I don't care abupt the profanity, I care that he doesn't even pretend to care, to straighten up his rumpled coat, sort of speak.
He should at least carry the pretense of caring about comporting oneself with dignity in Public . . . after all he isn't just some congressman, or machaninc he is the VP.
Great post. So we don't get accused of trying to sidetrack the Cheney telling someone to fuck off thread, perhaps you could post it as a seperate topic. I know I've already been charged with that once simply by replying to others like yourself. I know you don't want to be part of the great conservative conspiracy to silence all those who wish to denounce people who curse. So please start a different thread.
Nick
Apologies for going way offtopic. but thanks anyway.
Back on topic: Cheney swearing? Although I dislike his politics intensely, so what if he swears, blowing off steam? Who doesn't?I do, we all do. when we get beyond irritation. Cheney (or anyone)_ cussing someone out is total trivia, a storm in a teacup, absolutely of no importance to anything.
Well it is ironic Nick you have to admit, that all these conservatives get hot and bothered by a nipple (Janet Jackson) or pay thousands to cover Lady Justice's boob (hey maybe they're gay!), and get all mock infuriated by Kerry saying fuck, but let Dick get away with this. Here you go.
Hehe found another. LOL I love that About Political Cartoons section!!!!
Well it is ironic Nick you have to admit, that all these conservatives get hot and bothered by a nipple (Janet Jackson) or pay thousands to cover Lady Justice's boob (hey maybe they're gay!), and get all mock infuriated by Kerry saying fuck, but let Dick get away with this. Here you go.
It's only ironic in the context that a private conversation would make national news if it is a conservative.
Howard Stern on syndicated radio and John Kerry in Rolling Stone are hardly private conversations.
Does anyone here really, honestly, believe that liberals would get away with this:
Since The Washington Post reported on June 25 that Vice President Dick Cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) "fuck yourself" during a brief argument on the Senate floor, right-wing commentators have rallied to Cheney's defense.
On June 25, Mark R. Levin -- a WABC radio talk show host and president of the conservative Landmark Legal Foundation -- filling in for regular ABC Radio host Sean Hannity on his radio program The Sean Hannity Show, addressed Senator Leahy on Cheney's behalf:
Quote:
LEVIN: By the way, Senator Leahy out there, "F-you."
Radio host Rush Limbaugh, who was out on vacation June 25, weighed in on June 28, purporting to articulate what Cheney was thinking when he cursed at Leahy:
Quote:
LIMBAUGH: "You expect me to come over here and act like you're my friend after all this rotgut garbage you're saying about me? F-you."
LIMBAUGH: "F-you. You aren't my friend; I don't want you in my company. And I'm not going to smile when I'm around you, because you don't deserve my friendship. You haven't earned my friendship. You are my enemy. And I'm not going to come here and put on a show, phony-baloney show that says I like you, and that we are convivial, and that are we are colleagues, and all we do is disagree in the daytime, but at night we go out and have a beer. F-you. I don't want to have a beer with you. I don't want to be anywhere near you. I don't like you. You do not deserve my friendship, and don't act like we're friends here."
Limbaugh concluded:
Quote:
LIMBAUGH: [A]ll he [Cheney] did, was suggest a certain sexual practice that Senator Leahy try on himself.
Dick Morris, the onetime Clinton adviser turned critic, author and FOX News political analyst, appeared on FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes on June 28, where he suggested that Cheney could "get a medal for cursing" Senator Leahy:
Quote:
MORRIS: But you know, you've got to realize, there's a special exemption in the United States Senate for cursing at Patrick Leahy. He's the most irascible member of the Senate. ...You can get a medal for cursing him.
Why isn't Terry McAuliff on every TV show ranting and raving about Cheney? Where's the DNC? Where's the DSCC? Where's the DLC? Why aren't the democrats forcing this into the press? Why aren't they capitalizing on this the way the Republican slim-machine does?
