Just to be contrarian: I've seen it, and my reaction was "oh, it looks good, but whatever."
TV, by and large, does nothing for me. The same crap in hi-def does nothing for me, takes up more space, costs more, has hilarious compression and streaming artifacts (in the case of the local digital cable provider, who make sports games look like webcasts of last-generation console sports games) and comes with evil, proprietary DRM (especially in the case of HD-DVD, which has WMA as an optional format) that will make FairPlay look like Ogg Vorbis.
Sorry, no sale.
I guess to each his own. I watch a ton of sports on TV, and HD is just amazing! When I have to catch a game in SD I almost don't want to watch it, it just looks god awful. After seeing HD, watching SD is just bleh. I also love 24 (a show on Fox), and just the crispness of it in HD vs the washed out look of SD is amazing. I don't really see a whole lot of artifacting (some primetime, but never sports), but I bet it will just get better with time, as the cable/satellite providers move to H.264 (Directv already is getting ready to), and HD becomes even more mainstream.
But even if you hate the crap that is TV, movies are a whole other ball game. If you buy DVDs now, high def DVDs will be a god send. No worries of streaming artifacts. And to be fair, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both come with VC-1 (WMV)
And to be fair, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both come with VC-1 (WMV)
Irrespective of the codec used, both formats come with the DRM crap. Bottom line is, if you get HDCP enabled equipment, forget about *all* your fair use rights, you're at the content producers' mercy and the content only goes where they allow it. Just buying the enabled equipment props up their system with licence fees. The only thing, I repeat, the only thing HDCP can possibly result in is that the good, paying customers get shafted. You want to support a business model like that?
The very worst combination to buy is HDCP enabled sources and non enabled screens, because they can remotely shut down your viewing just by turning HDCP on.
I think at the start, when combo players will be needed, they will be way too expensive. The drives will need 3 optical pickups (DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray). If a single unit (either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD) starts around $1000, a combo unit will probably be $1500+. I am looking to spend around $5-600 tops.
All of the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD decks will play DVDs so they will already have two optical pickups, one red and one blue. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are very similar so perhaps they will add something to change the wavelength of the blue laser as opposed to using an entirely separate third pickup. Regardless I think all of these players will be very expensive when first introduced.
All of the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD decks will play DVDs so they will already have two optical pickups, one red and one blue. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are very similar so perhaps they will add something to change the wavelength of the blue laser as opposed to using an entirely separate third pickup. Regardless I think all of these players will be very expensive when first introduced.
No doubt. HD-DVD players are expected to be around $999. I expect Blu-Ray to be similar. I think by Xmas 2006 we'll be down to $600 per player and combo units will start to appear at $999.
By Xmas 2007 Combi units will be $700 and HD-DVD/BR Players will be $299
Dude your just plain F*ing wrong. What's in the press is garabage. I work at paramount in the home entertainment group. We chose blu-ray. HD-DVD choice was old.
I'll be anyone here $500 that blu-ray will be the standard. Any takers? Working in hollywood where I do I know what every studio is GOING to do, and what every studio told the media and HD-DVD group they were going to do. You'll see.
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Originally posted by yoda_four
Since when did Paramount switch to Blu-Ray? Article/PR please....
As I read, Paramount chose HD-DVD, and have already announced titles for release: Link
EDIT: Dreamworks is under a DVD deal with Universal, so, considering Uni is still with HD-DVD, so is DreamWorks.
AND, Fox has yet to choose either format. All we know is that they got a spot on the BR commitee, and then even said that just because they're on the commitee doesn't mean they chose a format. They are just looking more deeply into the format.
Disney, as was already said, is the only other studio besides Sony to choose the format of Blu-Ray. That contract is non-exclusive so at any time they can switch to HD-DVD, or even start releasing Bambi under VHS, DVD, BR, and HD-DVD
Dude your just plain F*ing wrong. What's in the press is garabage. I work at paramount in the home entertainment group. We chose blu-ray. HD-DVD choice was old.
I'll bet anyone here $500 that blu-ray will be the standard. Any takers? Working in hollywood where I do I know what every studio is GOING to do, and what every studio told the media and HD-DVD group they were going to do. You'll see.
When I have to catch a game in SD I almost don't want to watch it, it just looks god awful.
I stopped watching televised sports much after they started getting funny with the cameras. I'll catch the occasional game, and some sports are better than others (and some channels are better than others), but seeing a pro basketball game live last year was an eye-opener. I could actually see the whole game. That made me realize why I didn't care that much about the telecasts.
