Did anyone else noltice that in the first screenshot (Mail 2.0, active), there are some visual anomalies in the scrollbar of the message list pane?
At about halfway down, the top scrollbar's track suddenly shifts inwards a few pixels, only to push back out again. Not to mention that above this anomaly, the scrollbar track looks active, whereas below it looks inactive.
I realize that this is a screenshot from an OS still heavily under development, but does anyone have any ideas why this may have happened? I have never seen the scrollbar do anything like this...
If I may also draw your attention to other requests:
Hide Folders
When running IMAP mail system folders like .mailboxlist should be hidden and not shown in the Mailboxes draw listing.
Use This Mailbox For
Should enable user defined groupings.
HTML Status Bar
When viewing HTML emails there should be an HTML status bar so that when you mouse over a link you can see where it is going to take you before you click on it.
RSS
Implement subscription based RSS in Mail to compliment the browser based viewing in Safari
Also, where has the folder bookmark bar gone that you can see in an earlier version of Mail 2?
It's the same interface as seen in the new main Preferences panel. Title merges into toolbar, toolbar merges into content. wrong wrong wrong.
What's wrong with the 'Pro' interface? It is absolutely excellent, and the new translucent 'flat' floating panels in Motion are excellent too. Roll that out across the entire OS, and I'll be happy.
What's wrong with the 'Pro' interface? It is absolutely excellent, and the new translucent 'flat' floating panels in Motion are excellent too. Roll that out across the entire OS, and I'll be happy.
I think the 'Pro' interface is a little too 'dark' for most (consumer) users. Though I like it too.
It's a bit silly now if Apple changes their UI to 'white', just when their hardware is all brushed (G5 workstation, displays).
That's funny... this coming from a site that's ONLY 10.4 coverage consists of regurgitating original reports published by AI. It's quite clear that AI has sources with the latest builds - I have no reason to believe that this latest round was hoaxed.
Oh and I just checked that thread - 'general consensus' is a bit of a stretch wouldn't you say? It was one or two posters the rest of the posters have been dismissing them.
Personally, I like the more streamlined look, and it's not nearly as "gummy" looking as XP. I suspect this appearance is a revised Aqua that hasn't been updated in a lot of places yet. It's just not that important unless, in the case of the main Mail window, the behavior changes -- using a sidebar instead of a drawer, for example.
Don't throw a fit yet over any inconsistency in the appearance. At any rate, I think we should point out that Apple's UI for OS X is almost 4 years old now, the Classic OS was far simpler to begin with and had about 17 years of refinement under its belt, and Tiger is months away (almost a year in my estimation) from release, and they can tinker to their heart's content in the meantime. That would seem like a good idea to me anyway if you want to test out new appearances, UI behaviors, etc.
That's funny... this coming from a site that's ONLY 10.4 coverage consists of regurgitating original reports published by AI. It's quite clear that AI has sources with the latest builds - I have no reason to believe that this latest round was hoaxed.
Oh and I just checked that thread - 'general consensus' is a bit of a stretch wouldn't you say? It was one or two posters the rest of the posters have been dismissing them.
Much as I'd like it all to be true what makes me think twice are:
1. Lack of scroll bars for the content window where the content goes off the page.
2. The presence of scroll bars for the email list window where the list doesn't go off the page.
3. The rendering glitch below the scroll bar on the right hand side. Is that a give away?
4. The lack of the bookmarks bar as shown in previous versions of Mail 2.
Fake????? ....... No I think that apple is embarking on a new voyage in the UI. I doubt that this will be the first or the last UI look that we will all see over the next few months.
Personally I like is as long as you have a chioce in whether the drawer is hidden or shown.
I wish you had the ability to have themes added to the system with out the need for a APE plugin, I would be all over it.
Who knows maybe they will allow themes like the days in 9.
If i could set up my machine with a PRO looking feel I would be all over it.
Bingo. I think Apple is taking the success of iTunes' UI and sharing the love. Looks like Aqua and metal are getting closer and closer all the time. Personally, while I think Apple's being opportunistic by taking their best UI ideas and making them pervasive (their UI people are involved with specific project teams, not as the overseers they were back on Tog's day), I also think Apple had an idea of where they wanted to go with the UI and planned this sort of transition from the outset. While the Finder from the DP and public beta days of OS X was a crippled lightweight, I thin kthe general idea of this kind of UI was present if rather flawed.
Dare one hope that Apple replaces the eagle in the Mail icon with something better? It just seems terribly out of place.
Swedes!
I think most Americans probably don't think twise about it. We have lots of stamps with eagles, an eagle is the symbol of the US Postal Service, etc. I guess Apple stopped short of making it a bald eagle so it wouldn't be quite so provincial.