Ultimately, my point is that Ed Gillespie would be making a hayday out of thisand Democrats are inept at doing the same. Where's are the liberal watchdogs? Is the media only interesting in Republican anger when they get their panties in a bunch? Why does the media give a pass to Mr. Dick "Big Time" Cheney? Why is Cheney considered "more respected" by dropping the F-bomb, but Kerry's un-presidential?
Why does the media give a pass to Mr. Dick "Big Time" Cheney? Why is Cheney considered "more respected" by dropping the F-bomb, but Kerry's un-presidential?
Maybe because, unlike the psychotic, drooling, blood-thirsty mob here, they can understand the difference between being on the record with a public statement, and being off the record in a private conversation.
Up next ladies and gentleman, Dick Cheney says, "I'm going to fuck you hard." Of course it is in his bedroom with his wife, but we don't care about that.
Up next ladies and gentleman, Dick Cheney says, "I'm going to fuck you hard." Of course it is in his bedroom with his wife, but we don't care about that.
Nick
are you kidding? he'd have a fucking heart attack.
Maybe because, unlike the psychotic, drooling, blood-thirsty mob here, they can understand the difference between being on the record with a public statement, and being off the record in a private conversation.
Up next ladies and gentleman, Dick Cheney says, "I'm going to fuck you hard." Of course it is in his bedroom with his wife, but we don't care about that.
Does anyone here really, honestly, believe that liberals would get away with this:
Since The Washington Post reported on June 25 that Vice President Dick Cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) "fuck yourself" during a brief argument on the Senate floor, right-wing commentators have rallied to Cheney's defense.
On June 25, Mark R. Levin -- a WABC radio talk show host and president of the conservative Landmark Legal Foundation -- filling in for regular ABC Radio host Sean Hannity on his radio program The Sean Hannity Show, addressed Senator Leahy on Cheney's behalf:
Radio host Rush Limbaugh, who was out on vacation June 25, weighed in on June 28, purporting to articulate what Cheney was thinking when he cursed at Leahy:
Limbaugh concluded:
Dick Morris, the onetime Clinton adviser turned critic, author and FOX News political analyst, appeared on FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes on June 28, where he suggested that Cheney could "get a medal for cursing" Senator Leahy:
Why isn't Terry McAuliff on every TV show ranting and raving about Cheney? Where's the DNC? Where's the DSCC? Where's the DLC? Why aren't the democrats forcing this into the press? Why aren't they capitalizing on this the way the Republican slim-machine does?
Ultimately, my point is that Ed Gillespie would be making a hayday out of thisand Democrats are inept at doing the same. Where's are the liberal watchdogs? Is the media only interesting in Republican anger when they get their panties in a bunch? Why does the media give a pass to Mr. Dick "Big Time" Cheney? Why is Cheney considered "more respected" by dropping the F-bomb, but Kerry's un-presidential?
What you can see happening in your cites is the lowering of the standard of Public debate.
I still have no problem with him letting it out accidently as we would probably all do it feeling cornered in lies
But for him to refuse to acknowledge publicly that it lowers standards, and is not a worthy form of comportment sets an example: he is a man in a precarious position of power.
Just as Clinton messed up BIG TIME by not telling the truth in a position of public power and responsibility,
Chenney has messed up (small time for sure), but his lack of La pollitesse after the fact has clearly set out a standard that the rest of the Media Conservative Goon Squad is rushing to reach down to . . . it is clear and now we see it . . .
Next thing unworthy of apologies will be fist fighting in the caffeteria \
As has been mentioned, it's not so much the original remark as the preening macho posturing that followed it. "Yep, I said it, he had it coming, sometimes a fella's gotta lay down the smack".
So, if I am understanding all this correctly, it's OK for the Vice President of the United States to tell a senator to go fuck himself (and really, think about that for a second) if any of the following hold:
The Vice President was really angry.
The senator in question had questioned the propriety of the Vice President's doings.
The senator in question was disliked by Republicans.
The senator in question had the gall to make nice.
At that point, not only is it OK but appropriate for the VP to brag about it (sorry Nick, at that point your distinction between public and private remarks no longer holds) because, apparently, the senator had it coming.
