and icon placement in the finder window is just pathetic, they by default are scattered with no logic to the scatter...what is wrong with having everything in nice neat rows...not unchamgable...
they are alphabetical now.. but grouping folders and icons alphabetical would be nice though :-)
This is pure craziness, but I believe that Apple hasn't rewritten the Finder because there has been a plan from the beginning to phase out the Finder in a future version. Spotlight is Phase One. They'll slowly lead us until the Finder is almost obsolete and then remove it completely.
I don't find this idea very compelling. The Finder as it is
is a spatial way to navigate to your content, more or less.
The finder was AND is the answer to all text based navigation.
Why should apple move into that direction again?
I don't think the concept of "Spotlight" will replace the Finder,
I don't find this idea very compelling. The Finder as it is
is a spatial way to navigate to your content, more or less.
The finder was AND is the answer to all text based navigation.
Why should apple move into that direction again?
I don't think the concept of "Spotlight" will replace the Finder,
it just makes the Finder more convenient. iMHO.
I disagree. Look at what they've been doing all through the system, starting with iTunes: dynamic search of metadata that users find *easier* and *faster* than static organization by folder.
Imagine a Finder that is a mix of smart and traditional folders, such that a shallow hierarchy of top level abstractions can hold a rich plethora of data and mixed file types that you never have to update, it Just Happens(tm). That's where we're heading.
I don't get this whole "Apple fix the finder" thing. Likely because I'm not on OSX but also because even I can see that spatial searching of directories and files is becoming passe. Hell I wonder why I even bothered to put bookmarks in specific folders in Opera. I can search for them in a jiffy without worrying about the management of folders.
We're training the youth of today to simply search for what they want. The Internet is the best tool for this; It manages to get you to the information you want despite the fact that you have no idea of its directory structure. That's mighty impressive IMO. The Finder is dead...I don't expect much work to go into it. Apple's next task will likely be extending Spotlight technology across mounted network drives and rez independant UI.
Hmmm... Spotlight makes me think I should start encrypting my old taxes. I have PDFs of 'em, but if their contents (including my SSN) is easily indexed and accessed through the search API, I might not want the data so easily available.
Making my machine secure is already critical, but placing all this information in one place makes me think that it may be the target of the next generation of viruses. Yeap... Heard it hear first, unfortunately. Hmmm... acutally, lets hope I didn't just let the genie out of the bottle.
I disagree. Look at what they've been doing all through the system, starting with iTunes: dynamic search of metadata that users find *easier* and *faster* than static organization by folder.
...
Yeah, i fully understand this. iTunes does organize your
tunes, physically, virtually, dynamically. No need to poke
the Finder, which becomes less important. And nowaday
i can't even imagine to touch the Finder in order to organize
my Tunes, (Photos the same). Well to some extent the Finder
as a navigation concept is history, - or will become history
very soon.
But you can toss it this or that way, there WILL be a
physical/visual representation system even to represent
virtual/smart folders, no? How'd you call that? Finder?
Well, FINDER is just a brand, a learned word, which is connected
to Macintosh. I can't imagine apple will abandon (the) "Finder".
They won't call it "Spotlight".
Quote:
Originally posted by Kickaha
...
Imagine a Finder that is a mix of smart and traditional folders, such that a shallow hierarchy of top level abstractions can hold a rich plethora of data and mixed file types that you never have to update, it Just Happens(tm). That's where we're heading.
Hmmm... Spotlight makes me think I should start encrypting my old taxes. I have PDFs of 'em, but if their contents (including my SSN) is easily indexed and accessed through the search API, I might not want the data so easily available.
You can prevent spotlight from indexing certain folders.
Your home on the Mac, Finder gives you lots of options for locating, displaying and organizing all your files and folders. From the power of Spotlight search technology to the flexibility of customizable item views, Mac OS X Finder truly shows your Mac at a glance.
I can't say i care that much about most of the features Tiger will introduce, but i have to say i'm hoping it will improve airport extreme wireless performance....
has anyone heard comments re., an improvement in wireless range and signal strength with Tiger developer builds?....
i'm going to be an ass here and says who the f8ck cares? if you have to use your beatiful Mac and Airport card with some bullsh1t wireless router connects to PeeCees pieces of crap, it doesn't matter how well engineered airport extreme cards are (which they are...!!!) because Dlink, Netgear, and all that other Taiwan-China stuff is rubbish
can you tell i have been having trouble with wireless routers lately?
