i agree. i'm an art director and have used a tablet to do retouching and drawing maybe 10 times in my 12 year career. i simply don't like them because there's too much dis-assocation between where i'm drawing and where that drawing is taking effect. plus, i really don't like that the screen is mapped absolutely to the tablet's surface. if i want to pull down a menu, i don't want to have to extend my arm all the way to the top of the tablet in order to do it.
i do know a lot of people who use them, but of the artists/graphic designers i know, probably only 1-2% of them use a tablet regularly.
I think you travel in an extremely small circle. Every digital forum I go to people swear by their tablets. I can't think of one digital artist that uses a mouse any more. (pro that is) Even when watching DVD's like from ILM, and wet digital that have some of the most famous digital painters, in world working for them. All you see are tablets. Comic book artists are the same way. It's rare to see someone not using a tablet. As for penciling, I still use a pencil all the time, but for painting there is nothing as intuitive as my WACOM. I prefer it over canvas. Less painting over, and I don't have to wait for it to dry.
Anyway, back to what FreeState said about the quarts composer update, or whatever it was. I think all that really says is they added a tilt feature to ink, or whatever, and also probably added it to their standard tablet drivers, and application core services support for Xcode.
well, i've been in the business for a pretty long time and in all of the large agencies i've worked i've only seen one or two art directors with a tablet. these are 100 person departments. sometimes the studio will have some around and some of them use tablets but it's just not that common. i've probably interacted with over 2000 art directors, designers and print production artists in my time and can count the number of tablets i've seen in use on both hands.
Also, he mentions in the forum that the Tapwave Zodiacs, with their analog motion control using a pressure-sensitive joystick, landscape/portrait rotation, etc, etc, will be supported "as well" in this coming release. Odd sense Tapwave is going out of business. Probably nothing but it raised a flag.
Erm... since when is Tapwave going out of business? They've been quiet for a long time... if you don't count creating drivers for wifi cards, an email app and a web browser for their Zodiacs. And they have been making noises about "working with other companies" to make their next generation of devices. But, I haven't heard anything about them closing doors.
OK, after reading that bit about the Zodiacs on Sallings website last week, I went to Tapwave's website to check them out to see what they were about. I know they have avenues other than the Zodiacs so what I should have said is discontinuing. That would have been the proper choice of words. Sorry to have offended.
I think you travel in an extremely small circle. Every digital forum I go to people swear by their tablets. I can't think of one digital artist that uses a mouse any more. (pro that is) Even when watching DVD's like from ILM, and wet digital that have some of the most famous digital painters, in world working for them. All you see are tablets. Comic book artists are the same way. It's rare to see someone not using a tablet. As for penciling, I still use a pencil all the time, but for painting there is nothing as intuitive as my WACOM. I prefer it over canvas. Less painting over, and I don't have to wait for it to dry.
I've worked for a number of agencies and interactive studios with some of the best interactive designers around and I haven't seen tablets all that much either. The two coworkers to my left are building a flash animated movie composited over some 3D (all on Mac, which is cool) and there's no call for a different input device to help. We do have one creative director in the other building who uses a Wacom though. It takes time to get used to these devices and the benefits aren't visibly notable... and we already spend way too much time at work anyway.
ILM is a subset of a subset of a subset. They by no means represent the industry in general unless you're considering that "large budget CGI film houses you can name". That's like 1% tops.
Beyond the thread-rot though, I do have to say that I think everyone sees the potential in a tablet for an interface / computer device. It seems that low-power embedded solutions can finally be manufactured in a price conscious way and actually be useful. I'd love to see Apple get it right and I think it's their "job" to do so.
Obviously allot of people have never worked on a tablet because you can't compare a mouse on any level. The tablet is far superior to the mouse for painting and drawing. Not to mention other input devices for 3d which allow you to work in a subtractive process more like sculpting than in an additive process. And what about a Newton-esque device with character recognition. Ever try to type while you holding you laptop? It doesn't work!
As long as it has some type of input keyboardish. Example, if it has something that could make it stand up (Think the first flatscreen display Apple made) and then one of those smart red projectet keyboards, then it would be pretty neat.
And still touchscreen with a pencil-thingy of course.
It could easily have a stand and have bluetooth and USB built in for keyboarding and mousing if desired.
But why carry all that extra crap with you. All they needs is to refine the current tablet flip screen laptop style, and everybody is happy. It adds a bunch of featreres to current laptops so there is no need to add another line of computers.
I said if desired. Heck, if for nothing else you could leave the mouse and keyboard at home on your kitchen counter and connect to them for inputing recipes or something. Whatever floats your boat, but the option could be available.