Thats it? Thats the bar? Let's all join hands and try to imagine the response to Al Gore telling Newt to fuck off. Or Hillary telling Trent to eat shit. Or Kerry calling Bush a fucktard. Or Clinton telling the entire Republican party to suck his dick. All off the record of course, just a casual comment , but what's this? When the shit hits the fan , they don't apologize but start to strut around like they just grew a pair.
The Cheney thing is already out of the mainstream media. How much you want to bet that the "liberal media" would have devoted weeks to the degenerate behavior of Gore/Hillary/Kerry/Clinton? Do you really think "he had it coming" would fly as an excuse?
As has been mentioned, it's not so much the original remark as the preening macho posturing that followed it. "Yep, I said it, he had it coming, sometimes a fella's gotta lay down the smack".
So, if I am understanding all this correctly, it's OK for the Vice President of the United States to tell a senator to go fuck himself (and really, think about that for a second) if any of the following hold:
The Vice President was really angry.
The senator in question had questioned the propriety of the Vice President's doings.
The senator in question was disliked by Republicans.
The senator in question had the gall to make nice.
At that point, not only is it OK but appropriate for the VP to brag about it (sorry Nick, at that point your distinction between public and private remarks no longer holds) because, apparently, the senator had it coming.
Thats it? Thats the bar? Let's all join hands and try to imagine the response to Al Gore telling Newt to fuck off. Or Hillary telling Trent to eat shit. Or Kerry calling Bush a fucktard. Or Clinton telling the entire Republican party to suck his dick. All off the record of course, just a casual comment , but what's this? When the shit hits the fan , they don't apologize but start to strut around like they just grew a pair.
The Cheney thing is already out of the mainstream media. How much you want to bet that the "liberal media" would have devoted weeks to the degenerate behavior of Gore/Hillary/Kerry/Clinton? Do you really think "he had it coming" would fly as an excuse?
Ding. Ding. Ding. Post of the day!
Was Cheney's "crime" all that terrible? No. Would the Republicans have monopolized on the exact same situation, ad nauseum, if it had come eminated from Al Gore? You bet your ass.
Nick and SDW's defiance on this issue, despite recent history of their party and the RNC's "feet to fire" campaign, is very telling....they'll argue anything in utter defiance of their own hypocrisy and judgment.
You two need help. Seriously. Perhaps this will help you.
Quote:
Away from public eye, Bill Clinton is a violent, profane man who wants to "kill" his enemies
By DOUG THOMPSON
Away from the public eye and the vaunted White House spin machine, President Bill Clinton is a vulgar, vengeful man who believes in "killing" people try to hurt him, those who know Clinton best say.
White House staffers, Clinton confidants and others describe Clinton as "incredibly profane" and "an angry man who wants to inflict as much pain as possible on his enemies."
Former White House senior staff member George Stephanopoulos in his book, All Too Human, writes about Clinton's mishandling of the Somalia crisis and shows the depth of the President's violent emotions:
"'We're not inflicting pain on these f##kers,' Clinton said, softly at first. 'When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers.' Then, with his face reddening, his voice rising, and his fist pounding his thigh, he leaned into Tony [Lake], as if it was his fault. 'I believe in killing people who try to hurt you. And I can't believe we're being pushed around by these two-bit pricks.'"
Those who have known Clinton since his days in Arkansas say the quote is "vintage Bill."
"Only an idiot would buy the public persona of Bill Clinton," says Walter Erricson, a retired reporter who covered Clinton in his early political days in Arkansas. "He is an incredibly profane individual. He is now and always has been an angry man who wants to inflict as much pain as possible on his enemies."
White House staff members say Clinton curses like a sailor, has temper tantrums that cause people to back away from him and uses the word "kill" often to describe what he wants to do with his enemies.
"Once, when the House was finishing up its impeachment investigation, the President slammed his fist down on the table and said 'I'd like to kill all of these sons of bitches and just be done with it!' There was a long, painful period of silence until he regained his composure. Then everybody went on like it was never said," says one former White House staffer.