At this point, I don't even own a TV, and from what I can see (the town is full of 'em) I don't feel that I'm missing much.
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But even if you hate the crap that is TV, movies are a whole other ball game. If you buy DVDs now, high def DVDs will be a god send. No worries of streaming artifacts. And to be fair, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both come with VC-1 (WMV)
I don't buy DVDs now, because of the DRM. HD-DVD will get worse DRM, so I'll be even less likely to buy them.
I'll be anyone here $500 that blu-ray will be the standard. Any takers? Working in hollywood where I do I know what every studio is GOING to do, and what every studio told the media and HD-DVD group they were going to do. You'll see
Why is Hollywood going with Blu-Ray? Do they like the extra size that Blu-Ray offers? I don't care really either way I'll end up grabbing both players if I need to. HDTV is THAT important to me.
I've found DVD DRM to be relatively non-intrusive, though I realize it can be more of a pain for those copying, that nut's been cracked too. The only real pain in the butt is regional coding.
However, might there be some other DRM weirdness akin to the drive sabotaging CD's of two years back? I haven't been paying attention, what's up?
I've found DVD DRM to be relatively non-intrusive, though I realize it can be more of a pain for those copying, that nut's been cracked too. The only real pain in the butt is regional coding.
However, might there be some other DRM weirdness akin to the drive sabotaging CD's of two years back? I haven't been paying attention, what's up?
The big problem is going to be with legitimate HDTV recording. The broadcast flags become mandatory July 1st and I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg. It's not going to be your friendly Apple style DRM either. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's all over the place.
I stopped watching televised sports much after they started getting funny with the cameras. I'll catch the occasional game, and some sports are better than others (and some channels are better than others), but seeing a pro basketball game live last year was an eye-opener. I could actually see the whole game. That made me realize why I didn't care that much about the telecasts.
Ya, I don't have the money to go to that many live sporting events (I am lucky if I get to one every other year). I wish I could go more often, as I love football, but it is a lot cheaper to catch the game on TV, and getting it in HD is a HUGE plus. Also if you are a fan of a team outside of your local area, going to games would be next to impossible for any reasonable amount of money. Catching the game in HD is the next best thing.
I understand this isn't for everyone, and that if you hate TV now, HD isn't going to radically alter your mind. However, even for someone who doesn't use or own a TV, I would hope you would understand how HD is an advantage over what exists today in just image quality alone. There have been a few people on these boards that sounds as if the move to either next gen DVD format is a dumb idea, and a wrong move period. I just don't see how anyone in their mind could argue that (not that I am saying you are Amorph).
Many of you have probably noticed that I have been conspicuously quiet and restrained on the subject of high definition DVD to this point. This has nothing to do with disinterest, of course, but more with the fact that I just wanted to see how things develop before building an opinion and making it public.
Recently I visited the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas in hopes to find out some more hard facts and up-to-date details about the two proposed formats, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. After walking the floor, seeing many of the presentations I found one of my concerns sadly reinforced. I was utterly unimpressed with HD-DVD. Seriously! You can tell from its positioning, the way it?s being bullishly promoted, etc. that HD-DVD is a format that is created to fill an artificially created demand that does not exist. Worst of all however, it looks pretty poor.
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Sure, at first you look at these high definition video images and you are vowed because of their clarity and resolution. If you look a bit closer however, the images on display were riddled with compression and mastering artifacts that would make you balk if this were a DVD. And that was for the big bang promotions at CES, the single biggest show on the planet to promote these things. If that is the best they can do, I am sorry to say ?Thank you, but no, thank you!?
He continues in this article to speak highly of Blu-Ray. I'd love to hear other thoughts about the CES 2005 HD-DVD displays.
There?s also a lot of talk about the manufacturing compatibility of HD-DVD with existing replication equipment, an issue especially the studios are made to believe to be interested in. However there is also a bit of lapse in logic here. What good is this if you?ll need two or three discs to hold the same material that a single Blu-Ray disc could hold? Your cost benefit goes right out the door. Again, it is a short-sighted argument that doesn?t necessarily hold true in practice. If you?ve followed DVD as closely as I have over the past 8 years, you know that a lot of things have changed in that period of time, even in the replication field. That change won?t stop. The digital age is moving fast and it will require replicators to replace and/or upgrade their equipment one way or another, come HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. Of course the corporate suits running the studios these days don?t necessarily understand that, all they see is the superficially saved buck here or there presented to them in a nice Excel spreadsheet.
