So the system makes mistakes, and when it does, let's insure the punishment is even worse than death?!?
Nice reasoning there.
Nick
It is my opinion that spending your life in prison is worse than death. However, a life in prison gives more time for the incorrect system to repair itself. its a win win. if we are looking to deter murder (which is another argument all together), spending life in prison is much more fear inducing than dying...
It is my opinion that spending your life in prison is worse than death. However, a life in prison gives more time for the incorrect system to repair itself. its a win win. if we are looking to deter murder (which is another argument all together), spending life in prison is much more fear inducing than dying...
No protestants I know are pro-death penalty. It seems to be an american thing.
Undoubtedly. America is much more religious than any other country in the world, or at least very close to it. American Protestants all seem to be "neo-Calvinist", so they aren't going to be like any European Protestant. Funny that Calvin was a lawyer. They are more liberal in the Midwest, more European, but I think the Southern strain is slowly taking over. Evidence: MN is becoming more Republican.
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In a perfect world, maybe. But with all the poverty in the world, I think it's quite unfair, and VERY unrealistic to deny people in every situations the right to abortion.
I holding a US-centric viewpoint here, otherwise the poll wouldn't have just mentioned Democrats and Republics.
I don't think there is a correlation between poverty and abortion. There is definitely a correlation between wealth/poverty and number of children, but that seems more to do with wealth changing one's ways, not because more children makes a society poorer. I think that banning abortion really won't change the population of America that much.
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You know they will be performed anyway, so are you advocating prosecuting poor people who do? (Because the rich will always get away with it.) And what about the health conditions that come with illegal abortions?
Not sure what the legal ramifications would or should be. I would hope that state-level advocacy of bearing the baby to term and giving them up for adoption would become a viable alternative and reduce the number of non-medical abortions. I would also have the US gov't increase funding for adoption services and orphanages.
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Is this your view nomatter how short the pregnancy has proceeded? What are you feelings stuff like "the day after" pills. Pills that prevent fertalization? What would you think of a metod that works within minutes of a started pregnancy? In short were do you draw the line?
I suggested a "third way" in the 2nd post of this topic: after 8 weeks. I'm for gov't funded stem cell research, birth control, day-after pills, etc.
i think females only should decide the abortion issue. or at least should be deciding this as much as males.
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i don't think the very small child feels anything, i mean. . . i don't think a fetus counts as a human really.
You have obviously never been pregnant. You can tell that the child has a distinct personality from the moment you can feel the first movements. And there is absolutely no reason to think they can't feel pain. (Quite the contrary.) For example, the little buggers don't like dopplers; some of them "swim" away, some kick at it, some turn and give it their backside. And they'll kick for different reasons. Some will adjust when you roll over or adjust; some will kick and squirm incessantly until you return to the position they found comfortable. A new born may not have as "articulated" a personality as fully grown adult, but they have a personality. And I swear I could have picked my baby out from a crowd of other babies based on how well I knew them _before_ they were born.
well i am pro-choice but think that although this is sort of insensitive i think that all people with AIDs that are pregnant should be required to have an abortion... i know that this seems ruthless but why not, i mean it would only help the AIDs epidemic a little considering most people with AIDs will never goto a pre natal check-up because their shit poor living in africa but all americans who goto a doctors office saying i'm pregnant and the doctor finds out that they have that terrible disease they should give them a number of an abortion clinic...
but all americans who goto a doctors office saying i'm pregnant and the doctor finds out that they have that terrible disease they should give them a number of an abortion clinic...
just how i see it
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These kids have taught me more about life than any professor.
i'm a bit conflicted on abortion. on the one hand, i tend to think of the unborn as a child. but i think its ok to kill it if it was a product of rape or incest. its interesting how thegelding says that prolifers tend to not consider the woman holding the child; from this side i tend to think that prochoicers undervalue the life being extinquished. i think of it as this: the woman has to deal with the terribleness of birth for 9 months; the unborn has no chance to live at all. the magnitude for the child tends to favor me that way.
but in the end, i'm not the one who has to walk around with one of those things, so my vote should be lessened. if i knocked someone up, and she wanted my opinion, i'd probably run...i mean, i'd tell her that i dont like abortions, but its ultimately up to her.
as politicking goes, i'm not registered in any party, nor to vote. i'm generally more liberal (i tend to think), than conservative leaning. i might register for the next run, because we gotta get that fcker out. also, i'm against the death penalty for two reasons. one, like billybobsky, the finality of death is too overwhelming, considering that the system has made too many mistakes (and any mistake is too many). but more importantly, i dont think the state should have the power to take a citizen's life, because that's too much power for a government.
