not surprising. i always found it curious that they found gas masks and protective suits in the Iraqi army's bunkers and other places as well. no one seemed to make a big deal about it at the time
No doubt this is more spin from Bushcorp. The real question is when the US ship chemical weapons in to Iraq and fake this attack.
I have a question for you Scott. Do you know what Serin is and how to produce it? Do you know how hard/easy it is to produce? Do you know what chemicals (or what class of chemicals ie cleaning, farming...) are used as to produce Serin? Do you know of any civilian incidents involving Serin?
"Finding" one IED laced with Serin over a year after we went to Iraq when we "Knew" where these stockpiles were prior to the war is a weak link. Additionally, how many times have we "found" VX, Serin, or Nuclear WMD thus far? Lets see, there were the 10 shells found by the Dutch. There was a pesticide cache thought to be VX found within weeks of the fall of Baghdad. There was a nuclear stockpile found within weeks of the fall of Baghbad that turned out to be medical waste.
Iraq never got its sarin pure enough to store for longer than a couple months, so, if it is sarin, it's from elsewhere. Iraq's sarin at best was only @ 60% purity (50% is low end of effective range) and is estimates to have really only been between 20-50% in production.
But don't let the facts stop you from desperately searching for any scrap that feeds your inaccurate beliefs.
Iraq never got its sarin pure enough to store for longer than a couple months, so, if it is sarin, it's from elsewhere. Iraq's sarin at best was only @ 60% purity (50% is low end of effective range) and is estimates to have really only been between 20-50% in production.
But don't let the facts stop you from desperately searching for any scrap that feeds your inaccurate beliefs.
.....don't they have a "best if detonated by" date on the side of the casing?
Jesus told him, "You people will never believe unless you see miraculous signs and wonders."
Nothing will ever convince some people that WMDs exist in Iraq. For a good number of people, there is simply nothing under the canopy of heaven that will be enough to outweigh the singular hatred for Bushcorp. If Saddam went on CBS and said he had them- well, he was coerced. If they fell from the sky with Iraqi flags painted on them- well, we painted the flags on them. If some Iraqi scientist comes forward and says that they exist- well, he must be a coalition puppet.
Ahhh....and religion enters. The parallels of blind faith in something contradictory to the facts are wonderful. Saddam was armed with WMD and evolution is a myth. Thanks for letting us know.
Jesus told him, "You people will never believe unless you see miraculous signs and wonders."
Nothing will ever convince some people that WMDs do not exist in Iraq. For a good number of people, there is simply nothing under the canopy of heaven that will be enough to outweigh their slavish devotion to Bushcorp. If Saddam went on CBS and said he did not have them - well, he must be lying. If none were found after over a year of searching, we just haven't found them yet. (We probably need to look in Syria.) If some Iraqi scientist comes forward and says that they do not exist - well, he must be a puppet of Saddam. Or the Godless Europeans.
...now the're saying someone FUBARed a IED with mustard gas a couple of weeks ago. Because of---improper storage, etc--it didn't work.
But
Where are "these people" getting used-up, past-freshness-date WMD anyway?
YIKES!
Mustard Gas is very easy to make. To make and IED with this substance requires that an old artillery shell be filled with new or old (MG does last for a while unlike VX and Sarin) mustard gas and viola. Any old shell could be converted for this purpose; however, specialized shells are required to disperse chemical weaponry in battle.
Mustard gas is an effective weapon because it produces wounded casualties vice dead ones. Taking care of the wounded consumes more resources than taking care of the dead.
So the US terminated the UN weapons inspections after they did not find proof for what? 3 month?
Then the very same US throws wave after wave of chemicals weapons specialists at Iraq and after one whole year of full control of the country they still have found nothing.
And now some goons just march up a highway and plant a chemical shell and a detonator. Uhuh, they surely hid the thing under a pillow for the last 10 years ...
Mustard gas is an effective weapon because it produces wounded casualties vice dead ones. Taking care of the wounded consumes more resources than taking care of the dead.
It's a battlefield weapon, but the Church of Bush doesn't know any better so the fearmongering works.
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I mean nobody considers IED to be weapons targeted at masses of people...
Originally posted by Scott
No doubt this is more spin from Bushcorp. The real question is when the US ship chemical weapons in to Iraq and fake this attack.
I have a question for you Scott. Do you know what Serin is and how to produce it? Do you know how hard/easy it is to produce? Do you know what chemicals (or what class of chemicals ie cleaning, farming...) are used as to produce Serin? Do you know of any civilian incidents involving Serin?