Ya, I don't have the money to go to that many live sporting events (I am lucky if I get to one every other year).
That's about my rate as well.
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I would hope you would understand how HD is an advantage over what exists today in just image quality alone. There have been a few people on these boards that sounds as if the move to either next gen DVD format is a dumb idea, and a wrong move period. I just don't see how anyone in their mind could argue that (not that I am saying you are Amorph).
Well, you can argue it based on what they actually deliver, at what cost. The early hype around CDs made them sound like no-brainers, too.
Compression artifacts? Broadcast and disc DRM that wipes out any kind of time-shifting or fair use copying? Sorry, no sale, and I don't care how pretty the still images are.
I'm looking at the big picture. Sure, HD could be a great thing. The potential is wide open. But if the reality is mediocre content served in a proprietary MS format riddled with compression artifacts and locked down to the point where the TV is the absolute, final receptacle for the content, then it's just not worth it.
Put another way, this is not a time to champion the next generation technology, whatever that may prove to be. Now is a time to argue for and insist on the right next generation technology. Sad to say, I can see a great many ways in which a few powerful people could really make a hash of it.
Ok, now there is a total of 100+ companies supporting Blu-Ray. Hmm, want to know who some of them are you say, ok:
Currently, the Blu-ray Disc Association's Board of Directors consists of: Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company; Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; and Walt Disney Pictures and Television.
Contributors: AudioDev AB, Broadcom Corp., Canon Inc., CMC Magnetics Corporation, Coding Technologies GmbH, CyberLink Corp., DaTARIUS Technologies GmbH, Deluxe Media Services Inc., Digital Theater Systems Inc., Dolby Laboratories Inc., Electronic Arts Inc., Fuji Photo Film Co., Ltd., Kenwood Corporation, LITE-ON IT Corporation, MediaTek Inc., Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co., Ltd., Moser Baer India Limited, MX Entertainment, Nero, Optodisc Technology Corporation, Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd., Ricoh Co., Ltd., ShibaSoku Co. Ltd., Sigma Designs Inc., Sonic Solutions, Sonopress LLC, ST Microelectronics, Sun Microsystems, Inc., Ulead Systems Inc., Victor Company of Japan, Ltd., Visionare Corporation and ZOOtech Ltd among others.
General Members: Almedio Inc., Alpine Electronics Inc., AMC Co. Ltd., ArcSoft Inc., Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd., ATI Technologies Inc., Bandai VisualCo., Ltd., BenQ Corp., Ciba Specialty Chemicals Inc., D&M holdings, Inc., Daewoo Electronics Corporation, Elpida Memory, Inc., ESS Technology Inc., Expert Magnetics Corp., Funai Electric Co., Ltd., Imation Corp, Infomedia Inc., Intersil Corporation, InterVideo Inc., Konica Minolta Opto Inc., Lead Data Inc., Leader Electronics Corp, LINTEC Corporation, Memorex Products Inc., Mitsui Chemicals Inc., Mitsumi Electric Co., Ltd., Nan Ya Plastics Corp., NEXAPM Systems Technology Inc., NVIDIA Corp., Ono Sokki Co., Ltd., Opt Corporation, Ritek Corporation, SDI Media USA, Shinano Kenshi Co. Ltd., Sony BMG Entertainment, STEAG ETA-OPTIK GmbH, Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd., TEAC Corporation, Teijin Chemicals Ltd., Toho Company, Ltd., Toppan Printing Co., TOPTICA Photonics AG, Ltd., Unaxis Balzer AG, Yamaha Corp. and Yokogawa Electric Corporation among others.
Wow, quite a list heh. My favorite part of the article, was this quote:
"When a new format launches, people tend to notice only the end product -- the hardware and the software. What often remains out of sight is the ecosystem needed to support those end products," said Brian Zucker of Dell Inc.'s Client Product Group. "What's most remarkable about the growing support for Blu-ray is not just its sheer volume, but its breadth. Blu-ray has support from the computer, consumer electronics, gaming and content industries, as well as the authoring, replication, application development and manufacturing leaders that are critical to sustaining any format."
CAN I GET AN AMEN!!
Also, here is another good article with some good points:
It all depends on whether this group gets the price down to the point where people will buy it...otherwise it is irrelevant. Technologically interesting, but makes no market impact. Laser discs come to mind.
Comments
Originally posted by Amorph
Just to be contrarian: I've seen it, and my reaction was "oh, it looks good, but whatever."
