Huh. Well, it's nice to have a thread wrap up so nicely...or has it?
GAH!!!! YES!! IT'S WRAPPED UP!!!
I WIN!!! BOW DOWN BEFORE ME!!!
Just don't bow so close, and quit looking at me like that. I'm all for don't ask, don't tell, but hey, listen, I know my victory over the various evil-doers who hate freedom (of the press) here has left me all a-glow, but please, regardless of how much of a turn-on you find that, avert your eyes.
Just don't bow so close, and quit looking at me like that. I'm all for don't ask, don't tell, but hey, listen, I know my victory over the various evil-doers who hate freedom (of the press) here has left me all a-glow, but please, regardless of how much of a turn-on you find that, avert your eyes.
Show a little respect.
(Backing away rapidly)
You bet Mr. Midwinter Sir, I'll.... just.... be..... (bolts for door)
THE TORN DOCUMENT....So what's the deal with the George Bush AWOL story? There are a million tedious details, but as near as I can tell here's the nub of the whole thing.
Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968 and in May 1972 asked for a transfer to Alabama because he wanted to work on a political campaign there. His transfer was approved and off to Alabama he went. The problem is that he doesn't seem to have actually performed any of his required guard duty either in Alabama or after he returned to Texas. He just blew it off. There are several bits of evidence for this:
? His chronological service record shows no duty between May 1972 and October 1973.
? Bush was supposedly in Alabama between May 1972 and November 1972, but the commanding officer of the Alabama unit says he doesn't remember Bush ever showing up. "Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not," he said. "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."
? In August 1972 Bush was suspended from flying because he never showed up for his required annual physical.
? Bush supposedly returned to Texas in November 1972, but the annual effectiveness report from his Texas unit that covers his entire period of service from May 1972 through May 1973 says "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of the report."
? Case closed, right? Bush was AWOL. And for normal people at least, this would have been a serious problem, prompting an official investigation and a transfer to active duty, or possibly even a dishonorable discharge.
? But wait. Although there are no records showing that he attended drills in Alabama, there is one piece of evidence demonstrating that Bush showed up for drills after he returned to Texas: the infamous "torn document." Here it is:
Quote:
This document supposedly records Bush's attendance record in Texas from May 1972 to May 1973. However, the astute observer will note several things about this document:
It is strategically torn along its left edge.
There is no name on the document, only a single letter: W. Does it say "1LT BUSH GEORGE" just before the initial? Maybe, but the page has been torn so there's no way to tell.
The Social Security number is blacked out.
The tear eliminates the year and month of all the dates. (The date at the bottom right is just a note added by a reporter.)
In other words, there's really no evidence that this document refers to George W. Bush or even that it refers to the period 1972-73. But it's even worse than that: it turns out that this document wasn't even part of Bush's original service file.
Great analysis of Bush's guard credibility problem.
Why could Bush just check out during wartime and go to business school? And the Guardsmen in Iraq who should be done already but because of the Bush Stop Loss order can't?
I'm sure if me or Scott were in the National Guard and didn't show up when we were asked to during an 8 month timespan... we would be at the least considered AWOL... and if during wartime... a deserter...
This is where you are entirely incorrect. If you are asked to do something, you have a choice to do it or not do it. Even in the military. So if you are asked and refuse to do something you've done nothing wrong, and are certainly not AWOL.
However, if someone is trying to get a hold of you to ask you if you'd do something and nobody can find you, and you don't have permission to be gone, you are indeed AWOL.
Comments
The others arguing that side are at least sincere.
Fish
What's the real story?!
Was he trying to pop 10 pills at a time like Limbaugh?
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Pretzlegate!?
What's the real story?!
Was he trying to pop 10 pills at a time like Limbaugh?
The truth is out there.
Originally posted by midwinter
The truth is out there.
Ah, so he blacks out when his alien masters are downloading new instructions....
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Bush is a Draconian/Reptilian!
Bah.
He's totally a grey.
Originally posted by midwinter
Bah.
He's totally a grey.
I win.
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by midwinter
And there you have it.
I win.
Cheers
Scott
Huh. Well, it's nice to have a thread wrap up so nicely...or has it?
