Just so you know...that is a British soldier...can't have the Americans have all the fun...
Not the first time for the Brits either, there's a similar story from last May. This guy was not only stupid enough to abuse prisoners, he also took photos and then tried to get them developed at a local camera shop when back in the UK:
If ALL or ANY of these photos are genuine, the UMCJ will be more than sufficient to handle the perpetrators (all of whom basically just ruined their lives.)
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"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."
What has the internet got to do with this? These photos are mainly screencaps from TV.
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UMJC sufficient? Hello? "One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him"
The only life this guy has ruined is that of the Iraqi teenage boy he raped.
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To me the troops in those photos look like they have grown "too fond" of war/mental, physical and sexual abuse of helpless prisoners. In fact it looks like they're having a whale of a time.
I saw the BBC report on it last night. They showed that tabloid as well and President Bush speaking about it. Was hoping for a different perspective and got it, when they noted that the images were now being aired and condemned throughout the Arab world. God we look like such hypocrits; makes me want to puke up last night's dinner.
And no, I'm not saying this is Bush's fault; I'm just saying it makes me want to puke, especially since some civilian contractors were involved (which IS the administration's fault, as far as their being there... hopefully they'll pull these losers out of Iraq and send them back to their militia clubs back home).
Really, giant are you trying to tell us that ALL of those photos are genuine? Also, the US doesn't "have to cook up" anything---anyone with a couple of extras, a copy of Photoshop, and a spare pair of BDUs could produce this crap. (I don't hear much about the "this soldier killed my dad and knocked up my sister photo anymore.) Some of those are genuine, I doubt all are---but it feeds anti-war zeal all the same.
What the "internet has to do" with this is how the photos "got out" in the first place. If ANY of ALL of these photos are genuine, it is most likely somebody emailed them out of Iraq and they found their way out into the light.
And as for private contractors engaging in rape, I had no idea there was recruiting for the University of Colorado's football program going in Iraq.
The "kid" is Brigadier General Janice Karpinski, the commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade which oversees all the U.S. detention centers in Iraq.
So it's worse on many levels, moreso than were it a mere "kid".
Err... No... The pictures does not show the Brigadier General... just some of the jerks she was in charge of...
the people who took and posed for the pictures should get an dishonorable dischage for putting americans more at risk for even more hatred and attacks
Hell, if they're putting Americans at more risk of attack, they should be charged as terrorists. Capital Punishment. If we're not going to use it, we might as well get rid of it.
I'm repeating the premise of my earlier post, but I heard a military spokesperson explain that the people running the prison had not been trained in the particulars of the Geneva Convention, and that such training would commence immediately so as to minimize the possibility of this kind of thing ever happening again.
Which again begs the question, why does it require training in the Geneva Convention to inhibit American service personnel from humiliating and abusing prisoners? Isn't that sort of.... I don't know...... part and parcel of being not a horrible person and a shitty soldier?
I keep getting this image of a soldier gong "Ohhhh, we're supposed to not use them as props for our funny pictures? So, let me get this straight, that's a bad thing? Well, hell, why didn't you just tell us? How were we supposed to know?"
That's because 16-24 are not photos of real rape but simulated rape PORN.
Some asshole added screen grabs from whatever porno movies he could find on the Net that had soldiers in it and put it into the context of the CBS photos. (Also note, the U.S. military uses desert camouflage in Iraq, not woodland or jungle camouflage.)
Albasrah.net is making a bad situation worse via disinformation. They do so elsewhere with shoddy "jounalistic" (if I dare use the word for that blatant propaganda site) practices of showing pictures with no context or incorrect context.
I say kill them. Why not? It's the only thing Bush does right imho. I say if someone kills or does such horrific acts to someone else they just forfeited their right to live. If they did it once they can and probably will do it again. Off with their head!!!
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Originally posted by Artman @_@
Just so you know...that is a British soldier...can't have the Americans have all the fun...
Not the first time for the Brits either, there's a similar story from last May. This guy was not only stupid enough to abuse prisoners, he also took photos and then tried to get them developed at a local camera shop when back in the UK:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2951888.stm
Originally posted by dmz
Welcome to the internet.