TV, by and large, does nothing for me. The same crap in hi-def does nothing for me, takes up more space, costs more, has hilarious compression and streaming artifacts (in the case of the local digital cable provider, who make sports games look like webcasts of last-generation console sports games) and comes with evil, proprietary DRM (especially in the case of HD-DVD, which has WMA as an optional format) that will make FairPlay look like Ogg Vorbis.
Sorry, no sale.
I guess to each his own. I watch a ton of sports on TV, and HD is just amazing! When I have to catch a game in SD I almost don't want to watch it, it just looks god awful. After seeing HD, watching SD is just bleh. I also love 24 (a show on Fox), and just the crispness of it in HD vs the washed out look of SD is amazing. I don't really see a whole lot of artifacting (some primetime, but never sports), but I bet it will just get better with time, as the cable/satellite providers move to H.264 (Directv already is getting ready to), and HD becomes even more mainstream.
But even if you hate the crap that is TV, movies are a whole other ball game. If you buy DVDs now, high def DVDs will be a god send. No worries of streaming artifacts. And to be fair, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both come with VC-1 (WMV)
Originally posted by kupan787
And to be fair, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both come with VC-1 (WMV)
Irrespective of the codec used, both formats come with the DRM crap. Bottom line is, if you get HDCP enabled equipment, forget about *all* your fair use rights, you're at the content producers' mercy and the content only goes where they allow it. Just buying the enabled equipment props up their system with licence fees. The only thing, I repeat, the only thing HDCP can possibly result in is that the good, paying customers get shafted. You want to support a business model like that?
The very worst combination to buy is HDCP enabled sources and non enabled screens, because they can remotely shut down your viewing just by turning HDCP on.
Originally posted by kupan787
I think at the start, when combo players will be needed, they will be way too expensive. The drives will need 3 optical pickups (DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray). If a single unit (either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD) starts around $1000, a combo unit will probably be $1500+. I am looking to spend around $5-600 tops.
All of the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD decks will play DVDs so they will already have two optical pickups, one red and one blue. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are very similar so perhaps they will add something to change the wavelength of the blue laser as opposed to using an entirely separate third pickup. Regardless I think all of these players will be very expensive when first introduced.
Originally posted by 1984
All of the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD decks will play DVDs so they will already have two optical pickups, one red and one blue. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are very similar so perhaps they will add something to change the wavelength of the blue laser as opposed to using an entirely separate third pickup. Regardless I think all of these players will be very expensive when first introduced.
No doubt. HD-DVD players are expected to be around $999. I expect Blu-Ray to be similar. I think by Xmas 2006 we'll be down to $600 per player and combo units will start to appear at $999.
By Xmas 2007 Combi units will be $700 and HD-DVD/BR Players will be $299
I'll be anyone here $500 that blu-ray will be the standard. Any takers? Working in hollywood where I do I know what every studio is GOING to do, and what every studio told the media and HD-DVD group they were going to do. You'll see.
Originally posted by yoda_four
Since when did Paramount switch to Blu-Ray? Article/PR please....
As I read, Paramount chose HD-DVD, and have already announced titles for release: Link
EDIT: Dreamworks is under a DVD deal with Universal, so, considering Uni is still with HD-DVD, so is DreamWorks.
AND, Fox has yet to choose either format. All we know is that they got a spot on the BR commitee, and then even said that just because they're on the commitee doesn't mean they chose a format. They are just looking more deeply into the format.
Disney, as was already said, is the only other studio besides Sony to choose the format of Blu-Ray. That contract is non-exclusive so at any time they can switch to HD-DVD, or even start releasing Bambi under VHS, DVD, BR, and HD-DVD
Originally posted by webmail
Dude your just plain F*ing wrong. What's in the press is garabage. I work at paramount in the home entertainment group. We chose blu-ray. HD-DVD choice was old.
I'll bet anyone here $500 that blu-ray will be the standard. Any takers? Working in hollywood where I do I know what every studio is GOING to do, and what every studio told the media and HD-DVD group they were going to do. You'll see.
Originally posted by kupan787
When I have to catch a game in SD I almost don't want to watch it, it just looks god awful.
I stopped watching televised sports much after they started getting funny with the cameras. I'll catch the occasional game, and some sports are better than others (and some channels are better than others), but seeing a pro basketball game live last year was an eye-opener. I could actually see the whole game. That made me realize why I didn't care that much about the telecasts.
At this point, I don't even own a TV, and from what I can see (the town is full of 'em) I don't feel that I'm missing much.
