also, because of mhz gap, let us fall back to intel xoen p3 processor at similar speed range. so can any one provide a list to compare a dual 1.25 ghz new mac tower with a dual 1.5 ghz intel xoen tower?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, because (well, according to Intel's website at least) there simply is no 1.5GHz P3 Xeon.
Actually, unless their website is wrong, the P3 Xeon only reached 1GHz, and the fastest P3 core was the server tualatin at 1.4GHz.
Everything beyond that clock rate is based on the P4 core.
128Mb ASUS V8460 Ge-Force 4 Ultra Deluxe + TV Out, Video In + 3D Glasses
120Gb Western Digital (WD1200JB) ATA-100 (7200rpm, 8MB Cache, 8.5ms) Quiet Drive Technology
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Player SB1394 OEM
Pioneer DVR 104 DVDR/CDRW (OEM)
Chieftec Scorpio case DX-01-YL-D 340W PFC Midi Case
_______________________________________
Total £1,790.94 (including 17.5% VAT tax)
Around $2,761 in US money
This is the best of the best your money will get you today ! its one of the fastest systems you can and it will really run circles around the top of the range PM.
taken from applestore UK:
Dual 1.25-GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 cache
& 2MB L3 cache/processor
167Mhz System Bus
512MB PC2700 DDR RAM
120GB Ultra ATA drive
DVD-R/CD-RW drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
56K internal modem
__________________________________________
Total £2,699.00 (including 17.5% VAT tax)
Around $4,164 in US money
People ! I love Apple, and OS X is the best thing since sliced bread - It really is 10000000 times better then any other OS out there - don't misunderstand me please, but lets face it Apple have some serious Hardware problems on their hands here !
I am amazed by you guys, here I go posting a simple proof of how far Apple is lagging behind and everyone ignores it <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
That PC I custom built there has much faster dual AMDs - faster bus, much better graphix (top of the range Nvidia Ti), a SuperDrive and twice as much RAM for almost $1500 less ........
I am amazed by you guys, here I go posting a simple proof of how far Apple is lagging behind and everyone ignores it <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
You could also go to eBay and find an old Apple, or get one used somewhere else, or whatever. I think the idea is to compare brand name computers because the people building their own obviously aren't looking to get a Mac.
Why not compare the edu price? The DVD-R drive dual 1.25 is only around $3100 USD if you don't add RAM. If you're smart enough to understand what a custom dual Athlon is, you're smart enough to at least buy third party ram.
CD ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Drives: DVD+RW+R Combo Drive DVRWRX [313-1353]
Microsoft Office Bundled Software: Option Not Available on this System NOMSBE [461-2963]
Other Options: 1394 Controller Card 1394 [320-5440]
Hardware Support Services: 3Yr Same Day 4Hr Response Parts + Onsite Labor (M-F 8am-6pm) W3Y5X10 [900-2710] [900-2712]
Installation Services: No Installation NOINSTL [900-9987]
Mail-In Rebate Offer: $250 Mail In Rebate (Free Memory Upgrade Offer not available) 250RBT [460-5452]
Price (including Mail-in rebate): 2,778$
The Power Mac:
Dual 1 GHz G4, 2 x 256K L2, 2 x 1 MB L3 @ 500 MHz
512 MB RAM (1 DIMM)
Radeon 9000 Pro 64 MB ADC/DVI (dual monitor capable)
80 GB ATA-100 HD (7200 rpm)
Mac OS X 10.2, Mac OS 9.2
3 years AppleCare
No modem
No monitor
Price: 2,919$
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The problems I see are:
first comparing a dual proc to single proc
dual channel ecc rdram vs the choked DDR333
the quadro isn't comparable to the radeon9000 and costs 350 more according to pricewatch
the 4hour response warranty to apples onsite if within 50 miles
Right now, Dell is a poor competitor for dual processor workstations because they're 'intel only' and the p4 isn't smp capable, so they have a few dual p3 servers and a few dual p4 xeons. Even a dual athlon from ALIENWARE is within $100 of that dell
This discussion is fvcking pointless! It has nothing to with a PowerMac vs. a D3ll. It could, but if it were that easy, and the d3ll was that much cheaper I would own one. The difference is in the operating system.
One is so superior to the other that the premium that we pay on the hardware that you see does not exist to us for we are blinded by the excelence of the Macintosh OS.
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also, because of mhz gap, let us fall back to intel xoen p3 processor at similar speed range. so can any one provide a list to compare a dual 1.25 ghz new mac tower with a dual 1.5 ghz intel xoen tower?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, because (well, according to Intel's website at least) there simply is no 1.5GHz P3 Xeon.
Actually, unless their website is wrong, the P3 Xeon only reached 1GHz, and the fastest P3 core was the server tualatin at 1.4GHz.
Everything beyond that clock rate is based on the P4 core.