Much as I'd like it all to be true what makes me think twice are:
1. Lack of scroll bars for the content window where the content goes off the page.
2. The presence of scroll bars for the email list window where the list doesn't go off the page.
Both perfectly understandable in code that's still under development.
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3. The rendering glitch below the scroll bar on the right hand side. Is that a give away?
It's actually easier to imagine that as an actual rendering glitch than as an error in a mockup. For one thing, it would be more trouble to make in, say, Illustrator; for another, it's an arbitrary enough glitch that it's hard to imagine someone coming up with the idea independently; and for another a UI faker would probably be looking to minimize glitches in order to boost the appearance of authenticity.
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4. The lack of the bookmarks bar as shown in previous versions of Mail 2.
In development builds, things come and go all the time. Maybe in this build they commented out the bookmarks code to concentrate on something else (or because it was hopelessly broken)? Maybe, after giving the idea a shot, they decided that it didn't work?
Prerelease software is wonky and unpolished, inconsistent and subject to change. If it wasn't, they'd have released it.
I know there was a lot of discussion a while back about how Aqua was designed to match CRT iMac / Yosemite era hardware, and what would happen with Apple moving away from those design cues? Well, now we see. This is the theme for the new hardware.
The way that OS X is organized, Apple should be able to tweak themes every so often and expect well-written applications to auto-update to the new look. There will always be a few exceptions, even among well-written apps, but as a general rule I'm expecting that we'll be getting used to new variations on familiar themes every few years.
it's great. not as noisy as brushed metal, but not as plain as aqua. hopefully it will resize faster than. brushed metal does. i find that aqua resizes so much faster at times.
i just hope it doesn't look too windowsy in real life. people are saying it looks windowsy but it doesnt get painful on the eyes like windows xp/longhorn blue does.
apple has the only ui that i just dont get sick of looking at after long periods of time.
Wish i could apply the Pro app's theme to all my apps. I really need a UI with smaller fonts esp in the context menus. I like the dark color but i think the widgets should be aqua blue because they seem to blend in too much with the dark background.
As far as evolution of Aqua, I've been hoping that Apple would do to it's main buttons and scrollbars as it did to the 'traffic light' buttons in the titlebar.
They maintain that luscious curves of Aqua, but are so less obtrusive as far as the rest of the page is concerned - ie: the rounderd buttons should be there, but the highest point (the middle of them) should be true with the same level as the content (ie the edges should be grooves, and the buttons shouldn't stand up from the page)
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At about halfway down, the top scrollbar's track suddenly shifts inwards a few pixels, only to push back out again. Not to mention that above this anomaly, the scrollbar track looks active, whereas below it looks inactive.
I realize that this is a screenshot from an OS still heavily under development, but does anyone have any ideas why this may have happened? I have never seen the scrollbar do anything like this...
That was fast! Apple must be reading our Apple Mac OS X Wish List.
If I may also draw your attention to other requests:
Hide Folders
When running IMAP mail system folders like .mailboxlist should be hidden and not shown in the Mailboxes draw listing.
Use This Mailbox For
Should enable user defined groupings.
HTML Status Bar
When viewing HTML emails there should be an HTML status bar so that when you mouse over a link you can see where it is going to take you before you click on it.
RSS
Implement subscription based RSS in Mail to compliment the browser based viewing in Safari
Also, where has the folder bookmark bar gone that you can see in an earlier version of Mail 2?
Cheers Daniel
See: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...5&page=1&pp=25
AI: Please varify your sources! :-(
Cheers Daniel
It's the same interface as seen in the new main Preferences panel. Title merges into toolbar, toolbar merges into content. wrong wrong wrong.
What's wrong with the 'Pro' interface? It is absolutely excellent, and the new translucent 'flat' floating panels in Motion are excellent too. Roll that out across the entire OS, and I'll be happy.
Originally posted by danmanix
What's wrong with the 'Pro' interface? It is absolutely excellent, and the new translucent 'flat' floating panels in Motion are excellent too. Roll that out across the entire OS, and I'll be happy.
I think the 'Pro' interface is a little too 'dark' for most (consumer) users. Though I like it too.
It's a bit silly now if Apple changes their UI to 'white', just when their hardware is all brushed (G5 workstation, displays).
Except the new iMac. Is this an omen ?
Originally posted by dahacouk
There general consensus at Mac Rumors is that these are fake!
See: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...5&page=1&pp=25
AI: Please varify your sources! :-(
Cheers Daniel
That's funny... this coming from a site that's ONLY 10.4 coverage consists of regurgitating original reports published by AI. It's quite clear that AI has sources with the latest builds - I have no reason to believe that this latest round was hoaxed.
