Mac mini misses its target consumer

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  • Reply 181 of 289
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by steve666

    Found it ! Its from macWorld:



    http://www.macworld.com/2005/01/news...view/index.php





    Thanks!
  • Reply 182 of 289
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Amorph



    The lack of Core Image/Core Video acceleration is a) unresolved at this point, and b) irrelevant at this price. The Mac mini will support CI/CV just fine, with AltiVec. Some particularly intensive effects will simply be fast instead of real-time. Not a big deal in any case, and certainly not for $499.





    WHEW, that puts my mind at ease, the effects will still work, I will not miss a beat, so it is "fast" and not real time, it is going to work, that is all I care about, I beleve that is the way 90% of the mac mini users will thing as well.
  • Reply 183 of 289
    iposteriposter Posts: 1,560member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by steve666

    Imagine, if you will, a PC user bringing home a mini to attach to their keyboard and mouse.



    First scenario-

    They have PS/@ connectors on their peripherals.

    Oops.



    Second scenario-

    They have USB peripherals but no USB ports on their keyboard since most windows keyboards don't have that feature. Now, they have to go out and buy a USB Hub just to plug in their printer.





    First one could be a problem...



    Second one, hello? I'm doing exactly that with my PC right now. (only 2 USB)

    (Yes, I know newer PC's have more UBS ports, at least the higher end ones)



    And I may have to get a hub for my 17" Sunflower, I have only 1 free USB port right now...USB hubs are dirt cheap anyway...no home should be without one!
  • Reply 184 of 289
    squashsquash Posts: 332member
    I'm still waiting on the bitch slap steve...I'm waiting



    Anyways, you just remind me of relic, but worse. A mac user that doesn't use, he just abuses instead. Congrats on being the biggest negative of the mini. You are it's worst feature
  • Reply 185 of 289
    steve666steve666 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by SQUÅSH

    I'm still waiting on the bitch slap steve...I'm waiting



    Anyways, you just remind me of relic, but worse. A mac user that doesn't use, he just abuses instead. Congrats on being the biggest negative of the mini. You are it's worst feature






    Theres nothing wrong with constructive criticism.

    If theres one thing I can't stand is someone who can't deal with a difference of opinion.

    If you can't handle an adult conversation there is nothing I can do for you.
  • Reply 186 of 289
    grahamwgrahamw Posts: 575member
    Steve, I'm not really sure how your criticism can be constructive; if you were to compile your diatribes into a nice little package and send it to Apple via their feedback form - perhaps.



    I personally like having someone like you around though. You're very reactionary comments against the little bugger have just endeared it to me even more. I was worried that somehow, somewhere, Apple may just have silenced folks like yourself who look for any reason not to buy something. I'm sure you find your own reasoning sound in your own mind - to most of the rest of us (I think I speak with a general clarity of what quite a few have posted in this thread) you're really tilting at windmills. Nothing quite like the good old fashioned "I can price a PC for cheaper! I can! It's better, I swear!" Posts. (Sempron and Celeron indeed!)



    I don't want to ever ruin someone's nights sleep, but you can rest uneasy knowing that you put the final checkmark on the list for me. You sold me on the Mac mini - thanks!



  • Reply 187 of 289
    guarthoguartho Posts: 1,208member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by steve666

    Found it ! Its from macWorld:



    http://www.macworld.com/2005/01/news...view/index.php





    Read down, it mentions the size and speed of the hard drive.

    Interesting how Apple doesnt mention this in the tech specs on their site




    Yay.. I've been going around knowing that it was 4200 but I couldn't find any "credible" source for that.
  • Reply 188 of 289
    steve666steve666 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by grahamw

    Steve, I'm not really sure how your criticism can be constructive; if you were to compile your diatribes into a nice little package and send it to Apple via their feedback form - perhaps.



    I personally like having someone like you around though. You're very reactionary comments against the little bugger have just endeared it to me even more. I was worried that somehow, somewhere, Apple may just have silenced folks like yourself who look for any reason not to buy something. I'm sure you find your own reasoning sound in your own mind - to most of the rest of us (I think I speak with a general clarity of what quite a few have posted in this thread) you're really tilting at windmills. Nothing quite like the good old fashioned "I can price a PC for cheaper! I can! It's better, I swear!" Posts. (Sempron and Celeron indeed!)



    I don't want to ever ruin someone's nights sleep, but you can rest uneasy knowing that you put the final checkmark on the list for me. You sold me on the Mac mini - thanks!







    Whatever floats your boat.
  • Reply 189 of 289
    I think folks...stick to the issues.



    I don't know steve...if they can't figure out that Macs are in fact different from PCs and actually get pissed off because they can't find a CD inaction button like that on PC drives (thats right, if the PC doesnt want to, it wont give your CD back. Try pressing the button at any time while restarting)



    then they should really just RTFM ya know? If they have PS2 stuff, well, its sorta like old poop and well...they should really just shell out the $20.



    Look does the Apple kb really not have two usb ports on it? If not...then I think it would be valid to ask where do I plug in my USB cam?



    I think Apple is trying to do that thing where they shove a standard in your face...Firewire. Apple didnt like the USB2 thing.
  • Reply 190 of 289
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by DigitalMonkeyBoy

    Look does the Apple kb really not have two usb ports on it? If not...then I think it would be valid to ask where do I plug in my USB cam?



