Detector is getting readings all over the place here. I mean, it would take someone insane to actually believe anything from that site but then again this is Aries B here so I'm totally confused.
I've been following Enterprisemission since 'bout 1996.
They have posted hundreds of images that, if they haven't been altered, pose some very interesting questions. There's also some really cool non-space conspiracy stuff on the site too. Masons, ancient cults that *might* exist to this day. Honestly, it has everything. And then, throw in the possiblity that (hold on to your hats) *it all might, just might be real*.
It's entertaining, thought provoking, no less believable (and actually far more attractive) than the idea that Howard Dean could be the next President of the United States of America. And the people who put the site out actually have more proof (assuming nothing has been photoaltered) in their beliefs than a person has who believes in the existance of God.
Take some time and look through the site with an open mind. If nothing else, you'll enjoy the ride. Think of the movie "Capricorn One" on steroids.
Bottom line:
*I don't know if the site is pulling my leg or not. Arthur C. Clarke has visited the site and reacted favorably, questioning why N.A.S.A. hasn't investigated some martian vegitation (!) in a photograph on the site. Then again, he may be senile.
*I'm enjoying the ride.
*Heavier than air flight was once the province of madmen too.
* If the government were going to announce that Mars had once been the home of an advanced civilization, I think that maybe they'd do it piecemeal. Enterprisemission could be a subsidiary of the US government.
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
a) Damn.
b) Erosion.
Space experts will assure you that you have a picture of blue sand.
The 'erosion' is just a trick of the light.
Thank you for your support of space exploration.
Aries 1B
Every planetologist with a brief familiarity with Mars basically assumes that water once flowed freely on the planet.
That would be erosion.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Sez who?
Every planetologist with a brief familiarity with Mars basically assumes that water once flowed freely on the planet.
That would be erosion.
There is no *recent* water-caused erosion. The sky of Mars is red. The Face is a hill (with a naturally occuring translucent internal structure). The many other photographic anomolies are just tricks of light. The presence of identically shaped objects at the current Rover landing site far from each other are just coincidence.
The Rover will be out of contact for a few weeks and will resume broadcasting pictures of rocks once it has moved itself out of visual range of the Field of Anomolies.
The reaction of suprise on the part of the program engineers to the current Rover behavior is only to be expected since their fault analyses would have predicted this problem presentation had it been an event that was a consequence of the design.
Thank you for your support of the Space Program.
Aries 1B
Originally posted by Moogs
However, I posited a similar question in the other Mars thread (about water) in terms of stumbling upon the remnants of a past civilization. Hassan mentioned the likeness of a dam / abnormal soil erosion related to a dam as being in the photo therein.
Moogs:
I actually meant "damn, look at the amazing detail in that photograph" rather than "look, a dam".
I saw something on the telly explaining that some of the obvious signs of erosion in Martian valleys could have been caused by liquid C02 (I think that was the gas) but in the light of today, water ice declared found, it's definitely not mad anymore to suggest running water might be a culprit.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/ima...it/coverup.jpg
Thank you for your support of the space program.
Aries 1B
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Moogs:
I actually meant "damn, look at the amazing detail in that photograph" rather than "look, a dam".
I saw something on the telly explaining that some of the obvious signs of erosion in Martian valleys could have been caused by liquid C02 (I think that was the gas) but in the light of today, water ice declared found, it's definitely not mad anymore to suggest running water might be a culprit.
For water to run (we are talking about the liquid form of water, of course) implies a specific Temperature and Pressure range.
Isn't the surface of Mars very nearly a vacuum? It used to be
Aries 1B
http://nova.stanford.edu/projects/mgs/late.html
Date of Measurement
12-31-2002
Time of Measurement
05:41 GMT
Local Time on Mars
04:15
Latitude
72.9 degrees N
Longitude
34.0 degrees E
Elevation
-4630 meters
Surface Temperature
-87.1 Fahrenheit
-66.2 Celsius
Surface Pressure
7.90 millibars
Martian Season
Early Summer
Soooooo how do you get liquid water in sufficient quantity to cause erosion?
And check this out:
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-...ience-03h.html
Mudslides at 7.90 miilbars? (1013millibars = 1 earth atmosphere).
Does anyone else see a problem?
Aries 1B
Mars' gravity is light enough that many gasses would be lost over millions or billions of years.
S'okay, common mistake of laypeople.
Originally posted by Aries 1B
What may be the last image from the Rover "Spirit":
http://www.enterprisemission.com/ima...it/coverup.jpg
Thank you for your support of the space program.
Aries 1B
Help me out here. My Sarcasm Detector is getting readings all over the place here. I mean, it would take someone insane to actually believe anything from that site but then again this is Aries B here so I'm totally confused.
Originally posted by Aries 1B
What may be the last image from the Rover "Spirit":
http://www.enterprisemission.com/ima...it/coverup.jpg
Thank you for your support of the space program.
Aries 1B
Isn't there another rover? Shouldn't it be getting there soon?
Edit: I'm sick of these martians f'n up our missions. My guess this is why Bush announced a Mars mission..... the next Iraq?
Here's a PDF explaining the theory of 'gas and mud pyroclasm'. I remember watching computer simulations of reserves of frozen gas being heated by volcanic activity, erupting, leaving signs of liquid erosion and then evaporating, but it looks like this is what I was thinking of.
Click on me
Isn´t that a 8088 chip in the upper left corner?
Originally posted by BR
Help me out here. My Sarcasm Detector is getting readings all over the place here. I mean, it would take someone insane to actually believe anything from that site but then again this is Aries B here so I'm totally confused.
I've been following Enterprisemission since 'bout 1996.
They have posted hundreds of images that, if they haven't been altered, pose some very interesting questions. There's also some really cool non-space conspiracy stuff on the site too. Masons, ancient cults that *might* exist to this day. Honestly, it has everything. And then, throw in the possiblity that (hold on to your hats) *it all might, just might be real*.
It's entertaining, thought provoking, no less believable (and actually far more attractive) than the idea that Howard Dean could be the next President of the United States of America. And the people who put the site out actually have more proof (assuming nothing has been photoaltered) in their beliefs than a person has who believes in the existance of God.
Take some time and look through the site with an open mind. If nothing else, you'll enjoy the ride. Think of the movie "Capricorn One" on steroids.
Bottom line:
*I don't know if the site is pulling my leg or not. Arthur C. Clarke has visited the site and reacted favorably, questioning why N.A.S.A. hasn't investigated some martian vegitation (!) in a photograph on the site. Then again, he may be senile.
*I'm enjoying the ride.
*Heavier than air flight was once the province of madmen too.
* If the government were going to announce that Mars had once been the home of an advanced civilization, I think that maybe they'd do it piecemeal. Enterprisemission could be a subsidiary of the US government.
Aries 1B
*BWOOP BWOOP* BS ALERT! BS ALERT! *BWOOP BWOOP*
Conspiracy theorists are funny.
I have the answer:
\t\t\t Prep for dust-off. We're gonna
\t\t\t need an immediate evac.
\t\t\t\t\t
\t\t\t I think we'll take off and nuke
\t\t\t the site from orbit. It's the
\t\t\t only way to be sure.