"Finding" one IED laced with Serin over a year after we went to Iraq when we "Knew" where these stockpiles were prior to the war is a weak link. Additionally, how many times have we "found" VX, Serin, or Nuclear WMD thus far? Lets see, there were the 10 shells found by the Dutch. There was a pesticide cache thought to be VX found within weeks of the fall of Baghdad. There was a nuclear stockpile found within weeks of the fall of Baghbad that turned out to be medical waste.
Here's some answers to the above questions:
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/basics/facts.asp
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfactsd4.html
http://cfrterrorism.org/weapons/sarin.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin
If you feel this single incident was justification for the war then I'm sorry for you.
But don't let the facts stop you from desperately searching for any scrap that feeds your inaccurate beliefs.
Originally posted by giant
Iraq never got its sarin pure enough to store for longer than a couple months, so, if it is sarin, it's from elsewhere. Iraq's sarin at best was only @ 60% purity (50% is low end of effective range) and is estimates to have really only been between 20-50% in production.
But don't let the facts stop you from desperately searching for any scrap that feeds your inaccurate beliefs.
.....don't they have a "best if detonated by" date on the side of the casing?
Originally posted by dmz
.....don't they have a "best if detonated by" date on the side of the casing?
Yes, although the sticker actually says 'Worst if detonated by.'
Jesus told him, "You people will never believe unless you see miraculous signs and wonders."
Nothing will ever convince some people that WMDs exist in Iraq. For a good number of people, there is simply nothing under the canopy of heaven that will be enough to outweigh the singular hatred for Bushcorp. If Saddam went on CBS and said he had them- well, he was coerced. If they fell from the sky with Iraqi flags painted on them- well, we painted the flags on them. If some Iraqi scientist comes forward and says that they exist- well, he must be a coalition puppet.
Nothing will ever be good enough.
Originally posted by Jubelum
Nothing will ever be good enough.
I don't know about that, but a single artillery shell which even the military says is most likely pre-1991 is definitely not good enough.
Church of Bush.
Originally posted by segovius
Whatever they're paying you Scott, it's nowhere near enough
But
Where are "these people" getting used-up, past-freshness-date WMD anyway?
YIKES!
Jesus told him, "You people will never believe unless you see miraculous signs and wonders."
Nothing will ever convince some people that WMDs do not exist in Iraq. For a good number of people, there is simply nothing under the canopy of heaven that will be enough to outweigh their slavish devotion to Bushcorp. If Saddam went on CBS and said he did not have them - well, he must be lying. If none were found after over a year of searching, we just haven't found them yet. (We probably need to look in Syria.) If some Iraqi scientist comes forward and says that they do not exist - well, he must be a puppet of Saddam. Or the Godless Europeans.
Nothing will ever be good enough.
You have to love fox news, though:
Investigators are trying to determine how insurgents obtained these weapons ? whether they were looted or supplied.
Nice way to frame it. You guys must be glad they do the thinking for you and then package every statement in assumptions.
Originally posted by dmz
...now the're saying someone FUBARed a IED with mustard gas a couple of weeks ago. Because of---improper storage, etc--it didn't work.
But
Where are "these people" getting used-up, past-freshness-date WMD anyway?
YIKES!
Mustard Gas is very easy to make. To make and IED with this substance requires that an old artillery shell be filled with new or old (MG does last for a while unlike VX and Sarin) mustard gas and viola. Any old shell could be converted for this purpose; however, specialized shells are required to disperse chemical weaponry in battle.
Mustard gas is an effective weapon because it produces wounded casualties vice dead ones. Taking care of the wounded consumes more resources than taking care of the dead.
A little more info on MG:
http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistr...rd/mustard.htm
http://cfrterrorism.org/weapons/mustard.html
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sulfurmu...sics/facts.asp
Then the very same US throws wave after wave of chemicals weapons specialists at Iraq and after one whole year of full control of the country they still have found nothing.
And now some goons just march up a highway and plant a chemical shell and a detonator. Uhuh, they surely hid the thing under a pillow for the last 10 years ...
Originally posted by faust9
Mustard gas is an effective weapon because it produces wounded casualties vice dead ones. Taking care of the wounded consumes more resources than taking care of the dead.
It's a battlefield weapon, but the Church of Bush doesn't know any better so the fearmongering works.