    I think Apple is trying to do that thing where they shove a standard in your face...Firewire. Apple didnt like the USB2 thing.




    Apple keyboards do indeed have two low-power USB ports on them; USB 1. Plug your keyboard into the computer and your mouse into the keyboard. This leaves a powered USB 2 port open on the computer and a USB 1 port on the keyboard.
  • Reply 191 of 289
    OK well great...so now I relly don't know what the problem is then steve. If people can't swap the cam out for the external disk or whatever...boohoo. Like we;re saying, its a low price point. My PC has 2 and that works.
  • Reply 192 of 289
    steve666steve666 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by DigitalMonkeyBoy

    OK well great...so now I relly don't know what the problem is then steve. If people can't swap the cam out for the external disk or whatever...boohoo. Like we;re saying, its a low price point. My PC has 2 and that works.



    Then the Apple keyboard should have come with the mini, like I have said all along. For $499, not $529. The mini's innards are nothing special so I'm not really worried about them not making a profit by including the keyboard.
  • Reply 193 of 289
    I see the point now. That's a valid point.
  • Reply 194 of 289
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    I see ramseeker.com now has one listing for Mac mini memory; $227 via Crucial. I'm sure other vendors will update their listings soon. I wonder what an Apple Store will charge to install it, if I decide not to try it myself.



    I ordered my mini with 512MB but expect it'll only be a couple of months until I'm itching to up it to a Gig. Fortunately I have a Mac at work that the leftover stick will fit, so it won't be a complete waste.
  • Reply 195 of 289
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by steve666

    Then the Apple keyboard should have come with the mini, like I have said all along. For $499, not $529. The mini's innards are nothing special so I'm not really worried about them not making a profit by including the keyboard.



    So, keyboard but no mouse? How about all the complaints about Apple's one-button mouse? I like it but...
  • Reply 196 of 289
    Oh I still don't think it should come with kb or mouse...

    Maybe a 3rd USB port? I'm torn since most PC kbs just wont have that handy USB mouse port
  • Reply 197 of 289
    I've been reading forums here, MacNN, Ars, Slashdot and following the press and feedback at cNet. In general the response has been more than favorable to the mini. What is getting harder to understand as time goes by is how so many people keep getting sucked into these hardware arguments. I spent four years forced into working on a MS/NT-4 box and didn't seem to progress one bit either in enjoyment nor utilization of the computer. Every thing just seemed so dang difficult to learn and execute. I finally said forget it and bought my G4 17" 1ghz iMac that has worse specs than the mini with the exception of the gpu. Within a couple of weeks I was putting together slide shows of my sons basketball teams for his coach that almost brought the tough as nails guys to tears. I did a promo for work with slides, music and voiceover which we used as an invitation to an event we were having. I ripped my entire CD collection into iTunes which labeled and sorted everything with me just having to hit a feed and eject button. My daughter made a Mothers day DVD for my wife that in fact brought her to tears. I've left the world of trojans, viruses and spyware behind in the process. This is why I'm a mac nut. It's plain and simply being able to do all these things while having to learn very little about the computer. Not because of the speed of the processor. Just my 2 cents.



    Bill
  • Reply 198 of 289
    idaveidave Posts: 1,283member
    Lots of new articles are in the Apple knowledge base.

    http://search.info.apple.com/

    Enter "mac mini"
  • Reply 199 of 289
    I agree that the lack of keyboard and mouse may put some people off; not because people would mind so much buying a keyboard and mouse separately, but because of the differences between platforms that would make PC keyboards and mice undesirable for use with the Mini.



    In addition to PC keyboards' general lack of any USB connection, let alone a USB hub, key labels like Print Screen, Scroll Lock and Insert are inappropriate under OS X. PC keyboards tend to have keys for web browsing and multimedia control, and those will probably not work at all. I assume that Apple will at least include information on mapping the Alt key to Option and the Windows key to Command, but I fear that they might skip the other stuff and confuse a lot of people. Hopefully Apple was thoughtful.
  • Reply 200 of 289
    Quote:

    Originally posted by DigitalMonkeyBoy

    Yeah...since Macs have had those lately.



    What do you use a serial port for these days? Sure I have some printers, a 512KE mouse...crappy graphics tablets, but they're too slow to be useful.









    There are a lot of appliances: Packet-Radio modems, telephone modems (I hate those usb modems, which are not plug&play because they need an extra driver), data cables for mobile phones and pdas, and since I am in the network business I make also a lot of use of the rs232 ports with routers, switches, firewalls of any brand. Even sun servers have a standard rs232 port to communicate.



    Are there mac compatible usb2rs232 converters on the market? Most of them won't even run under linux.



    Quote:

    Use OS X w/ 256? No problem unless you're ediitng video or something. Drop the RAM issue. Windows uses RAM in a way that I still don't understand after many years. It haphazardly runs out. The Mac however has always been more RAM-friendly.



    I think, video editing is a great issue for pc users. I watch tv only on pc, and every time I record something I cut out the commercials and reencode the video and audio streams to a something smaller format. Although most users won't use video editing right now, it will become more and more important, I think, as it happened with audio.



    I am still thinking of buying a mac mini though, I talked to a collague a few theys ago, who has a mac, and he is pretty fond of it. Although it might now replace my pc at first.



    cu,

    David
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