what doesn't make sense to me is that the 1.4 G5 draws less power, ie less heat created, than a G4 at the same speed.
If new G5's aren't released with the next rev of the PB, why not?
The 17" and 15" enclosure are big enough for the G4 and not the G5?
That doesn't make sense. Something else is going on in a big way if the next rev PB is a G4. I now find this issue so confusing as to believe that we are being toyed with by Apple.
It will be a pathetic day in Apple history if Apple released another G4 Powerbook. The G4 simply cannot compete with Centrinos for thin and light, aka portable, laptops, and Pentium 4s in the desktop replacement categories [17" PB]. The G4 is an all around loser---it doesnt even have DDR FSB support in the year 2004!
The 17" and 15" enclosure are big enough for the G4 and not the G5?
That doesn't make sense.
Yes, it does, since there is not only the processor. You seem to forget about the monster system bus of the G5, which can be up to 6 times faster than the G4 bus.
It will be a pathetic day in Apple history if Apple released another G4 Powerbook. The G4 simply cannot compete with Centrinos for thin and light, aka portable, laptops, and Pentium 4s in the desktop replacement categories [17" PB]. The G4 is an all around loser---it doesnt even have DDR FSB support in the year 2004!
Well, let's be patient until this summer or a little after that, to see if Motorola or Freescale now, can deliver what they promised.
It will be a pathetic day in Apple history if Apple released another G4 Powerbook. The G4 simply cannot compete with Centrinos for thin and light, aka portable, laptops, and Pentium 4s in the desktop replacement categories [17" PB]. The G4 is an all around loser---it doesnt even have DDR FSB support in the year 2004!
Except for marketing, the Centrinos are not "all that and a bag of chips either"....
Beats the hell out of me why Centrinos are so supposed to be so great.
Anyay, the PowerPage is always wrong nowadays. Ol' O'Grady just doesn't have the sources he used to, and hasn't gotten anything right it seems since 1997.
what doesn't make sense to me is that the 1.4 G5 draws less power, ie less heat created, than a G4 at the same speed.
There's a heat pipe on the CPU daughtercard in the PM G5. It's not for the 970. It's for the controller chip.
Even if the 970fx is itself small and cool, it implies a high-bandwidth architecture that is not. Getting a 970fx into a PowerBook is probably not that hard; I'd guess that it's getting the rest of the system in that's causing a lot of late nights in Cupertino.
In the meantime, whatever its faults, the G4 is a known quantity in a laptop. Whatever its faults, the PowerBook sold a record-breaking 197,000 units last quarter, so going by the last word in market acceptance it doesn't appear to be a liability, MaxBus notwithstanding. And just because we don't know where Freescale is going with the PowerPC doesn't mean that they aren't going anywhere. We didn't know about the 970 until the 11th hour, either.
Well, murbot, O'Grady's PowerPage posted pre-release pictures of the Wallstreet PowerBook weeks before Apple announced it in May 1998. These days, there are less rumors and O'Grady's record is no longer immaculate.
However, MacGeneration is reporting that some French Mac resellers have dropped 12-inch PB prices by 300 euro. This wouldn't be unheard of, and MacGeneration reporting on it isn't surprising. What made me think twice is that MacMinute re-reported this. MacMinute has always been spot-on with the few rumors they have posted, usually the day before a major announcement. So, IMO, MacMinute's quote of the MacGeneration story suggests that they know about an imminent PowerBook update. MacMinute is hinting at it for the benefit of their regular readers, without an explicit statement that would draw Apple's ire.
Hope springs eternal. I'm optimistic...
Escher
Is that iBook getting a bit long in the tooth murbot ?
Let me second the initial questioning of PowerPage. I seem to remeber a lot of false leads by O'Grady recently. Here's one I was able to find.
Of course, I'd love to have my doubts proven wrong.
If this is true, we will see the new powerbooks tommorow. We all know apple is famous for releasing new stuff on tuesday. If we don't see it tommorow all hope is lost for O'Grady. Also if the new speeds are around 1.5 Ghz we will see the G5 operate around 2.0 Ghz.
Let me second the initial questioning of PowerPage. I seem to remeber a lot of false leads by O'Grady recently. Here's one I was able to find.
There's a difference between that instance and this instance. "Waiting in the wings" is a lot different than "New PowerBooks this Week." The Powerpage story seems to be definitive to state that it will happen this week.