;-) Excellent. PM me and we'll figure out the details directly.
The currency rate between US and Aus sucks right now huh? I guess we can do paypal or whatever works.
PM me, cheers :-D
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Originally posted by benjamin_r
Your on...
You have got to be kidding. Let me ask you webmail: Do you still think this because of what Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini, said a few days ago when asked about Window's security, "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else."
I would like to join in on this bet. It ain't going to happen.
OK, after reading that bit about the Zodiacs on Sallings website last week, I went to Tapwave's website to check them out to see what they were about. I know they have avenues other than the Zodiacs so what I should have said is discontinuing. That would have been the proper choice of words. Sorry to have offended.
Oh, you didn't offend me. Just wanted to point out that Tapwave isn't dead yet. And, eventually, I'm sure the current Zodiacs will be discontinued. Just not yet.
But why carry all that extra crap with you. All they needs is to refine the current tablet flip screen laptop style, and everybody is happy. It adds a bunch of featreres to current laptops so there is no need to add another line of computers.
Ugh, I disagree completely. Those hybrid tablet-laptops are everything that's wrong with the current tablet offerings. It's more parts to break, adds to thickness and weight, and generally gives you the worst aspects of the two instead of the best.
I just want a tablet that's a tablet, with BlueTooth built in for those occasions when I'm at a desk and want a full keyboard. When on the move, sticking with the pen is best.
Well i'm game for a second bet. No reason I can't take two people's money. Is there some interface that we can do this in better? aka bodog.com (they dont' let you do personal bets)
But maybe a betting pool on this where anyone could bet with paypal would be cool.
I'm more certian on a tablet device than I am Intel processors, but my contact has never steered me wrong.
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Originally posted by rongold
You have got to be kidding. Let me ask you webmail: Do you still think this because of what Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini, said a few days ago when asked about Window's security, "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else."
I would like to join in on this bet. It ain't going to happen. [/QUOTE]
yep. i'm not saying tablets for graphic design are a bad thing, but they're certainly not very pervasive. i suppose i MIGHT get used to one but i don't have any issues with my workflow now. in photoshop i usually use shift-clicks to draw straight lines when i need them and if i don't i haven't had any problems using the mouse.
for me, the main issues is that i don't like having to actually position my hand on a large surface that is mapped directly to the screen area. it's just inconvenient. for instance, when i did use tablets in the past, when i would try to go up to the file menu, i would tend to swipe the pen straight off the work surface completely then have to put it back on the surface and re-orient where the pointer is.
in any case, none of that really applies to a tablet computer, which i would buy nearly instantaneously because the interface experience is completely different than a disconnected wacom tablet.
I could tell by your answers you were. Originally I made the mistake of assuming you were in the motion picture industry, and none of your answers were holding up. After a little rethinking advertising made a lot more sense for the answers you were giving.
WiMax is not a home wireless technology, but a long-range hi-bandwidth technology that will ultimately replace cable and landline telephone. That is to say, it is not a LAN replacement, but a broadband replacement. I hope that Apple is indeed buying such chips for a router; WiMax is a great technology (which the RBOCs will try to kill in any way fair or foul).
Yes, Intel does now own the ARM design, but they call it something else these days, I don't remember what. Such a chip might be good for a video iPod, or a PDA.
Arm is still used. There are about 8 ifferent variations. But Apple won't use it.
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Originally posted by cubist
As for Transitive's technology, I don't believe a word of it. I don't think it works. There is no 'silver bullet' to emulation.
I don't believe it either, but I do think there is something to be said for Apple's Web Services as it is used in distributed computing (XGrid). Look at the iTunes Music Store. The functions, methods and graphical interface are all provided by these services to both the PC and Mac, identically. Apple can serve multiple platforms without emulation, this has been proven with the iPod, iTunes AND the iTunes Music Store.
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Originally posted by cubist
I'm very tired of everyone jumping on any rumor that says 'tablet' and throwing out all the same old ideas again. By now, AppleInsider must have gigabytes of tablet threads.
It is entirely coincidental if anything is repeated as I am not a frequent reader here. I would now like to bring up something else that is new, I hope. Why would the editor that helped start MacMinute leave (as of last month) to start publishing online elsewhere. He has been publishing about 1 article a month for ipodlounge.com and continues to do so, but what is this related endevour he has announced and has in the planning? Why does he choose to leave now after 3 years. How can it be related to the Mac and the iPod?