But even if you hate the crap that is TV, movies are a whole other ball game. If you buy DVDs now, high def DVDs will be a god send. No worries of streaming artifacts. And to be fair, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both come with VC-1 (WMV)
I don't buy DVDs now, because of the DRM. HD-DVD will get worse DRM, so I'll be even less likely to buy them.
I'll be anyone here $500 that blu-ray will be the standard. Any takers? Working in hollywood where I do I know what every studio is GOING to do, and what every studio told the media and HD-DVD group they were going to do. You'll see
Why is Hollywood going with Blu-Ray? Do they like the extra size that Blu-Ray offers? I don't care really either way I'll end up grabbing both players if I need to. HDTV is THAT important to me.
However, might there be some other DRM weirdness akin to the drive sabotaging CD's of two years back? I haven't been paying attention, what's up?
Perhaps neither!
Have you read about the Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD)?
CNet has an article on it.
<http://news.com.com/Group+aims+to+dr...bj=news.1041.5>
There is a picture at <http://www.engadget.com/>.
The long and short of it is that they are talking about hundreds of GB of data per disc, ultimately as much as 1 TB.
Have you read about the Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD)?
Yeah but what kind of yummy DRM do we get with this HVD?
Sounds like the perfect format for the eventual move into 4k Ultra High Def.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Yeah but what kind of yummy DRM do we get with this HVD?
Sounds like the perfect format for the eventual move into 4k Ultra High Def.
When you try to copy a disc a hologram appears telling you that you have been a very naughty boy.
Originally posted by Matsu
I've found DVD DRM to be relatively non-intrusive, though I realize it can be more of a pain for those copying, that nut's been cracked too. The only real pain in the butt is regional coding.
However, might there be some other DRM weirdness akin to the drive sabotaging CD's of two years back? I haven't been paying attention, what's up?
The big problem is going to be with legitimate HDTV recording. The broadcast flags become mandatory July 1st and I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg. It's not going to be your friendly Apple style DRM either. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's all over the place.
Originally posted by Amorph
I stopped watching televised sports much after they started getting funny with the cameras. I'll catch the occasional game, and some sports are better than others (and some channels are better than others), but seeing a pro basketball game live last year was an eye-opener. I could actually see the whole game. That made me realize why I didn't care that much about the telecasts.
Ya, I don't have the money to go to that many live sporting events (I am lucky if I get to one every other year). I wish I could go more often, as I love football, but it is a lot cheaper to catch the game on TV, and getting it in HD is a HUGE plus. Also if you are a fan of a team outside of your local area, going to games would be next to impossible for any reasonable amount of money. Catching the game in HD is the next best thing.
I understand this isn't for everyone, and that if you hate TV now, HD isn't going to radically alter your mind. However, even for someone who doesn't use or own a TV, I would hope you would understand how HD is an advantage over what exists today in just image quality alone. There have been a few people on these boards that sounds as if the move to either next gen DVD format is a dumb idea, and a wrong move period. I just don't see how anyone in their mind could argue that (not that I am saying you are Amorph).
Guido is NOT impressed with HD-DVD
Many of you have probably noticed that I have been conspicuously quiet and restrained on the subject of high definition DVD to this point. This has nothing to do with disinterest, of course, but more with the fact that I just wanted to see how things develop before building an opinion and making it public.
Recently I visited the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas in hopes to find out some more hard facts and up-to-date details about the two proposed formats, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. After walking the floor, seeing many of the presentations I found one of my concerns sadly reinforced. I was utterly unimpressed with HD-DVD. Seriously! You can tell from its positioning, the way it?s being bullishly promoted, etc. that HD-DVD is a format that is created to fill an artificially created demand that does not exist. Worst of all however, it looks pretty poor.
\t\t
Sure, at first you look at these high definition video images and you are vowed because of their clarity and resolution. If you look a bit closer however, the images on display were riddled with compression and mastering artifacts that would make you balk if this were a DVD. And that was for the big bang promotions at CES, the single biggest show on the planet to promote these things. If that is the best they can do, I am sorry to say ?Thank you, but no, thank you!?
He continues in this article to speak highly of Blu-Ray. I'd love to hear other thoughts about the CES 2005 HD-DVD displays.
Someone gets it.
Originally posted by kupan787
Ya, I don't have the money to go to that many live sporting events (I am lucky if I get to one every other year).
That's about my rate as well.
