As to this rumor that 10.4.2 is "around the corner."
Unless something has drastically changed, this is not true. I think Apple is trying to get Tiger actually working for 10.4.2. The .1 release was mostly stuff they had on the shelf prior to launch. I think .2 is the serious bug fixing post live.
But, things change. And I could be wrong, but this is not my understanding. Maybe the big bugs are taking longer than expected and .2 will be another minor update.
Personally, I hope this is a 150mb+ update. Yes, Tiger is that buggy.
It's showing up on the developer's site now as a 43MB update. I don't think it'll get much bigger than that. I say 2 weeks and it'll be out.
Instead of two weeks, or the middle of June as is speculated, I'd much rather Apple take its time with this revision and get everything working right rather than punching it out as quickly as possible.
Although I've not had any real issues to date, I can't help but agree with John Gruber's description of this being the "buggiest release of an OS" to date. It seems that as soon as we all update we're craving for the next patch to correct existing problems that were overlooked or, alternatively, new problems that have emerged that should never have arisen in the first place. And so now it seems that more people are complaining and the patch rate is nearing a similar schedule to that which I followed when running 'the other operating system.'
They can scrap Spotlight! Or make it better. Can anyone say too much info? It is way too much of a pain to search for something now. I am sick of weeding through all the pdfs and icons to find that it isn't even listing my text document by the exact name.
They can scrap Spotlight! Or make it better. Can anyone say too much info? It is way too much of a pain to search for something now. I am sick of weeding through all the pdfs and icons to find that it isn't even listing my text document by the exact name.
Yeah the whole Spotlight-Finder integration thing is a little bit rough around the edges still. Tiger was definitely shipped for a deadline. However I hope and think Apple will iron this out with .x.x releases.
Yeah the whole Spotlight-Finder integration thing is a little bit rough around the edges still. Tiger was definitely shipped for a deadline. However I hope and think Apple will iron this out with .x.x releases.
I think it'll be a 10.5 release. It seems weird, Panther finished off OS X as far as getting the OS 9 features and making it the first proper version of the OS. Tiger seems to have stepped back with dashboard lacking the OS X feel - no menu bar, contextual menus, no clear way to delete widgets. And spotlight - no easy way to index files, can't be turned off.
Apple used to be easier to use and didn't require the user to learn about the library and UNIX - these are required for the Spotlight functions I mentioned above. Apple need to polish these and next time they introduce a feature it should be finished.
Pages is a pathetic first attempt - like Keynote was - do we have to wait till 10.5 for a proper version?
I think it'll be a 10.5 release. It seems weird, Panther finished off OS X as far as getting the OS 9 features and making it the first proper version of the OS. Tiger seems to have stepped back with dashboard lacking the OS X feel - no menu bar, contextual menus, no clear way to delete widgets. And spotlight - no easy way to index files, can't be turned off.
Apple used to be easier to use and didn't require the user to learn about the library and UNIX - these are required for the Spotlight functions I mentioned above. Apple need to polish these and next time they introduce a feature it should be finished.
Pages is a pathetic first attempt - like Keynote was - do we have to wait till 10.5 for a proper version?
I don't know what you're talking about, I think Pages is a beautiful app.
It's easy to use, it works (despite 1 bug I found involving the colour picker) and it exports in all the formats one could need at this point, plus it works seamlessly with the rest of the OS.
It's only going to get better, let's just remember that when we're complaining.
Oh, and it kicks the CR*P out of MS Word in my opinion.. So be gentle.. Sheesh, at least Appleworks is finally gone!
I don't know what you're talking about, I think Pages is a beautiful app.
It's easy to use, it works (despite 1 bug I found involving the colour picker) and it exports in all the formats one could need at this point, plus it works seamlessly with the rest of the OS.
It's only going to get better, let's just remember that when we're complaining.
Oh, and it kicks the CR*P out of MS Word in my opinion.. So be gentle.. Sheesh, at least Appleworks is finally gone!
Jimzip
It's more difficult to use than AppleWorks it doesn't have basic word processing tools and it's just unfinished. This is like Keynote a year ago. There is potential in Pages but it shouldn't have been released in this state. Also a word processor and a DTP program is a brave mix because neither of those functions work for me in the way that Pages is presented. For writing text edit, word or AppleWorks. For DTP InDesign. I know Apple want a Publisher and Word mix but word processing just isn't good enough.
Keynote was lacking advanced features (and basic) in version 1 but these are now here and Keynote beats PowerPoint hands down. Pages fails to export to PDF properly and lacks a word count - a school pupils favourite tool!