And Why would Larry Ellison be so interested in buying PeopleSoft? We all know he is particularly close to Steve and worships the ground he walks on. He was also a big proponent of net clients/thin clients. What if, he knew why PeopleSoft was so supportive of Safari and its technologies. What if he knew what Apple had coming down the pike? I am of course not saying anything definitive here, but yet I AM inferring.
I just want a tablet that's a tablet, with BlueTooth built in for those occasions when I'm at a desk and want a full keyboard. When on the move, sticking with the pen is best.
Has anyone seen this technology this technology from IBM? Most people can get pretty quick at entering text using something like this. Who needs a keyboard?!
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Originally posted by admactanium
i agree. i'm an art director and have used a tablet to do retouching and drawing maybe 10 times in my 12 year career. i simply don't like them because there's too much dis-assocation between where i'm drawing and where that drawing is taking effect. plus, i really don't like that the screen is mapped absolutely to the tablet's surface. if i want to pull down a menu, i don't want to have to extend my arm all the way to the top of the tablet in order to do it.
i do know a lot of people who use them, but of the artists/graphic designers i know, probably only 1-2% of them use a tablet regularly.
I think you travel in an extremely small circle. Every digital forum I go to people swear by their tablets. I can't think of one digital artist that uses a mouse any more. (pro that is) Even when watching DVD's like from ILM, and wet digital that have some of the most famous digital painters, in world working for them. All you see are tablets. Comic book artists are the same way. It's rare to see someone not using a tablet. As for penciling, I still use a pencil all the time, but for painting there is nothing as intuitive as my WACOM. I prefer it over canvas. Less painting over, and I don't have to wait for it to dry.
Anyway, back to what FreeState said about the quarts composer update, or whatever it was. I think all that really says is they added a tilt feature to ink, or whatever, and also probably added it to their standard tablet drivers, and application core services support for Xcode.
Originally posted by rongold
Also, he mentions in the forum that the Tapwave Zodiacs, with their analog motion control using a pressure-sensitive joystick, landscape/portrait rotation, etc, etc, will be supported "as well" in this coming release. Odd sense Tapwave is going out of business. Probably nothing but it raised a flag.
Erm... since when is Tapwave going out of business? They've been quiet for a long time... if you don't count creating drivers for wifi cards, an email app and a web browser for their Zodiacs. And they have been making noises about "working with other companies" to make their next generation of devices. But, I haven't heard anything about them closing doors.
I think you travel in an extremely small circle. Every digital forum I go to people swear by their tablets. I can't think of one digital artist that uses a mouse any more. (pro that is) Even when watching DVD's like from ILM, and wet digital that have some of the most famous digital painters, in world working for them. All you see are tablets. Comic book artists are the same way. It's rare to see someone not using a tablet. As for penciling, I still use a pencil all the time, but for painting there is nothing as intuitive as my WACOM. I prefer it over canvas. Less painting over, and I don't have to wait for it to dry.
I've worked for a number of agencies and interactive studios with some of the best interactive designers around and I haven't seen tablets all that much either. The two coworkers to my left are building a flash animated movie composited over some 3D (all on Mac, which is cool) and there's no call for a different input device to help. We do have one creative director in the other building who uses a Wacom though. It takes time to get used to these devices and the benefits aren't visibly notable... and we already spend way too much time at work anyway.
ILM is a subset of a subset of a subset. They by no means represent the industry in general unless you're considering that "large budget CGI film houses you can name". That's like 1% tops.
Beyond the thread-rot though, I do have to say that I think everyone sees the potential in a tablet for an interface / computer device. It seems that low-power embedded solutions can finally be manufactured in a price conscious way and actually be useful. I'd love to see Apple get it right and I think it's their "job" to do so.
Perhaps I do work differently than most.
There are a number of these...
http://www.goelectronic.com/store/ho...n_remotes.html
Most have some buttons too.
And still touchscreen with a pencil-thingy of course.
Originally posted by CosmoNut
It could easily have a stand and have bluetooth and USB built in for keyboarding and mousing if desired.
But why carry all that extra crap with you. All they needs is to refine the current tablet flip screen laptop style, and everybody is happy. It adds a bunch of featreres to current laptops so there is no need to add another line of computers.
Originally posted by onlooker
But why carry all that extra crap with you.
I said if desired. Heck, if for nothing else you could leave the mouse and keyboard at home on your kitchen counter and connect to them for inputing recipes or something. Whatever floats your boat, but the option could be available.
Originally posted by webmail
;-) Excellent. PM me and we'll figure out the details directly.
The currency rate between US and Aus sucks right now huh? I guess we can do paypal or whatever works.
PM me, cheers :-D
Originally posted by benjamin_r
Your on...