Oh and I just checked that thread - 'general consensus' is a bit of a stretch wouldn't you say? It was one or two posters the rest of the posters have been dismissing them.
Dave
Personally, I like the more streamlined look, and it's not nearly as "gummy" looking as XP. I suspect this appearance is a revised Aqua that hasn't been updated in a lot of places yet. It's just not that important unless, in the case of the main Mail window, the behavior changes -- using a sidebar instead of a drawer, for example.
Don't throw a fit yet over any inconsistency in the appearance. At any rate, I think we should point out that Apple's UI for OS X is almost 4 years old now, the Classic OS was far simpler to begin with and had about 17 years of refinement under its belt, and Tiger is months away (almost a year in my estimation) from release, and they can tinker to their heart's content in the meantime. That would seem like a good idea to me anyway if you want to test out new appearances, UI behaviors, etc.
Originally posted by DaveGee
That's funny... this coming from a site that's ONLY 10.4 coverage consists of regurgitating original reports published by AI. It's quite clear that AI has sources with the latest builds - I have no reason to believe that this latest round was hoaxed.
Oh and I just checked that thread - 'general consensus' is a bit of a stretch wouldn't you say? It was one or two posters the rest of the posters have been dismissing them.
Much as I'd like it all to be true what makes me think twice are:
1. Lack of scroll bars for the content window where the content goes off the page.
2. The presence of scroll bars for the email list window where the list doesn't go off the page.
3. The rendering glitch below the scroll bar on the right hand side. Is that a give away?
4. The lack of the bookmarks bar as shown in previous versions of Mail 2.
What say you to those?
Cheers Daniel
Personally I like is as long as you have a chioce in whether the drawer is hidden or shown.
I wish you had the ability to have themes added to the system with out the need for a APE plugin, I would be all over it.
Who knows maybe they will allow themes like the days in 9.
If i could set up my machine with a PRO looking feel I would be all over it.
zen
Originally posted by averagezen
If i could set up my machine with a PRO looking feel I would be all over it.
Ditto. I've been longing for a pro/consumer theme/look for years. It makes sense.
It would be wild if Mail.app became a free download for Windows and Linux.
Originally posted by Gavriel
Dare one hope that Apple replaces the eagle in the Mail icon with something better? It just seems terribly out of place.
Swedes!
I think most Americans probably don't think twise about it. We have lots of stamps with eagles, an eagle is the symbol of the US Postal Service, etc. I guess Apple stopped short of making it a bald eagle so it wouldn't be quite so provincial.
Originally posted by Gavriel
Dare one hope that Apple replaces the eagle in the Mail icon with something better? It just seems terribly out of place.
How about the Queen of England? ;-)
On a serious note I still haven't heard anyone calm my fears (as detailed in http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...986#post682978) that this is a fake!
Cheers Daniel
Originally posted by dahacouk
Much as I'd like it all to be true what makes me think twice are:
1. Lack of scroll bars for the content window where the content goes off the page.
2. The presence of scroll bars for the email list window where the list doesn't go off the page.
Both perfectly understandable in code that's still under development.
3. The rendering glitch below the scroll bar on the right hand side. Is that a give away?
It's actually easier to imagine that as an actual rendering glitch than as an error in a mockup. For one thing, it would be more trouble to make in, say, Illustrator; for another, it's an arbitrary enough glitch that it's hard to imagine someone coming up with the idea independently; and for another a UI faker would probably be looking to minimize glitches in order to boost the appearance of authenticity.
4. The lack of the bookmarks bar as shown in previous versions of Mail 2.
In development builds, things come and go all the time. Maybe in this build they commented out the bookmarks code to concentrate on something else (or because it was hopelessly broken)? Maybe, after giving the idea a shot, they decided that it didn't work?
Prerelease software is wonky and unpolished, inconsistent and subject to change. If it wasn't, they'd have released it.
I know there was a lot of discussion a while back about how Aqua was designed to match CRT iMac / Yosemite era hardware, and what would happen with Apple moving away from those design cues? Well, now we see. This is the theme for the new hardware.
The way that OS X is organized, Apple should be able to tweak themes every so often and expect well-written applications to auto-update to the new look. There will always be a few exceptions, even among well-written apps, but as a general rule I'm expecting that we'll be getting used to new variations on familiar themes every few years.
i just hope it doesn't look too windowsy in real life. people are saying it looks windowsy but it doesnt get painful on the eyes like windows xp/longhorn blue does.
apple has the only ui that i just dont get sick of looking at after long periods of time.
They maintain that luscious curves of Aqua, but are so less obtrusive as far as the rest of the page is concerned - ie: the rounderd buttons should be there, but the highest point (the middle of them) should be true with the same level as the content (ie the edges should be grooves, and the buttons shouldn't stand up from the page)