Bye,
RazzFazz
<strong>Or you can try this
Just for fun I went into the <a href="http://www.scan.co.uk"; target="_blank">www.scan.co.uk</a> shop and built myself this system:
Windows XP Pro (OEM)
MicroSoft Wireless Desktop Keyboard & Mouse
2 x 512Mb PC2700 DDR Memory (Major) (total 1024 MB DDR 2700 RAM)
Tyan Tiger MP-X Dual S2440N-4M Athlon with 10/100 Lan USB2 (2466N)-4
2 x AMD Athlon MP 2100+ (Multi Processor)(1.80GHz) Palomino Core 2
128Mb ASUS V8460 Ge-Force 4 Ultra Deluxe + TV Out, Video In + 3D Glasses
120Gb Western Digital (WD1200JB) ATA-100 (7200rpm, 8MB Cache, 8.5ms) Quiet Drive Technology
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Player SB1394 OEM
Pioneer DVR 104 DVDR/CDRW (OEM)
Chieftec Scorpio case DX-01-YL-D 340W PFC Midi Case
_______________________________________
Total £1,790.94 (including 17.5% VAT tax)
Around $2,761 in US money
This is the best of the best your money will get you today ! its one of the fastest systems you can and it will really run circles around the top of the range PM.
taken from applestore UK:
Dual 1.25-GHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 cache
& 2MB L3 cache/processor
167Mhz System Bus
512MB PC2700 DDR RAM
120GB Ultra ATA drive
DVD-R/CD-RW drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
56K internal modem
__________________________________________
Total £2,699.00 (including 17.5% VAT tax)
Around $4,164 in US money
People ! I love Apple, and OS X is the best thing since sliced bread - It really is 10000000 times better then any other OS out there - don't misunderstand me please, but lets face it Apple have some serious Hardware problems on their hands here !
[ 08-14-2002: Message edited by: rashumon ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am amazed by you guys, here I go posting a simple proof of how far Apple is lagging behind and everyone ignores it <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
That PC I custom built there has much faster dual AMDs - faster bus, much better graphix (top of the range Nvidia Ti), a SuperDrive and twice as much RAM for almost $1500 less ........
Hello ? is there anybody out there ?
[EDIT] oh and it has USB2 as well
[ 08-14-2002: Message edited by: rashumon ]</p>
<strong>
I am amazed by you guys, here I go posting a simple proof of how far Apple is lagging behind and everyone ignores it <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
You could also go to eBay and find an old Apple, or get one used somewhere else, or whatever. I think the idea is to compare brand name computers because the people building their own obviously aren't looking to get a Mac.
Why not compare the edu price? The DVD-R drive dual 1.25 is only around $3100 USD if you don't add RAM. If you're smart enough to understand what a custom dual Athlon is, you're smart enough to at least buy third party ram.
<strong>
No, because (well, according to Intel's website at least) there simply is no 1.5GHz P3 Xeon.
Actually, unless their website is wrong, the P3 Xeon only reached 1GHz, and the fastest P3 core was the server tualatin at 1.4GHz.
Everything beyond that clock rate is based on the P4 core.
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
i don't know exactly the state of xeon p3. if the top line is 1ghz, then do a comparision between a dual p3 xeon with dual 1 ghz g4.
Dell Precision? Workstation 340 Minitower: Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor, 2.40GHz, 512K / 533 Front Side Bus 34T24 [220-9508]
Memory: 512MB PC800 ECC RDRAM® (2 RIMMS?) 512E42 [311-2402]
Keyboard: Enhanced Performance, USB, for Windows® XP (7 Hot Keys) UXP [310-1347]
Monitor: No Monitor Option N [320-3316]
Graphics Card: nVidia, Quadro4 700XGL, 64MB, VGA/DVI (dual monitor capable) 700XGL [320-0278]
Hard Drive: 80GB ATA-100 IDE, 1 inch (7200 rpm) 80I72 [340-3478]
Floppy Drive: 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive 3 [340-3736]
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional WXP [420-1533]
Mouse: Dell, PS/2 (2-button, no scroll) WS [310-8300]
Additional Network Card: Intel PRO/1000 XT, Gigabit PCI NIC GBE [430-0319]
CD ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Drives: DVD+RW+R Combo Drive DVRWRX [313-1353]
Microsoft Office Bundled Software: Option Not Available on this System NOMSBE [461-2963]
Other Options: 1394 Controller Card 1394 [320-5440]
Hardware Support Services: 3Yr Same Day 4Hr Response Parts + Onsite Labor (M-F 8am-6pm) W3Y5X10 [900-2710] [900-2712]
Installation Services: No Installation NOINSTL [900-9987]
Mail-In Rebate Offer: $250 Mail In Rebate (Free Memory Upgrade Offer not available) 250RBT [460-5452]
Price (including Mail-in rebate): 2,778$
The Power Mac:
Dual 1 GHz G4, 2 x 256K L2, 2 x 1 MB L3 @ 500 MHz
512 MB RAM (1 DIMM)
Radeon 9000 Pro 64 MB ADC/DVI (dual monitor capable)
80 GB ATA-100 HD (7200 rpm)
Mac OS X 10.2, Mac OS 9.2
3 years AppleCare
No modem
No monitor
Price: 2,919$
<hr></blockquote>
The problems I see are:
first comparing a dual proc to single proc
dual channel ecc rdram vs the choked DDR333
the quadro isn't comparable to the radeon9000 and costs 350 more according to pricewatch
the 4hour response warranty to apples onsite if within 50 miles
Right now, Dell is a poor competitor for dual processor workstations because they're 'intel only' and the p4 isn't smp capable, so they have a few dual p3 servers and a few dual p4 xeons. Even a dual athlon from ALIENWARE is within $100 of that dell
what funny kind of discussion.
as a real apple-fan is my message:
an apple a day, keeps windows away.
that´s it.
One is so superior to the other that the premium that we pay on the hardware that you see does not exist to us for we are blinded by the excelence of the Macintosh OS.
Any Questions?