Samuel Wilson, a former political worker in Clinton's second campaign for governor, remembers the candidate encountering a critic at a campaign appearance in a small town. After the critic told Clinton he was nothing but a "two-bit politician" and then walked away, Clinton turned to a campaign aide and said "write down the name of that motherfucker. When I'm back in office, he's a dead man."
"I remember his look. It was cold," Wilson said. "I don't want to think he wanted to kill him literally, but I'm sure some sort of revenge was inflicted later on."
In fact, it was fear of what Attorney General Bill Clinton could do to her business that kept nursing home operator Juanita Broaddrick from reporting Clinton's rape of her 21 years ago in a Little Rock hotel room.
"Her fears were justified," says retired reporter Erricson. "Everybody knew Bill Clinton was a man who got even, any way he could."
Helen Shannon, who worked in the Arkansas Statehouse during Clinton's second term as governor, said the governor would personally order state contracts canceled when he got angry with people.
"The word would come down from the governor's office that somebody was off limits and we would cancel their contracts and put them on a 'don't use' list. It happened a lot," she says.
Shannon, who was dating a member of Clinton's staff, says Clinton would order audits of contracts and tell the the Arkansas State Police to "turn up the heat" on somebody he didn't like.
"When Bill Clinton ran Arkansas, it was a police state," she says.
White House staff members tell similar stories. At one meeting, Clinton told staff members he wanted everyone in the Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's office audited by the IRS.
"Several people in the meeting told the President he shouldn't do that," the staff member remember. "He slammed his fist down on the table and said: 'I can do any Goddamned thing I want. I'm President of the United States. I take care of my friends and I fuck with my enemies. That's the way it is. Anybody who doesn't like it can take a hike."
The White House did not return calls for comment.
Now of course, the question is, ask me if I care about Clinton's cursing, all of this off the record. No. I didn't care when Kerry did it. I just thought it interesting that he purposefully put it on the record.
You two need help. Seriously. Perhaps this will help you.
Now of course, the question is, ask me if I care about Clinton's cursing, all of this off the record. No. I didn't care when Kerry did it. I just thought it interesting that he purposefully put it on the record.
Nick
Amazing. You found a piece of Clinton slander. It must have been a long search, given how rare that phenomena is.
But what it has to do with the Vice President of the US bragging about having told a senator to go fuck himself escapes me.
As usual you can't get over a source even on something as mundane as cursing. Some of the quotes are directly from the Stephanolopis book. I'm sure you can read it and see if they are lies.
But the point is people curse, even presidents. I didn't claim it was some big deal about Clinton wanting to "kill" people which is the aim of that piece. It just shows that people in private lifes and conversations curse. Big deal. It's my last word on it because if you can't believe that, then too bad for you.
As usual you can't get over a source even on something as mundane as cursing. Some of the quotes are directly from the Stephanolopis book. I'm sure you can read it and see if they are lies.
But the point is people curse, even presidents. I didn't claim it was some big deal about Clinton wanting to "kill" people which is the aim of that piece. It just shows that people in private lifes and conversations curse. Big deal. It's my last word on it because if you can't believe that, then too bad for you.
Nick
Of course people curse (except here in the midwest) and it is no big deal . . .
But see if you can understand this: the second most powerful man in the United States, someone who people look to as both inspiration and as a model, curses at a fellow 'Distinguished Gentleman' -(so far nothing too far out of the ordinary and no big deal)-
But then, he wears it on his sleave, and even gloats about it as if saying that the model which he set is appropriate conduct for civil discussion amidst 'gentlemen' . . . 'and just go ahead and be like me'
. . .which, as Northgate has pointed out, is exactly what's happening: the ditto-head crowd are copping his pose . . . like the puppets we all knew they were . . .
Civil discourse slips and gets becomes uncivil, and that slippage now carries the approval of the Vice President
and, I must repeat: if Cheney were on these boards, then Fellowship would have had a stern word for him . . . and banned him good . . . or boxed an ear at least.
Comments
Originally posted by midwinter
I believe that the rules against profanity only apply when the Senate is in session.