Originally posted by addabox
Huh. Well, it's nice to have a thread wrap up so nicely...or has it?
GAH!!!! YES!! IT'S WRAPPED UP!!!
I WIN!!! BOW DOWN BEFORE ME!!!
Just don't bow so close, and quit looking at me like that. I'm all for don't ask, don't tell, but hey, listen, I know my victory over the various evil-doers who hate freedom (of the press) here has left me all a-glow, but please, regardless of how much of a turn-on you find that, avert your eyes.
Show a little respect.
Originally posted by midwinter
GAH!!!! YES!! IT'S WRAPPED UP!!!
I WIN!!! BOW DOWN BEFORE ME!!!
Just don't bow so close, and quit looking at me like that. I'm all for don't ask, don't tell, but hey, listen, I know my victory over the various evil-doers who hate freedom (of the press) here has left me all a-glow, but please, regardless of how much of a turn-on you find that, avert your eyes.
Show a little respect.
(Backing away rapidly)
You bet Mr. Midwinter Sir, I'll.... just.... be..... (bolts for door)
I think it must be a hoax.
Or the reptilians.
Originally posted by pfflam
The Bush-AWOL yarn is as fictional as this photo.
Originally posted by Scott
The Bush-AWOL yarn is as fictional as this photo.
well, the burden of proof as to its fiction status (the Bush AWOL not the photo) seems to be up to you
Oh that's right.. it's never been released.
THE TORN DOCUMENT....So what's the deal with the George Bush AWOL story? There are a million tedious details, but as near as I can tell here's the nub of the whole thing.
Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968 and in May 1972 asked for a transfer to Alabama because he wanted to work on a political campaign there. His transfer was approved and off to Alabama he went. The problem is that he doesn't seem to have actually performed any of his required guard duty either in Alabama or after he returned to Texas. He just blew it off. There are several bits of evidence for this:
? His chronological service record shows no duty between May 1972 and October 1973.
? Bush was supposedly in Alabama between May 1972 and November 1972, but the commanding officer of the Alabama unit says he doesn't remember Bush ever showing up. "Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not," he said. "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."
? In August 1972 Bush was suspended from flying because he never showed up for his required annual physical.
? Bush supposedly returned to Texas in November 1972, but the annual effectiveness report from his Texas unit that covers his entire period of service from May 1972 through May 1973 says "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of the report."
? Case closed, right? Bush was AWOL. And for normal people at least, this would have been a serious problem, prompting an official investigation and a transfer to active duty, or possibly even a dishonorable discharge.
? But wait. Although there are no records showing that he attended drills in Alabama, there is one piece of evidence demonstrating that Bush showed up for drills after he returned to Texas: the infamous "torn document." Here it is:
This document supposedly records Bush's attendance record in Texas from May 1972 to May 1973. However, the astute observer will note several things about this document:
It is strategically torn along its left edge.
There is no name on the document, only a single letter: W. Does it say "1LT BUSH GEORGE" just before the initial? Maybe, but the page has been torn so there's no way to tell.
The Social Security number is blacked out.
The tear eliminates the year and month of all the dates. (The date at the bottom right is just a note added by a reporter.)
In other words, there's really no evidence that this document refers to George W. Bush or even that it refers to the period 1972-73. But it's even worse than that: it turns out that this document wasn't even part of Bush's original service file.
Great analysis of Bush's guard credibility problem.
Why could Bush just check out during wartime and go to business school? And the Guardsmen in Iraq who should be done already but because of the Bush Stop Loss order can't?
Depends on who daddy is.
the most concise summary of the AWOL issue so far.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
I'm sure if me or Scott were in the National Guard and didn't show up when we were asked to during an 8 month timespan... we would be at the least considered AWOL... and if during wartime... a deserter...
This is where you are entirely incorrect. If you are asked to do something, you have a choice to do it or not do it. Even in the military. So if you are asked and refuse to do something you've done nothing wrong, and are certainly not AWOL.
However, if someone is trying to get a hold of you to ask you if you'd do something and nobody can find you, and you don't have permission to be gone, you are indeed AWOL.
here's another developement.
Was Bush knocked down to ARF status? And what did he do to actually fulfill his requirements after 1972?