I think it'll be a 10.5 release. It seems weird, Panther finished off OS X as far as getting the OS 9 features and making it the first proper version of the OS. Tiger seems to have stepped back with dashboard lacking the OS X feel - no menu bar, contextual menus, no clear way to delete widgets. And spotlight - no easy way to index files, can't be turned off.
I agree. In fact I could go to some length and say I *hate* dashboard. The concept; all the useful info I want is there at a button press is great, but in practice I find myself needing the memory back from dashboard. There should be a way to quit dashboard altogether.
As for deleting widgets, indeed. Big improvements to come for this I hope. All I want is somewhere to put quick notes and a calculator, the weather is a bonus. I have found a few widgets that can be useful, but I tend to use them as normal apps, opening when wanted and closing when done.
I agree. In fact I could go to some length and say I *hate* dashboard. The concept; all the useful info I want is there at a button press is great, but in practice I find myself needing the memory back from dashboard. There should be a way to quit dashboard altogether.
As for deleting widgets, indeed. Big improvements to come for this I hope. All I want is somewhere to put quick notes and a calculator, the weather is a bonus. I have found a few widgets that can be useful, but I tend to use them as normal apps, opening when wanted and closing when done.
Also you can't see dashboards in the normal view. Also it's quicker to open calculator then open up dashboard and find it! It needs polishing.
I have no problems what so ever with tiger. Loving every minute. Made the jump from windows and would never look back. Not come across any bugs yet
Dashboard works brilliantly, Spot light superb.
I'm running a PM with only 512mb of ram.
Well I'm happy enough!
BUT being used to Apple's notorious ease-of-use and design I feel Tiger is a let-down. It just doesn't feel polished - it feels like a beta. I don't know why this is but there's something unfinished about it.
BUT being used to Apple's notorious ease-of-use and design I feel Tiger is a let-down. It just doesn't feel polished - it feels like a beta. I don't know why this is but there's something unfinished about it.
it is unfinished because it is a gateway to a wonderful new era
the 2nd half of this decade is going to be awesome for the Mac...
Comments
Originally posted by kwsanders
You do know that Dashboard widgets do not use any processing time when the Dashboard is not visible, right?
they do use memory though.
Originally posted by BWhaler
One other thing...
As to this rumor that 10.4.2 is "around the corner."
Unless something has drastically changed, this is not true. I think Apple is trying to get Tiger actually working for 10.4.2. The .1 release was mostly stuff they had on the shelf prior to launch. I think .2 is the serious bug fixing post live.
But, things change. And I could be wrong, but this is not my understanding. Maybe the big bugs are taking longer than expected and .2 will be another minor update.
Personally, I hope this is a 150mb+ update. Yes, Tiger is that buggy.
It's showing up on the developer's site now as a 43MB update. I don't think it'll get much bigger than that. I say 2 weeks and it'll be out.
Although I've not had any real issues to date, I can't help but agree with John Gruber's description of this being the "buggiest release of an OS" to date. It seems that as soon as we all update we're craving for the next patch to correct existing problems that were overlooked or, alternatively, new problems that have emerged that should never have arisen in the first place. And so now it seems that more people are complaining and the patch rate is nearing a similar schedule to that which I followed when running 'the other operating system.'
Edit: spelling.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
they do use memory though.
Yes, that is true. I don't notice it with 3 gig of RAM, though.
Originally posted by techno
They can scrap Spotlight! Or make it better. Can anyone say too much info? It is way too much of a pain to search for something now. I am sick of weeding through all the pdfs and icons to find that it isn't even listing my text document by the exact name.
it's finding all your pr0n huh?
Originally posted by Aquatic
Yeah the whole Spotlight-Finder integration thing is a little bit rough around the edges still. Tiger was definitely shipped for a deadline. However I hope and think Apple will iron this out with .x.x releases.
I think it'll be a 10.5 release. It seems weird, Panther finished off OS X as far as getting the OS 9 features and making it the first proper version of the OS. Tiger seems to have stepped back with dashboard lacking the OS X feel - no menu bar, contextual menus, no clear way to delete widgets. And spotlight - no easy way to index files, can't be turned off.
Apple used to be easier to use and didn't require the user to learn about the library and UNIX - these are required for the Spotlight functions I mentioned above. Apple need to polish these and next time they introduce a feature it should be finished.