Yes, I know, but Nick said he didn't think profanity on the Senate floor was against the spirit of that rule. I think he's lying.
He should at least carry the pretense of caring about comporting oneself with dignity in Public . . . after all he isn't just some congressman, or machaninc he is the VP.
Originally posted by trumptman
Sammi,
Great post. So we don't get accused of trying to sidetrack the Cheney telling someone to fuck off thread, perhaps you could post it as a seperate topic. I know I've already been charged with that once simply by replying to others like yourself. I know you don't want to be part of the great conservative conspiracy to silence all those who wish to denounce people who curse. So please start a different thread.
Nick
Apologies for going way offtopic. but thanks anyway.
Back on topic: Cheney swearing? Although I dislike his politics intensely, so what if he swears, blowing off steam? Who doesn't?I do, we all do. when we get beyond irritation. Cheney (or anyone)_ cussing someone out is total trivia, a storm in a teacup, absolutely of no importance to anything.
Originally posted by bunge
Yes, I know, but Nick said he didn't think profanity on the Senate floor was against the spirit of that rule. I think he's lying.
You are classic.
Nick
Hehe found another. LOL I love that About Political Cartoons section!!!!
Originally posted by Aquatic
Well it is ironic Nick you have to admit, that all these conservatives get hot and bothered by a nipple (Janet Jackson) or pay thousands to cover Lady Justice's boob (hey maybe they're gay!), and get all mock infuriated by Kerry saying fuck, but let Dick get away with this. Here you go.
It's only ironic in the context that a private conversation would make national news if it is a conservative.
Howard Stern on syndicated radio and John Kerry in Rolling Stone are hardly private conversations.
Nick
Does anyone here really, honestly, believe that liberals would get away with this:
Since The Washington Post reported on June 25 that Vice President Dick Cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) "fuck yourself" during a brief argument on the Senate floor, right-wing commentators have rallied to Cheney's defense.
On June 25, Mark R. Levin -- a WABC radio talk show host and president of the conservative Landmark Legal Foundation -- filling in for regular ABC Radio host Sean Hannity on his radio program The Sean Hannity Show, addressed Senator Leahy on Cheney's behalf:
LEVIN: By the way, Senator Leahy out there, "F-you."
Radio host Rush Limbaugh, who was out on vacation June 25, weighed in on June 28, purporting to articulate what Cheney was thinking when he cursed at Leahy:
LIMBAUGH: "You expect me to come over here and act like you're my friend after all this rotgut garbage you're saying about me? F-you."
LIMBAUGH: "F-you. You aren't my friend; I don't want you in my company. And I'm not going to smile when I'm around you, because you don't deserve my friendship. You haven't earned my friendship. You are my enemy. And I'm not going to come here and put on a show, phony-baloney show that says I like you, and that we are convivial, and that are we are colleagues, and all we do is disagree in the daytime, but at night we go out and have a beer. F-you. I don't want to have a beer with you. I don't want to be anywhere near you. I don't like you. You do not deserve my friendship, and don't act like we're friends here."
Limbaugh concluded:
LIMBAUGH: [A]ll he [Cheney] did, was suggest a certain sexual practice that Senator Leahy try on himself.
Dick Morris, the onetime Clinton adviser turned critic, author and FOX News political analyst, appeared on FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes on June 28, where he suggested that Cheney could "get a medal for cursing" Senator Leahy:
MORRIS: But you know, you've got to realize, there's a special exemption in the United States Senate for cursing at Patrick Leahy. He's the most irascible member of the Senate. ...You can get a medal for cursing him.
From Media Matters
Why isn't Terry McAuliff on every TV show ranting and raving about Cheney? Where's the DNC? Where's the DSCC? Where's the DLC? Why aren't the democrats forcing this into the press? Why aren't they capitalizing on this the way the Republican slim-machine does?