Hmmm... Spotlight makes me think I should start encrypting my old taxes. I have PDFs of 'em, but if their contents (including my SSN) is easily indexed and accessed through the search API, I might not want the data so easily available.
Making my machine secure is already critical, but placing all this information in one place makes me think that it may be the target of the next generation of viruses. Yeap... Heard it hear first, unfortunately. Hmmm... acutally, lets hope I didn't just let the genie out of the bottle.
As noted earlier, you can designate folders, files, and such that cannot be touched by Spotlight's search mechanism.
I brainstormed another question on this matter, something that I don't think has been brought up here yet. Say for the sake of security I lock out my digitized tax forms from my Mac's Spotlight indexing, like Xool. I subsequently make a backup of these files by burning them to a CD-ROM. Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
I guess this question boils down to whether there is some kind of security-based metadata switch that accompanies every file, that switch (exclusive to Spotlight indexing, and separate from other methods of security like passwords?) flipped to "on" for "Index me!" or "off" for "Hide me."
Er, well, if they HAD YOUR FILES, you'd be kind of screwed anyway, wouldn't you?
Red herring.
Yeah, well, you're right on that score, I guess. Chalk it up to idle speculation based on an errant premise.
But it would be interesting to know if that "switch" I mention is part of a file's/folder's/drive's metadata, and therefore travels with it, or if it is machine-specific.
As noted earlier, you can designate folders, files, and such that cannot be touched by Spotlight's search mechanism.
I brainstormed another question on this matter, something that I don't think has been brought up here yet. Say for the sake of security I lock out my digitized tax forms from my Mac's Spotlight indexing, like Xool. I subsequently make a backup of these files by burning them to a CD-ROM. Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
I guess this question boils down to whether there is some kind of security-based metadata switch that accompanies every file, that switch (exclusive to Spotlight indexing, and separate from other methods of security like passwords?) flipped to "on" for "Index me!" or "off" for "Hide me."
Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
Uh, you can take Spotlight out of the picture and still have the same problem.
As noted earlier, you can designate folders, files, and such that cannot be touched by Spotlight's search mechanism.
I brainstormed another question on this matter, something that I don't think has been brought up here yet. Say for the sake of security I lock out my digitized tax forms from my Mac's Spotlight indexing, like Xool. I subsequently make a backup of these files by burning them to a CD-ROM. Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
I guess this question boils down to whether there is some kind of security-based metadata switch that accompanies every file, that switch (exclusive to Spotlight indexing, and separate from other methods of security like passwords?) flipped to "on" for "Index me!" or "off" for "Hide me."
If the files are encrypted Spotlight will be unable to parse and index the data, so this is a somewhat easy way to protect them plus the files can be password protected.
However, if you delete your original tax documents and the index isn't updated immediately, someone could dig around your Spotlight cache and find interesting data. I'm sure if you ran a search, it would cull the removed file from the results list, but is the data already removed from the index or is it just masked off?
I bought a D-Link DI-624+ and after two days of trouble with it I exchanged the antenna with a bigger one. Never had trouble again.
thanks for the handy tip. mine is D-Link DI-724P+ did you buy antenna from the dealer or third party antenna?
nothing but trouble since day one for two weeks. but just yesterday d-link tech support emailed firmware 1.03 which seems to stabilise the problem. apple iBook airport extreme has performed flawlessly regardless, but i think the DI-724 with this new firmware somehow prevents older wired/wireless cards from associating ~ i think they have an issue with mixing 10/100 ethernet and 802.11b and 802.11g and the airplus+ 54+mbps proprietary protocol or whatever \
Comments
Originally posted by a_greer
and icon placement in the finder window is just pathetic, they by default are scattered with no logic to the scatter...what is wrong with having everything in nice neat rows...not unchamgable...
they are alphabetical now.. but grouping folders and icons alphabetical would be nice though :-)
Originally posted by fahlman
This is pure craziness, but I believe that Apple hasn't rewritten the Finder because there has been a plan from the beginning to phase out the Finder in a future version. Spotlight is Phase One. They'll slowly lead us until the Finder is almost obsolete and then remove it completely.