There's a difference between that instance and this instance. "Waiting in the wings" is a lot different than "New PowerBooks this Week." The Powerpage story seems to be definitive to state that it will happen this week.
Again, I hope to be proven wrong. But I had a nagging suspision that they've made "this week" predictions before and been wrong. Looks like they have. Mind you, those were the good old days of 2003 when a week couldn't go by without someone predicting new PowerBooks that week. We shall see...
As a total aside, I'd just like to say how impressed I am with the Apple section I saw in a CompUSA today. You can actually play with everything, they have all sizes of everything, and the software and accessories are right there in front of you to pick up and touch, not locked away behind glass as it tends to be back home. Heck, they even had Logic displayed, not the type of software you see in an Apple section in a chain store, or, heck, even an Apple store, in Canada. If this is any indication of what an official Apple Store is like, I say bring them on up to Canada. It'll give local dealers a good kick in the pants. Again, I don't want to hijack the thread, just wanting to give Apple a thumbs-up. Now back to pontificating about PowerBooks...
It's as good as gone, baby. I feel like moving up a class. A new PowerBook would be cool.
I know what you mean. Since I now have a tower at home, I much prefer the 12'' form factor of the iBook I'm typing on right now over my old 15'' PB. But I'm still hit with a touch of envy every time I see someone boot up a PB next to me Mind you, for the price the iBook is still quite a nice machine. Especially when you boost it to 640 MB of RAM. Yay Crucial.
It would seem to me that it is very risky for a news and rumors site to be positive about anything, it might make more sense to say, "maybe," rather than definitely.
O'Grady is risking a lot of future hits and viewership by putting up false information, if it indeed is false, yet in the meantime the site is being gorged by hits.
It's as good as gone, baby. I feel like moving up a class. A new PowerBook would be cool.
You just HAD a PowerBook, you hardware-sellin', eBay-posting whore!
Man, you've got the whole "gettin' a new Mac!" thing down to an art. AND a science!
Hell, half the reason I don't get new Macs any more often than I do is because I hate the whole registration/initial preference/software installation/configuring/third-party installation routine. It DRAINS me.
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If new G5's aren't released with the next rev of the PB, why not?
The 17" and 15" enclosure are big enough for the G4 and not the G5?
That doesn't make sense. Something else is going on in a big way if the next rev PB is a G4. I now find this issue so confusing as to believe that we are being toyed with by Apple.
Originally posted by oldmacfan
The 17" and 15" enclosure are big enough for the G4 and not the G5?
That doesn't make sense.
Yes, it does, since there is not only the processor. You seem to forget about the monster system bus of the G5, which can be up to 6 times faster than the G4 bus.
Originally posted by Existence
It will be a pathetic day in Apple history if Apple released another G4 Powerbook. The G4 simply cannot compete with Centrinos for thin and light, aka portable, laptops, and Pentium 4s in the desktop replacement categories [17" PB]. The G4 is an all around loser---it doesnt even have DDR FSB support in the year 2004!
Well, let's be patient until this summer or a little after that, to see if Motorola or Freescale now, can deliver what they promised.
Originally posted by Existence
It will be a pathetic day in Apple history if Apple released another G4 Powerbook. The G4 simply cannot compete with Centrinos for thin and light, aka portable, laptops, and Pentium 4s in the desktop replacement categories [17" PB]. The G4 is an all around loser---it doesnt even have DDR FSB support in the year 2004!
Except for marketing, the Centrinos are not "all that and a bag of chips either"....
Anyay, the PowerPage is always wrong nowadays. Ol' O'Grady just doesn't have the sources he used to, and hasn't gotten anything right it seems since 1997.
Originally posted by oldmacfan
what doesn't make sense to me is that the 1.4 G5 draws less power, ie less heat created, than a G4 at the same speed.
There's a heat pipe on the CPU daughtercard in the PM G5. It's not for the 970. It's for the controller chip.
Even if the 970fx is itself small and cool, it implies a high-bandwidth architecture that is not. Getting a 970fx into a PowerBook is probably not that hard; I'd guess that it's getting the rest of the system in that's causing a lot of late nights in Cupertino.