I would hope you would understand how HD is an advantage over what exists today in just image quality alone. There have been a few people on these boards that sounds as if the move to either next gen DVD format is a dumb idea, and a wrong move period. I just don't see how anyone in their mind could argue that (not that I am saying you are Amorph).
Well, you can argue it based on what they actually deliver, at what cost. The early hype around CDs made them sound like no-brainers, too.
Compression artifacts? Broadcast and disc DRM that wipes out any kind of time-shifting or fair use copying? Sorry, no sale, and I don't care how pretty the still images are.
I'm looking at the big picture. Sure, HD could be a great thing. The potential is wide open. But if the reality is mediocre content served in a proprietary MS format riddled with compression artifacts and locked down to the point where the TV is the absolute, final receptacle for the content, then it's just not worth it.
Put another way, this is not a time to champion the next generation technology, whatever that may prove to be. Now is a time to argue for and insist on the right next generation technology. Sad to say, I can see a great many ways in which a few powerful people could really make a hash of it.
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...11&newsLang=en
Ok, now there is a total of 100+ companies supporting Blu-Ray. Hmm, want to know who some of them are you say, ok:
Currently, the Blu-ray Disc Association's Board of Directors consists of: Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company; Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; and Walt Disney Pictures and Television.
Contributors: AudioDev AB, Broadcom Corp., Canon Inc., CMC Magnetics Corporation, Coding Technologies GmbH, CyberLink Corp., DaTARIUS Technologies GmbH, Deluxe Media Services Inc., Digital Theater Systems Inc., Dolby Laboratories Inc., Electronic Arts Inc., Fuji Photo Film Co., Ltd., Kenwood Corporation, LITE-ON IT Corporation, MediaTek Inc., Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co., Ltd., Moser Baer India Limited, MX Entertainment, Nero, Optodisc Technology Corporation, Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd., Ricoh Co., Ltd., ShibaSoku Co. Ltd., Sigma Designs Inc., Sonic Solutions, Sonopress LLC, ST Microelectronics, Sun Microsystems, Inc., Ulead Systems Inc., Victor Company of Japan, Ltd., Visionare Corporation and ZOOtech Ltd among others.
General Members: Almedio Inc., Alpine Electronics Inc., AMC Co. Ltd., ArcSoft Inc., Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd., ATI Technologies Inc., Bandai VisualCo., Ltd., BenQ Corp., Ciba Specialty Chemicals Inc., D&M holdings, Inc., Daewoo Electronics Corporation, Elpida Memory, Inc., ESS Technology Inc., Expert Magnetics Corp., Funai Electric Co., Ltd., Imation Corp, Infomedia Inc., Intersil Corporation, InterVideo Inc., Konica Minolta Opto Inc., Lead Data Inc., Leader Electronics Corp, LINTEC Corporation, Memorex Products Inc., Mitsui Chemicals Inc., Mitsumi Electric Co., Ltd., Nan Ya Plastics Corp., NEXAPM Systems Technology Inc., NVIDIA Corp., Ono Sokki Co., Ltd., Opt Corporation, Ritek Corporation, SDI Media USA, Shinano Kenshi Co. Ltd., Sony BMG Entertainment, STEAG ETA-OPTIK GmbH, Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd., TEAC Corporation, Teijin Chemicals Ltd., Toho Company, Ltd., Toppan Printing Co., TOPTICA Photonics AG, Ltd., Unaxis Balzer AG, Yamaha Corp. and Yokogawa Electric Corporation among others.
Wow, quite a list heh. My favorite part of the article, was this quote:
"When a new format launches, people tend to notice only the end product -- the hardware and the software. What often remains out of sight is the ecosystem needed to support those end products," said Brian Zucker of Dell Inc.'s Client Product Group. "What's most remarkable about the growing support for Blu-ray is not just its sheer volume, but its breadth. Blu-ray has support from the computer, consumer electronics, gaming and content industries, as well as the authoring, replication, application development and manufacturing leaders that are critical to sustaining any format."
CAN I GET AN AMEN!!
Also, here is another good article with some good points:
http://www.dvdfile.com/news/viewpoin...005/02_14.html
[B]And another, and another, and another...
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CAN I GET AN AMEN!!
Maybe not.
It all depends on whether this group gets the price down to the point where people will buy it...otherwise it is irrelevant. Technologically interesting, but makes no market impact. Laser discs come to mind.
An example is Thomson, who is a founder member of the BRDA, but is only going to initially make players for HD DVD.
Press release.
The list of BR supporters does however run like the list of electronics manufacturers sitting in my home (excepting the Toshiba DVD player - irony?).