I don't find this idea very compelling. The Finder as it is
is a spatial way to navigate to your content, more or less.
The finder was AND is the answer to all text based navigation.
Why should apple move into that direction again?
I don't think the concept of "Spotlight" will replace the Finder,
it just makes the Finder more convenient. iMHO.
Originally posted by Hobbes
finally, live updating on the desktop!
NIce. Any word on better Finder FTP integration? Better FTP in general?
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
I don't find this idea very compelling. The Finder as it is
is a spatial way to navigate to your content, more or less.
The finder was AND is the answer to all text based navigation.
Why should apple move into that direction again?
I don't think the concept of "Spotlight" will replace the Finder,
it just makes the Finder more convenient. iMHO.
I disagree. Look at what they've been doing all through the system, starting with iTunes: dynamic search of metadata that users find *easier* and *faster* than static organization by folder.
Imagine a Finder that is a mix of smart and traditional folders, such that a shallow hierarchy of top level abstractions can hold a rich plethora of data and mixed file types that you never have to update, it Just Happens(tm). That's where we're heading.
I don't get this whole "Apple fix the finder" thing. Likely because I'm not on OSX but also because even I can see that spatial searching of directories and files is becoming passe. Hell I wonder why I even bothered to put bookmarks in specific folders in Opera. I can search for them in a jiffy without worrying about the management of folders.
We're training the youth of today to simply search for what they want. The Internet is the best tool for this; It manages to get you to the information you want despite the fact that you have no idea of its directory structure. That's mighty impressive IMO. The Finder is dead...I don't expect much work to go into it. Apple's next task will likely be extending Spotlight technology across mounted network drives and rez independant UI.
Making my machine secure is already critical, but placing all this information in one place makes me think that it may be the target of the next generation of viruses. Yeap... Heard it hear first, unfortunately. Hmmm... acutally, lets hope I didn't just let the genie out of the bottle.
Originally posted by Kickaha
I disagree. Look at what they've been doing all through the system, starting with iTunes: dynamic search of metadata that users find *easier* and *faster* than static organization by folder.
...
Yeah, i fully understand this. iTunes does organize your
tunes, physically, virtually, dynamically. No need to poke
the Finder, which becomes less important. And nowaday
i can't even imagine to touch the Finder in order to organize
my Tunes, (Photos the same). Well to some extent the Finder
as a navigation concept is history, - or will become history
very soon.
But you can toss it this or that way, there WILL be a
physical/visual representation system even to represent
virtual/smart folders, no? How'd you call that? Finder?
Well, FINDER is just a brand, a learned word, which is connected
to Macintosh. I can't imagine apple will abandon (the) "Finder".
They won't call it "Spotlight".
Originally posted by Kickaha
...
Imagine a Finder that is a mix of smart and traditional folders, such that a shallow hierarchy of top level abstractions can hold a rich plethora of data and mixed file types that you never have to update, it Just Happens(tm). That's where we're heading.
Yeah, warmly agree. I'd sign this any time
Originally posted by Xool
Hmmm... Spotlight makes me think I should start encrypting my old taxes. I have PDFs of 'em, but if their contents (including my SSN) is easily indexed and accessed through the search API, I might not want the data so easily available.
You can prevent spotlight from indexing certain folders.
Your home on the Mac, Finder gives you lots of options for locating, displaying and organizing all your files and folders. From the power of Spotlight search technology to the flexibility of customizable item views, Mac OS X Finder truly shows your Mac at a glance.
Quote from Apple itself.
Originally posted by gcarswell
I can't say i care that much about most of the features Tiger will introduce, but i have to say i'm hoping it will improve airport extreme wireless performance....
has anyone heard comments re., an improvement in wireless range and signal strength with Tiger developer builds?....
i'm going to be an ass here and says who the f8ck cares? if you have to use your beatiful Mac and Airport card with some bullsh1t wireless router connects to PeeCees pieces of crap, it doesn't matter how well engineered airport extreme cards are (which they are...!!!) because Dlink, Netgear, and all that other Taiwan-China stuff is rubbish
can you tell i have been having trouble with wireless routers lately?
