Which is what I would be happy with. I would certainly be really pi$$ed if they suddenly had a dual core processor system, and released it as a substitute for 2x psychical processor setup.
I am guessing that he meant a single dual-core processor instead of two independent single-core processors. But I think that when Apple does this, it will be POWER5-based, not the current 970 (POWER4-based). I would be much happier with a dual-core system.
Don't forget the crap-tasticular GeForce 5200 Apple is going to include with these "Power"Mac systems in the year 2004.
It is crap-tacular. A combination of crappy and spectacular. Tasticular is just a bad spelling of an adjective describing.. well I really don't want my first post on the boards to be pornographic.
Back on topic, I was looking at the rumors and news sites and thought that all signs were pointing to an update today, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Some of you need to take a deep breath. The rumors and rampant speculation are what make being a Mac-Fanatic so fun. If you don't want to be so disappointed, stop visiting the rumor sites.
What I mean is when we see these dual core systems (if ever) Apple better not release a SP dual core system, and say o.k., now MP is out the window this is just as good as an MP system so no more MP system's. Basically they need to use the dual core processors, but keep 2 of them in at least the highest configuration of the PowerMacs. XOEN's aren't going away any time soon.
I should have a much better video card. That the current models ships standard with 9600s and 5200s doesn't exactly impress.
An ATi X800 Pro should do, with option for the XT, or eventually the GeForce 6800 Ultra for an additional price is what I'd say is appropriate for a world-class pro-machine. Eventually, if they've finally managed to get ATi or nVidia to give'em some serious cards/drivers, they should substitute the highest-end gaming cards with that instead. :-)
What I mean is when we see these dual core systems (if ever) Apple better not release a SP dual core system, and say o.k., now MP is out the window this is just as good as an MP system so no more MP system's.
But it is just as good as a MP system. Better, in fact, because the two cores can communicate faster and more efficiently.
I should have a much better video card. That the current models ships standard with 9600s and 5200s doesn't exactly impress.
An ATi X800 Pro should do, with option for the XT, or eventually the GeForce 6800 Ultra for an additional price is what I'd say is appropriate for a world-class pro-machine. Eventually, if they've finally managed to get ATi or nVidia to give'em some serious cards/drivers, they should substitute the highest-end gaming cards with that instead. :-)
Boy do I hope you guy's don't work for Apple because if you are trying to get me to remain a Mac user for another 8 years lagging behind the competition on these specs don't count on it.
What I mean is when we see these dual core systems (if ever) Apple better not release a SP dual core system, and say o.k., now MP is out the window this is just as good as an MP system so no more MP system's. Basically they need to use the dual core processors, but keep 2 of them in at least the highest configuration of the PowerMacs. XOEN's aren't going away any time soon.
But is is as good as MP systems. A dual dual-core system would be pretty much equivalent with a quad system. I wouldn't mind either.
Boy do I hope you guy's don't work for Apple because if you are trying to get me to remain a Mac user for another 8 years lagging behind the competition on these specs don't count on it.
I'm not trying to get you remain a Mac user. I'm just tired of having to justify buying less functional hardware for more money.
Boy do I hope you guy's don't work for Apple because if you are trying to get me to remain a Mac user for another 8 years lagging behind the competition on these specs don't count on it.
Do you get Apple at all? When the PowerMac G5s came out they had some of the fastest video available, the fastest processor (arguably) in a desktop, one of the fastest buses in all the world, but because they aren't Dull with 8000 different configurations and drivers that f*** up other things in the system or flat out do not work, you are upset. Then go buy a $499 Dull and deal with the issues and viri and the like.
Apple probably will never be on the bleeding edge of (video mostly) support, but the reasons are obvious and understandable.
If Apple releases a PM speed bump this week I would anticipate that it will be for immediate shipment - at least for those that are fast to order.
That still leaves WWDC where Steve J can talk about what is coming in the PM line and this (like last year) can be a G5 announcement for shipment in the fall. This is where I see the 3 gig - announced a year after the original G5 announcement and delivered a year after the original G5 deliveries. It is also the time for Steve to announce a quad - only at 3 gig and delivery in the fall. If he doesn't do it here then I bet we will have to wait for the next WWDC.
One indicator might be a new generation G5 iMac. If this hits before WWDC then there will be room (time) for Steve to talk about 3 gigs and a quad - both of which would give him great pleasure.
In terms of the value of the quad I think you need to look at the life sciences market as well as the traditional pro mac markets. A quad could be huge in this market and they would be fast to pick it up.
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Originally posted by onlooker
Which is what I would be happy with. I would certainly be really pi$$ed if they suddenly had a dual core processor system, and released it as a substitute for 2x psychical processor setup.
What's wrong with dual core?
Originally posted by Zapchud
What's wrong with dual core?
I am guessing that he meant a single dual-core processor instead of two independent single-core processors. But I think that when Apple does this, it will be POWER5-based, not the current 970 (POWER4-based). I would be much happier with a dual-core system.
Originally posted by curiousuburb
they must have meant that other tomorrow.