You have got to be kidding. Let me ask you webmail: Do you still think this because of what Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini, said a few days ago when asked about Window's security, "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else."
I would like to join in on this bet. It ain't going to happen.
Originally posted by rongold
OK, after reading that bit about the Zodiacs on Sallings website last week, I went to Tapwave's website to check them out to see what they were about. I know they have avenues other than the Zodiacs so what I should have said is discontinuing. That would have been the proper choice of words. Sorry to have offended.
Oh, you didn't offend me. Just wanted to point out that Tapwave isn't dead yet. And, eventually, I'm sure the current Zodiacs will be discontinued. Just not yet.
Originally posted by onlooker
But why carry all that extra crap with you. All they needs is to refine the current tablet flip screen laptop style, and everybody is happy. It adds a bunch of featreres to current laptops so there is no need to add another line of computers.
Ugh, I disagree completely. Those hybrid tablet-laptops are everything that's wrong with the current tablet offerings. It's more parts to break, adds to thickness and weight, and generally gives you the worst aspects of the two instead of the best.
I just want a tablet that's a tablet, with BlueTooth built in for those occasions when I'm at a desk and want a full keyboard. When on the move, sticking with the pen is best.
But maybe a betting pool on this where anyone could bet with paypal would be cool.
I'm more certian on a tablet device than I am Intel processors, but my contact has never steered me wrong.
Originally posted by rongold
You have got to be kidding. Let me ask you webmail: Do you still think this because of what Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini, said a few days ago when asked about Window's security, "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else."
I would like to join in on this bet. It ain't going to happen. [/QUOTE]
Originally posted by onlooker
I take it your in advertising?
yep. i'm not saying tablets for graphic design are a bad thing, but they're certainly not very pervasive. i suppose i MIGHT get used to one but i don't have any issues with my workflow now. in photoshop i usually use shift-clicks to draw straight lines when i need them and if i don't i haven't had any problems using the mouse.
for me, the main issues is that i don't like having to actually position my hand on a large surface that is mapped directly to the screen area. it's just inconvenient. for instance, when i did use tablets in the past, when i would try to go up to the file menu, i would tend to swipe the pen straight off the work surface completely then have to put it back on the surface and re-orient where the pointer is.
in any case, none of that really applies to a tablet computer, which i would buy nearly instantaneously because the interface experience is completely different than a disconnected wacom tablet.
Originally posted by cubist
WiMax is not a home wireless technology, but a long-range hi-bandwidth technology that will ultimately replace cable and landline telephone. That is to say, it is not a LAN replacement, but a broadband replacement. I hope that Apple is indeed buying such chips for a router; WiMax is a great technology (which the RBOCs will try to kill in any way fair or foul).
Yes, Intel does now own the ARM design, but they call it something else these days, I don't remember what. Such a chip might be good for a video iPod, or a PDA.
Arm is still used. There are about 8 ifferent variations. But Apple won't use it.
Originally posted by cubist
As for Transitive's technology, I don't believe a word of it. I don't think it works. There is no 'silver bullet' to emulation.
I don't believe it either, but I do think there is something to be said for Apple's Web Services as it is used in distributed computing (XGrid). Look at the iTunes Music Store. The functions, methods and graphical interface are all provided by these services to both the PC and Mac, identically. Apple can serve multiple platforms without emulation, this has been proven with the iPod, iTunes AND the iTunes Music Store.
Originally posted by cubist
I'm very tired of everyone jumping on any rumor that says 'tablet' and throwing out all the same old ideas again. By now, AppleInsider must have gigabytes of tablet threads.
It is entirely coincidental if anything is repeated as I am not a frequent reader here. I would now like to bring up something else that is new, I hope. Why would the editor that helped start MacMinute leave (as of last month) to start publishing online elsewhere. He has been publishing about 1 article a month for ipodlounge.com and continues to do so, but what is this related endevour he has announced and has in the planning? Why does he choose to leave now after 3 years. How can it be related to the Mac and the iPod?
And Why would Larry Ellison be so interested in buying PeopleSoft? We all know he is particularly close to Steve and worships the ground he walks on. He was also a big proponent of net clients/thin clients. What if, he knew why PeopleSoft was so supportive of Safari and its technologies. What if he knew what Apple had coming down the pike? I am of course not saying anything definitive here, but yet I AM inferring.
Originally posted by Kesh
I just want a tablet that's a tablet, with BlueTooth built in for those occasions when I'm at a desk and want a full keyboard. When on the move, sticking with the pen is best.
Has anyone seen this technology this technology from IBM? Most people can get pretty quick at entering text using something like this. Who needs a keyboard?!
There also is a demo video.