Ultimately, my point is that Ed Gillespie would be making a hayday out of thisand Democrats are inept at doing the same. Where's are the liberal watchdogs? Is the media only interesting in Republican anger when they get their panties in a bunch? Why does the media give a pass to Mr. Dick "Big Time" Cheney? Why is Cheney considered "more respected" by dropping the F-bomb, but Kerry's un-presidential?
Originally posted by Northgate
The Hypocrisy is Astounding!
Why does the media give a pass to Mr. Dick "Big Time" Cheney? Why is Cheney considered "more respected" by dropping the F-bomb, but Kerry's un-presidential?
Maybe because, unlike the psychotic, drooling, blood-thirsty mob here, they can understand the difference between being on the record with a public statement, and being off the record in a private conversation.
Up next ladies and gentleman, Dick Cheney says, "I'm going to fuck you hard." Of course it is in his bedroom with his wife, but we don't care about that.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
Up next ladies and gentleman, Dick Cheney says, "I'm going to fuck you hard." Of course it is in his bedroom with his wife, but we don't care about that.
Nick
are you kidding? he'd have a fucking heart attack.
Originally posted by Wrong Robot
are you kidding? he'd have a fucking heart attack.
Naw, he would have to hit the special John Holmes option on his pace-maker.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
Maybe because, unlike the psychotic, drooling, blood-thirsty mob here, they can understand the difference between being on the record with a public statement, and being off the record in a private conversation.
Up next ladies and gentleman, Dick Cheney says, "I'm going to fuck you hard." Of course it is in his bedroom with his wife, but we don't care about that.
Nick
Nice try.
Originally posted by Northgate
The Hypocrisy is Astounding!
Does anyone here really, honestly, believe that liberals would get away with this:
Since The Washington Post reported on June 25 that Vice President Dick Cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) "fuck yourself" during a brief argument on the Senate floor, right-wing commentators have rallied to Cheney's defense.
On June 25, Mark R. Levin -- a WABC radio talk show host and president of the conservative Landmark Legal Foundation -- filling in for regular ABC Radio host Sean Hannity on his radio program The Sean Hannity Show, addressed Senator Leahy on Cheney's behalf:
Radio host Rush Limbaugh, who was out on vacation June 25, weighed in on June 28, purporting to articulate what Cheney was thinking when he cursed at Leahy:
Limbaugh concluded:
Dick Morris, the onetime Clinton adviser turned critic, author and FOX News political analyst, appeared on FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes on June 28, where he suggested that Cheney could "get a medal for cursing" Senator Leahy:
From Media Matters
Why isn't Terry McAuliff on every TV show ranting and raving about Cheney? Where's the DNC? Where's the DSCC? Where's the DLC? Why aren't the democrats forcing this into the press? Why aren't they capitalizing on this the way the Republican slim-machine does?
Ultimately, my point is that Ed Gillespie would be making a hayday out of thisand Democrats are inept at doing the same. Where's are the liberal watchdogs? Is the media only interesting in Republican anger when they get their panties in a bunch? Why does the media give a pass to Mr. Dick "Big Time" Cheney? Why is Cheney considered "more respected" by dropping the F-bomb, but Kerry's un-presidential?
What you can see happening in your cites is the lowering of the standard of Public debate.
I still have no problem with him letting it out accidently as we would probably all do it feeling cornered in lies
But for him to refuse to acknowledge publicly that it lowers standards, and is not a worthy form of comportment sets an example: he is a man in a precarious position of power.
Just as Clinton messed up BIG TIME by not telling the truth in a position of public power and responsibility,
Chenney has messed up (small time for sure), but his lack of La pollitesse after the fact has clearly set out a standard that the rest of the Media Conservative Goon Squad is rushing to reach down to . . . it is clear and now we see it . . .
Next thing unworthy of apologies will be fist fighting in the caffeteria
So, if I am understanding all this correctly, it's OK for the Vice President of the United States to tell a senator to go fuck himself (and really, think about that for a second) if any of the following hold:
The Vice President was really angry.
The senator in question had questioned the propriety of the Vice President's doings.
The senator in question was disliked by Republicans.
The senator in question had the gall to make nice.