Yeah, they were probably talking about the second Tuesday this week
Originally posted by Whisper
Yeah, they were probably talking about the second Tuesday this week
Easy, folks... it's not even 10:30 AM in Cupertino... and BTW, read my post at the bottom of this thread's second page...
greetings,
durandal
Originally posted by durandal
Easy, folks... it's not even 10:30 AM in Cupertino...
Now, do you really believe the update is going to happen later in this day?
So, I guess this is my good-bye to the 17" LCD on the line, since it looks as if these are its final days....or hours...
Well, this should be awesome....A G5 Low-end Dual 2.2 or Dual 1.8, with a 23 inch Apple Cinema LCD.
Originally posted by Existence
Don't forget the crap-tasticular GeForce 5200 Apple is going to include with these "Power"Mac systems in the year 2004.
It is crap-tacular. A combination of crappy and spectacular. Tasticular is just a bad spelling of an adjective describing.. well I really don't want my first post on the boards to be pornographic.
Back on topic, I was looking at the rumors and news sites and thought that all signs were pointing to an update today, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Some of you need to take a deep breath. The rumors and rampant speculation are what make being a Mac-Fanatic so fun. If you don't want to be so disappointed, stop visiting the rumor sites.
But if it is the high end, I'll be happy with it. Esp. if it has a much better video card.
Originally posted by Zapchud
What's wrong with dual core?
What I mean is when we see these dual core systems (if ever) Apple better not release a SP dual core system, and say o.k., now MP is out the window this is just as good as an MP system so no more MP system's. Basically they need to use the dual core processors, but keep 2 of them in at least the highest configuration of the PowerMacs. XOEN's aren't going away any time soon.
An ATi X800 Pro should do, with option for the XT, or eventually the GeForce 6800 Ultra for an additional price is what I'd say is appropriate for a world-class pro-machine. Eventually, if they've finally managed to get ATi or nVidia to give'em some serious cards/drivers, they should substitute the highest-end gaming cards with that instead. :-)
Originally posted by onlooker
What I mean is when we see these dual core systems (if ever) Apple better not release a SP dual core system, and say o.k., now MP is out the window this is just as good as an MP system so no more MP system's.
But it is just as good as a MP system. Better, in fact, because the two cores can communicate faster and more efficiently.
Originally posted by Whisper
But it is just as good as a MP system. Better, in fact, because the two cores can communicate faster and more efficiently.
Don't be a weenie. It'll still lag 1/2 the power behind a Dual P4 XEON setup.
Originally posted by Zapchud
I should have a much better video card. That the current models ships standard with 9600s and 5200s doesn't exactly impress.
An ATi X800 Pro should do, with option for the XT, or eventually the GeForce 6800 Ultra for an additional price is what I'd say is appropriate for a world-class pro-machine. Eventually, if they've finally managed to get ATi or nVidia to give'em some serious cards/drivers, they should substitute the highest-end gaming cards with that instead. :-)
Boy do I hope you guy's don't work for Apple because if you are trying to get me to remain a Mac user for another 8 years lagging behind the competition on these specs don't count on it.
Originally posted by onlooker
What I mean is when we see these dual core systems (if ever) Apple better not release a SP dual core system, and say o.k., now MP is out the window this is just as good as an MP system so no more MP system's. Basically they need to use the dual core processors, but keep 2 of them in at least the highest configuration of the PowerMacs. XOEN's aren't going away any time soon.
But is is as good as MP systems. A dual dual-core system would be pretty much equivalent with a quad system. I wouldn't mind either.
Originally posted by onlooker
Don't be a weenie. It'll still lag 1/2 the power behind a Dual P4 XEON setup.
Are we talking about the same thing here? A dual core system has two complete cpus; they're just on one large chip.
Originally posted by onlooker
Boy do I hope you guy's don't work for Apple because if you are trying to get me to remain a Mac user for another 8 years lagging behind the competition on these specs don't count on it.
I'm not trying to get you remain a Mac user. I'm just tired of having to justify buying less functional hardware for more money.
Originally posted by onlooker
Boy do I hope you guy's don't work for Apple because if you are trying to get me to remain a Mac user for another 8 years lagging behind the competition on these specs don't count on it.
Do you get Apple at all? When the PowerMac G5s came out they had some of the fastest video available, the fastest processor (arguably) in a desktop, one of the fastest buses in all the world, but because they aren't Dull with 8000 different configurations and drivers that f*** up other things in the system or flat out do not work, you are upset. Then go buy a $499 Dull and deal with the issues and viri and the like.
Apple probably will never be on the bleeding edge of (video mostly) support, but the reasons are obvious and understandable.
Jeez.
That still leaves WWDC where Steve J can talk about what is coming in the PM line and this (like last year) can be a G5 announcement for shipment in the fall. This is where I see the 3 gig - announced a year after the original G5 announcement and delivered a year after the original G5 deliveries. It is also the time for Steve to announce a quad - only at 3 gig and delivery in the fall. If he doesn't do it here then I bet we will have to wait for the next WWDC.
One indicator might be a new generation G5 iMac. If this hits before WWDC then there will be room (time) for Steve to talk about 3 gigs and a quad - both of which would give him great pleasure.
In terms of the value of the quad I think you need to look at the life sciences market as well as the traditional pro mac markets. A quad could be huge in this market and they would be fast to pick it up.
20 more days . . .