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If ALL or ANY of these photos are genuine, the UMCJ will be more than sufficient to handle the perpetrators (all of whom basically just ruined their lives.)
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"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."
What has the internet got to do with this? These photos are mainly screencaps from TV.
...
UMJC sufficient? Hello? "One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him"
The only life this guy has ruined is that of the Iraqi teenage boy he raped.
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To me the troops in those photos look like they have grown "too fond" of war/mental, physical and sexual abuse of helpless prisoners. In fact it looks like they're having a whale of a time.
And no, I'm not saying this is Bush's fault; I'm just saying it makes me want to puke, especially since some civilian contractors were involved (which IS the administration's fault, as far as their being there... hopefully they'll pull these losers out of Iraq and send them back to their militia clubs back home).
http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow
I can't find the source for the rape photos
What the "internet has to do" with this is how the photos "got out" in the first place. If ANY of ALL of these photos are genuine, it is most likely somebody emailed them out of Iraq and they found their way out into the light.
And as for private contractors engaging in rape, I had no idea there was recruiting for the University of Colorado's football program going in Iraq.
Originally posted by johnq
Hello? Can we please read the sources?
The "kid" is Brigadier General Janice Karpinski, the commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade which oversees all the U.S. detention centers in Iraq.
So it's worse on many levels, moreso than were it a mere "kid".
Err... No... The pictures does not show the Brigadier General... just some of the jerks she was in charge of...
Originally posted by dmz
Really, giant are you trying to tell us that ALL of those photos are genuine?
RTFA (or WTFC in this case)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Nomad667/iraq.wmv
Originally posted by dmz
Some of those are genuine, I doubt all are---but it feeds anti-war zeal all the same.
It doesn't matter if ALL of them are genuine, even if only a small amount are real, the case still stands that this shit *is* happening.
(Unless you are working for the U of Colorado)
Originally posted by burningwheel
the people who took and posed for the pictures should get an dishonorable dischage for putting americans more at risk for even more hatred and attacks
Hell, if they're putting Americans at more risk of attack, they should be charged as terrorists. Capital Punishment. If we're not going to use it, we might as well get rid of it.
Which again begs the question, why does it require training in the Geneva Convention to inhibit American service personnel from humiliating and abusing prisoners? Isn't that sort of.... I don't know...... part and parcel of being not a horrible person and a shitty soldier?
I keep getting this image of a soldier gong "Ohhhh, we're supposed to not use them as props for our funny pictures? So, let me get this straight, that's a bad thing? Well, hell, why didn't you just tell us? How were we supposed to know?"
Originally posted by New
Err... No... The pictures does not show the Brigadier General... just some of the jerks she was in charge of...
I stand corrected. (She's more fugly than the "kid")
Originally posted by dmz
If they are convicted of violating the Geneva conventions, they will get WAY more than a DD.
true. i totally forgot about that. but i suspect they'll get the DD as well
Originally posted by giant
Here are all of the photos:
http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow
I can't find the source for the rape photos
sh!t. i didn't know thet abused women as well
Originally posted by burningwheel
true. i totally forgot about that. but i suspect they'll get the DD as well
Probably spend some time making big rocks into little rocks.
Originally posted by giant
Here are all of the photos:
http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow
I can't find the source for the rape photos
That's because 16-24 are not photos of real rape but simulated rape PORN.
Some asshole added screen grabs from whatever porno movies he could find on the Net that had soldiers in it and put it into the context of the CBS photos. (Also note, the U.S. military uses desert camouflage in Iraq, not woodland or jungle camouflage.)
Albasrah.net is making a bad situation worse via disinformation. They do so elsewhere with shoddy "jounalistic" (if I dare use the word for that blatant propaganda site) practices of showing pictures with no context or incorrect context.
I say kill them. Why not? It's the only thing Bush does right imho. I say if someone kills or does such horrific acts to someone else they just forfeited their right to live. If they did it once they can and probably will do it again. Off with their head!!!