Originally posted by Xool
Hmmm... Spotlight makes me think I should start encrypting my old taxes. I have PDFs of 'em, but if their contents (including my SSN) is easily indexed and accessed through the search API, I might not want the data so easily available.
Making my machine secure is already critical, but placing all this information in one place makes me think that it may be the target of the next generation of viruses. Yeap... Heard it hear first, unfortunately. Hmmm... acutally, lets hope I didn't just let the genie out of the bottle.
As noted earlier, you can designate folders, files, and such that cannot be touched by Spotlight's search mechanism.
I brainstormed another question on this matter, something that I don't think has been brought up here yet. Say for the sake of security I lock out my digitized tax forms from my Mac's Spotlight indexing, like Xool. I subsequently make a backup of these files by burning them to a CD-ROM. Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
I guess this question boils down to whether there is some kind of security-based metadata switch that accompanies every file, that switch (exclusive to Spotlight indexing, and separate from other methods of security like passwords?) flipped to "on" for "Index me!" or "off" for "Hide me."
Red herring.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Er, well, if they HAD YOUR FILES, you'd be kind of screwed anyway, wouldn't you?
Red herring.
But it would be interesting to know if that "switch" I mention is part of a file's/folder's/drive's metadata, and therefore travels with it, or if it is machine-specific.
Originally posted by LudwigVan
As noted earlier, you can designate folders, files, and such that cannot be touched by Spotlight's search mechanism.
I brainstormed another question on this matter, something that I don't think has been brought up here yet. Say for the sake of security I lock out my digitized tax forms from my Mac's Spotlight indexing, like Xool. I subsequently make a backup of these files by burning them to a CD-ROM. Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
I guess this question boils down to whether there is some kind of security-based metadata switch that accompanies every file, that switch (exclusive to Spotlight indexing, and separate from other methods of security like passwords?) flipped to "on" for "Index me!" or "off" for "Hide me."
You sound like you are a tax office employee,
who want to get prepared.
And no i am not paranoid, i just know how
they're working.
Originally posted by sunilraman
can you tell i have been having trouble with wireless routers lately?
I bought a D-Link DI-624+ and after two days of trouble with it I exchanged the antenna with a bigger one. Never had trouble again.
Originally posted by LudwigVan
Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
Uh, you can take Spotlight out of the picture and still have the same problem.
Originally posted by LudwigVan
As noted earlier, you can designate folders, files, and such that cannot be touched by Spotlight's search mechanism.
I brainstormed another question on this matter, something that I don't think has been brought up here yet. Say for the sake of security I lock out my digitized tax forms from my Mac's Spotlight indexing, like Xool. I subsequently make a backup of these files by burning them to a CD-ROM. Later, if another Mac user with Tiger were to pick up/steal that CD and copy the files onto their own computer, would their Spotlight indexer be able to read the tax files I secured on my computer?
I guess this question boils down to whether there is some kind of security-based metadata switch that accompanies every file, that switch (exclusive to Spotlight indexing, and separate from other methods of security like passwords?) flipped to "on" for "Index me!" or "off" for "Hide me."
If the files are encrypted Spotlight will be unable to parse and index the data, so this is a somewhat easy way to protect them plus the files can be password protected.
However, if you delete your original tax documents and the index isn't updated immediately, someone could dig around your Spotlight cache and find interesting data. I'm sure if you ran a search, it would cull the removed file from the results list, but is the data already removed from the index or is it just masked off?
Originally posted by smalM
I bought a D-Link DI-624+ and after two days of trouble with it I exchanged the antenna with a bigger one. Never had trouble again.
thanks for the handy tip. mine is D-Link DI-724P+ did you buy antenna from the dealer or third party antenna?
nothing but trouble since day one for two weeks. but just yesterday d-link tech support emailed firmware 1.03 which seems to stabilise the problem. apple iBook airport extreme has performed flawlessly regardless, but i think the DI-724 with this new firmware somehow prevents older wired/wireless cards from associating ~ i think they have an issue with mixing 10/100 ethernet and 802.11b and 802.11g and the airplus+ 54+mbps proprietary protocol or whatever