At that point, not only is it OK but appropriate for the VP to brag about it (sorry Nick, at that point your distinction between public and private remarks no longer holds) because, apparently, the senator had it coming.
Thats it? Thats the bar? Let's all join hands and try to imagine the response to Al Gore telling Newt to fuck off. Or Hillary telling Trent to eat shit. Or Kerry calling Bush a fucktard. Or Clinton telling the entire Republican party to suck his dick. All off the record of course, just a casual comment , but what's this? When the shit hits the fan , they don't apologize but start to strut around like they just grew a pair.
The Cheney thing is already out of the mainstream media. How much you want to bet that the "liberal media" would have devoted weeks to the degenerate behavior of Gore/Hillary/Kerry/Clinton? Do you really think "he had it coming" would fly as an excuse?
Originally posted by addabox
As has been mentioned, it's not so much the original remark as the preening macho posturing that followed it. "Yep, I said it, he had it coming, sometimes a fella's gotta lay down the smack".
So, if I am understanding all this correctly, it's OK for the Vice President of the United States to tell a senator to go fuck himself (and really, think about that for a second) if any of the following hold:
The Vice President was really angry.
The senator in question had questioned the propriety of the Vice President's doings.
The senator in question was disliked by Republicans.
The senator in question had the gall to make nice.
At that point, not only is it OK but appropriate for the VP to brag about it (sorry Nick, at that point your distinction between public and private remarks no longer holds) because, apparently, the senator had it coming.
Thats it? Thats the bar? Let's all join hands and try to imagine the response to Al Gore telling Newt to fuck off. Or Hillary telling Trent to eat shit. Or Kerry calling Bush a fucktard. Or Clinton telling the entire Republican party to suck his dick. All off the record of course, just a casual comment , but what's this? When the shit hits the fan , they don't apologize but start to strut around like they just grew a pair.
The Cheney thing is already out of the mainstream media. How much you want to bet that the "liberal media" would have devoted weeks to the degenerate behavior of Gore/Hillary/Kerry/Clinton? Do you really think "he had it coming" would fly as an excuse?
Ding. Ding. Ding. Post of the day!
Was Cheney's "crime" all that terrible? No. Would the Republicans have monopolized on the exact same situation, ad nauseum, if it had come eminated from Al Gore? You bet your ass.
Nick and SDW's defiance on this issue, despite recent history of their party and the RNC's "feet to fire" campaign, is very telling....they'll argue anything in utter defiance of their own hypocrisy and judgment.
Away from public eye, Bill Clinton is a violent, profane man who wants to "kill" his enemies
By DOUG THOMPSON
Away from the public eye and the vaunted White House spin machine, President Bill Clinton is a vulgar, vengeful man who believes in "killing" people try to hurt him, those who know Clinton best say.
White House staffers, Clinton confidants and others describe Clinton as "incredibly profane" and "an angry man who wants to inflict as much pain as possible on his enemies."
Former White House senior staff member George Stephanopoulos in his book, All Too Human, writes about Clinton's mishandling of the Somalia crisis and shows the depth of the President's violent emotions:
"'We're not inflicting pain on these f##kers,' Clinton said, softly at first. 'When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers.' Then, with his face reddening, his voice rising, and his fist pounding his thigh, he leaned into Tony [Lake], as if it was his fault. 'I believe in killing people who try to hurt you. And I can't believe we're being pushed around by these two-bit pricks.'"
Those who have known Clinton since his days in Arkansas say the quote is "vintage Bill."
"Only an idiot would buy the public persona of Bill Clinton," says Walter Erricson, a retired reporter who covered Clinton in his early political days in Arkansas. "He is an incredibly profane individual. He is now and always has been an angry man who wants to inflict as much pain as possible on his enemies."
White House staff members say Clinton curses like a sailor, has temper tantrums that cause people to back away from him and uses the word "kill" often to describe what he wants to do with his enemies.
"Once, when the House was finishing up its impeachment investigation, the President slammed his fist down on the table and said 'I'd like to kill all of these sons of bitches and just be done with it!' There was a long, painful period of silence until he regained his composure. Then everybody went on like it was never said," says one former White House staffer.