Pages is a pathetic first attempt - like Keynote was - do we have to wait till 10.5 for a proper version?
but keynote2 beats powerpoint anyday, hands down, both eyes closed, and two thumbs up its a55.
my system profiler shows that my ati mobility radeon 9200 32mb supports Quartz Extreme
Originally posted by MacCrazy
I think it'll be a 10.5 release. It seems weird, Panther finished off OS X as far as getting the OS 9 features and making it the first proper version of the OS. Tiger seems to have stepped back with dashboard lacking the OS X feel - no menu bar, contextual menus, no clear way to delete widgets. And spotlight - no easy way to index files, can't be turned off.
Apple used to be easier to use and didn't require the user to learn about the library and UNIX - these are required for the Spotlight functions I mentioned above. Apple need to polish these and next time they introduce a feature it should be finished.
Pages is a pathetic first attempt - like Keynote was - do we have to wait till 10.5 for a proper version?
I don't know what you're talking about, I think Pages is a beautiful app.
It's easy to use, it works (despite 1 bug I found involving the colour picker) and it exports in all the formats one could need at this point, plus it works seamlessly with the rest of the OS.
It's only going to get better, let's just remember that when we're complaining.
Oh, and it kicks the CR*P out of MS Word in my opinion.. So be gentle.. Sheesh, at least Appleworks is finally gone!
Jimzip
Originally posted by Jimzip
I don't know what you're talking about, I think Pages is a beautiful app.
It's easy to use, it works (despite 1 bug I found involving the colour picker) and it exports in all the formats one could need at this point, plus it works seamlessly with the rest of the OS.
It's only going to get better, let's just remember that when we're complaining.
Oh, and it kicks the CR*P out of MS Word in my opinion.. So be gentle.. Sheesh, at least Appleworks is finally gone!
Jimzip
It's more difficult to use than AppleWorks it doesn't have basic word processing tools and it's just unfinished. This is like Keynote a year ago. There is potential in Pages but it shouldn't have been released in this state. Also a word processor and a DTP program is a brave mix because neither of those functions work for me in the way that Pages is presented. For writing text edit, word or AppleWorks. For DTP InDesign. I know Apple want a Publisher and Word mix but word processing just isn't good enough.
Keynote was lacking advanced features (and basic) in version 1 but these are now here and Keynote beats PowerPoint hands down. Pages fails to export to PDF properly and lacks a word count - a school pupils favourite tool!
Originally posted by MacCrazy
I think it'll be a 10.5 release. It seems weird, Panther finished off OS X as far as getting the OS 9 features and making it the first proper version of the OS. Tiger seems to have stepped back with dashboard lacking the OS X feel - no menu bar, contextual menus, no clear way to delete widgets. And spotlight - no easy way to index files, can't be turned off.
I agree. In fact I could go to some length and say I *hate* dashboard. The concept; all the useful info I want is there at a button press is great, but in practice I find myself needing the memory back from dashboard. There should be a way to quit dashboard altogether.
As for deleting widgets, indeed. Big improvements to come for this I hope. All I want is somewhere to put quick notes and a calculator, the weather is a bonus. I have found a few widgets that can be useful, but I tend to use them as normal apps, opening when wanted and closing when done.
Originally posted by danielctull
I agree. In fact I could go to some length and say I *hate* dashboard. The concept; all the useful info I want is there at a button press is great, but in practice I find myself needing the memory back from dashboard. There should be a way to quit dashboard altogether.
As for deleting widgets, indeed. Big improvements to come for this I hope. All I want is somewhere to put quick notes and a calculator, the weather is a bonus. I have found a few widgets that can be useful, but I tend to use them as normal apps, opening when wanted and closing when done.
Also you can't see dashboards in the normal view. Also it's quicker to open calculator then open up dashboard and find it! It needs polishing.
Dashboard works brilliantly, Spot light superb.
I'm running a PM with only 512mb of ram.
Well I'm happy enough!
Originally posted by jimbo123
I have no problems what so ever with tiger. Loving every minute. Made the jump from windows and would never look back. Not come across any bugs yet
Dashboard works brilliantly, Spot light superb.
I'm running a PM with only 512mb of ram.
Well I'm happy enough!
BUT being used to Apple's notorious ease-of-use and design I feel Tiger is a let-down. It just doesn't feel polished - it feels like a beta. I don't know why this is but there's something unfinished about it.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
BUT being used to Apple's notorious ease-of-use and design I feel Tiger is a let-down. It just doesn't feel polished - it feels like a beta. I don't know why this is but there's something unfinished about it.
it is unfinished because it is a gateway to a wonderful new era
the 2nd half of this decade is going to be awesome for the Mac...