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i was half being facetious... it is april fools you know..
Originally posted by trumptman
So the system makes mistakes, and when it does, let's insure the punishment is even worse than death?!?
Nice reasoning there.
Nick
It is my opinion that spending your life in prison is worse than death. However, a life in prison gives more time for the incorrect system to repair itself. its a win win. if we are looking to deter murder (which is another argument all together), spending life in prison is much more fear inducing than dying...
Originally posted by billybobsky
It is my opinion that spending your life in prison is worse than death. However, a life in prison gives more time for the incorrect system to repair itself. its a win win. if we are looking to deter murder (which is another argument all together), spending life in prison is much more fear inducing than dying...
EXACTLY
Originally posted by New
No protestants I know are pro-death penalty. It seems to be an american thing.
Undoubtedly. America is much more religious than any other country in the world, or at least very close to it. American Protestants all seem to be "neo-Calvinist", so they aren't going to be like any European Protestant. Funny that Calvin was a lawyer.
In a perfect world, maybe. But with all the poverty in the world, I think it's quite unfair, and VERY unrealistic to deny people in every situations the right to abortion.
I holding a US-centric viewpoint here, otherwise the poll wouldn't have just mentioned Democrats and Republics.
I don't think there is a correlation between poverty and abortion. There is definitely a correlation between wealth/poverty and number of children, but that seems more to do with wealth changing one's ways, not because more children makes a society poorer. I think that banning abortion really won't change the population of America that much.
You know they will be performed anyway, so are you advocating prosecuting poor people who do? (Because the rich will always get away with it.) And what about the health conditions that come with illegal abortions?
Not sure what the legal ramifications would or should be. I would hope that state-level advocacy of bearing the baby to term and giving them up for adoption would become a viable alternative and reduce the number of non-medical abortions. I would also have the US gov't increase funding for adoption services and orphanages.
Is this your view nomatter how short the pregnancy has proceeded? What are you feelings stuff like "the day after" pills. Pills that prevent fertalization? What would you think of a metod that works within minutes of a started pregnancy? In short were do you draw the line?
I suggested a "third way" in the 2nd post of this topic: after 8 weeks. I'm for gov't funded stem cell research, birth control, day-after pills, etc.
Originally posted by xionja
i think females only should decide the abortion issue. or at least should be deciding this as much as males.
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i don't think the very small child feels anything, i mean. . . i don't think a fetus counts as a human really.
You have obviously never been pregnant. You can tell that the child has a distinct personality from the moment you can feel the first movements. And there is absolutely no reason to think they can't feel pain. (Quite the contrary.) For example, the little buggers don't like dopplers; some of them "swim" away, some kick at it, some turn and give it their backside. And they'll kick for different reasons. Some will adjust when you roll over or adjust; some will kick and squirm incessantly until you return to the position they found comfortable. A new born may not have as "articulated" a personality as fully grown adult, but they have a personality. And I swear I could have picked my baby out from a crowd of other babies based on how well I knew them _before_ they were born.
Originally posted by New
seems to me that you are pro-choice then? (within the first 8 weeks).
I recognize the need for compromise.
Originally posted by billybobsky
no its not.
i was half being facetious... it is april fools you know..
Oh, OK then.
I think abortion should be legal, but government funds should not go to assist anyone in getting the procedure done.
just how i see it
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Originally posted by PS5533
but all americans who goto a doctors office saying i'm pregnant and the doctor finds out that they have that terrible disease they should give them a number of an abortion clinic...
just how i see it
PS
These kids have taught me more about life than any professor.
but in the end, i'm not the one who has to walk around with one of those things, so my vote should be lessened. if i knocked someone up, and she wanted my opinion, i'd probably run...i mean, i'd tell her that i dont like abortions, but its ultimately up to her.
as politicking goes, i'm not registered in any party, nor to vote. i'm generally more liberal (i tend to think), than conservative leaning. i might register for the next run, because we gotta get that fcker out. also, i'm against the death penalty for two reasons. one, like billybobsky, the finality of death is too overwhelming, considering that the system has made too many mistakes (and any mistake is too many). but more importantly, i dont think the state should have the power to take a citizen's life, because that's too much power for a government.