In the meantime, whatever its faults, the G4 is a known quantity in a laptop. Whatever its faults, the PowerBook sold a record-breaking 197,000 units last quarter, so going by the last word in market acceptance it doesn't appear to be a liability, MaxBus notwithstanding. And just because we don't know where Freescale is going with the PowerPC doesn't mean that they aren't going anywhere. We didn't know about the 970 until the 11th hour, either.
This is a general question.
More RAM, better video, etc etc
Originally posted by oldmacfan
So if a new PB is released tomorrow, without a G5, what could be added to make them a better system?
This is a general question.
More RAM, better video, etc etc
Better video .... and a 10" formfactor
Originally posted by Escher
Well, murbot, O'Grady's PowerPage posted pre-release pictures of the Wallstreet PowerBook weeks before Apple announced it in May 1998. These days, there are less rumors and O'Grady's record is no longer immaculate.
However, MacGeneration is reporting that some French Mac resellers have dropped 12-inch PB prices by 300 euro. This wouldn't be unheard of, and MacGeneration reporting on it isn't surprising. What made me think twice is that MacMinute re-reported this. MacMinute has always been spot-on with the few rumors they have posted, usually the day before a major announcement. So, IMO, MacMinute's quote of the MacGeneration story suggests that they know about an imminent PowerBook update. MacMinute is hinting at it for the benefit of their regular readers, without an explicit statement that would draw Apple's ire.
Hope springs eternal. I'm optimistic...
Escher
Is that iBook getting a bit long in the tooth murbot
Let me second the initial questioning of PowerPage. I seem to remeber a lot of false leads by O'Grady recently. Here's one I was able to find.
Of course, I'd love to have my doubts proven wrong.
Originally posted by Gabid
Let me second the initial questioning of PowerPage. I seem to remeber a lot of false leads by O'Grady recently. Here's one I was able to find.
There's a difference between that instance and this instance. "Waiting in the wings" is a lot different than "New PowerBooks this Week." The Powerpage story seems to be definitive to state that it will happen this week.
Originally posted by Gabid
Is that iBook getting a bit long in the tooth murbot
2 months man.... we're talking freakin' dracula-fangs long-in-the-tooth.
It's as good as gone, baby. I feel like moving up a class. A new PowerBook would be cool.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
There's a difference between that instance and this instance. "Waiting in the wings" is a lot different than "New PowerBooks this Week." The Powerpage story seems to be definitive to state that it will happen this week.
Again, I hope to be proven wrong. But I had a nagging suspision that they've made "this week" predictions before and been wrong. Looks like they have. Mind you, those were the good old days of 2003 when a week couldn't go by without someone predicting new PowerBooks that week. We shall see...
As a total aside, I'd just like to say how impressed I am with the Apple section I saw in a CompUSA today. You can actually play with everything, they have all sizes of everything, and the software and accessories are right there in front of you to pick up and touch, not locked away behind glass as it tends to be back home. Heck, they even had Logic displayed, not the type of software you see in an Apple section in a chain store, or, heck, even an Apple store, in Canada. If this is any indication of what an official Apple Store is like, I say bring them on up to Canada. It'll give local dealers a good kick in the pants. Again, I don't want to hijack the thread, just wanting to give Apple a thumbs-up. Now back to pontificating about PowerBooks...
Originally posted by murbot
2 months man.... we're talking freakin' dracula-fangs long-in-the-tooth.
It's as good as gone, baby. I feel like moving up a class. A new PowerBook would be cool.
I know what you mean. Since I now have a tower at home, I much prefer the 12'' form factor of the iBook I'm typing on right now over my old 15'' PB. But I'm still hit with a touch of envy every time I see someone boot up a PB next to me
O'Grady is risking a lot of future hits and viewership by putting up false information, if it indeed is false, yet in the meantime the site is being gorged by hits.
Hope he's right.
Originally posted by murbot
2 months man.... we're talking freakin' dracula-fangs long-in-the-tooth.
It's as good as gone, baby. I feel like moving up a class. A new PowerBook would be cool.
You just HAD a PowerBook, you hardware-sellin', eBay-posting whore!
Man, you've got the whole "gettin' a new Mac!" thing down to an art. AND a science!
Hell, half the reason I don't get new Macs any more often than I do is because I hate the whole registration/initial preference/software installation/configuring/third-party installation routine. It DRAINS me.
Once every 3 or 4 years is all I can stomach.
Man, if they do come this week... another perfectly timed sale. heh heh