Samuel Wilson, a former political worker in Clinton's second campaign for governor, remembers the candidate encountering a critic at a campaign appearance in a small town. After the critic told Clinton he was nothing but a "two-bit politician" and then walked away, Clinton turned to a campaign aide and said "write down the name of that motherfucker. When I'm back in office, he's a dead man."
"I remember his look. It was cold," Wilson said. "I don't want to think he wanted to kill him literally, but I'm sure some sort of revenge was inflicted later on."
In fact, it was fear of what Attorney General Bill Clinton could do to her business that kept nursing home operator Juanita Broaddrick from reporting Clinton's rape of her 21 years ago in a Little Rock hotel room.
"Her fears were justified," says retired reporter Erricson. "Everybody knew Bill Clinton was a man who got even, any way he could."
Helen Shannon, who worked in the Arkansas Statehouse during Clinton's second term as governor, said the governor would personally order state contracts canceled when he got angry with people.
"The word would come down from the governor's office that somebody was off limits and we would cancel their contracts and put them on a 'don't use' list. It happened a lot," she says.
Shannon, who was dating a member of Clinton's staff, says Clinton would order audits of contracts and tell the the Arkansas State Police to "turn up the heat" on somebody he didn't like.
"When Bill Clinton ran Arkansas, it was a police state," she says.
White House staff members tell similar stories. At one meeting, Clinton told staff members he wanted everyone in the Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's office audited by the IRS.
"Several people in the meeting told the President he shouldn't do that," the staff member remember. "He slammed his fist down on the table and said: 'I can do any Goddamned thing I want. I'm President of the United States. I take care of my friends and I fuck with my enemies. That's the way it is. Anybody who doesn't like it can take a hike."
The White House did not return calls for comment.
Now of course, the question is, ask me if I care about Clinton's cursing, all of this off the record. No. I didn't care when Kerry did it. I just thought it interesting that he purposefully put it on the record.
Nick
That is the lowest People Magazine style tripe except it for partisans
Originally posted by trumptman
You two need help. Seriously. Perhaps this will help you.
Now of course, the question is, ask me if I care about Clinton's cursing, all of this off the record. No. I didn't care when Kerry did it. I just thought it interesting that he purposefully put it on the record.
Nick
Amazing. You found a piece of Clinton slander. It must have been a long search, given how rare that phenomena is.
But what it has to do with the Vice President of the US bragging about having told a senator to go fuck himself escapes me.
But the point is people curse, even presidents. I didn't claim it was some big deal about Clinton wanting to "kill" people which is the aim of that piece. It just shows that people in private lifes and conversations curse. Big deal. It's my last word on it because if you can't believe that, then too bad for you.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
As usual you can't get over a source even on something as mundane as cursing. Some of the quotes are directly from the Stephanolopis book. I'm sure you can read it and see if they are lies.
But the point is people curse, even presidents. I didn't claim it was some big deal about Clinton wanting to "kill" people which is the aim of that piece. It just shows that people in private lifes and conversations curse. Big deal. It's my last word on it because if you can't believe that, then too bad for you.
Nick
Of course people curse (except here in the midwest) and it is no big deal . . .
But see if you can understand this: the second most powerful man in the United States, someone who people look to as both inspiration and as a model, curses at a fellow 'Distinguished Gentleman' -(so far nothing too far out of the ordinary and no big deal)-
But then, he wears it on his sleave, and even gloats about it as if saying that the model which he set is appropriate conduct for civil discussion amidst 'gentlemen' . . . 'and just go ahead and be like me'
. . .which, as Northgate has pointed out, is exactly what's happening: the ditto-head crowd are copping his pose . . . like the puppets we all knew they were . . .
Civil discourse slips and gets becomes uncivil, and that slippage now carries the approval of the Vice President
and, I must repeat: if Cheney were on these boards, then Fellowship would have had a stern word for him . . . and banned him good . . . or boxed an ear at least.