My opinion is tiger needs a lot of resources and the more powerful mac the better. I wouldn't like to run tiger on a G4 processor unless I had a lot of memory and a good graphics card.
I can't comment on past OS X versions but I remember testing all the different macs at a local store and found all the macs running 256mb just was too slow
even the powerbooks with 512mb just was not a patch on the PM.
For me its simple tiger really needs 512 ram with a G5 processor and at least
My opinion is tiger needs a lot of resources and the more powerful mac the better. I wouldn't like to run tiger on a G4 processor unless I had a lot of memory and a good graphics card.
I can't comment on past OS X versions but I remember testing all the different macs at a local store and found all the macs running 256mb just was too slow
even the powerbooks with 512mb just was not a patch on the PM.
For me its simple tiger really needs 512 ram with a G5 processor and at least
128mb Graphics card.
and I think that's a problem - Tiger should run properly on all current computers - we criticise windows for its high specs but Macs are nearly as bad.
battery consumption takes a hit, but for the killer wireless signal improvement, i'm willing to live with it for now.
as for RAM, well, you'll always want more RAM i suppose \
i honestly feel that 10.4.1 is smoother than 10.3.9 though even with several widgets on dashboard, etc, etc... not too much beachballing, and 10.4.1 loads up f8cking FAST.
i've molested the .plist to force quartz 2d extreme on my iBook g4 ati mobility 9200, so core image is doing pretty good now, no artifacts or errors seen so far.
and I think that's a problem - Tiger should run properly on all current computers - we criticise windows for its high specs but Macs are nearly as bad.
i would have to disagree. (see my posts above). i may be lucky though
I'll vouch that 10.4 is faster than 10.3.9 on my 12" 1.33Ghz, 512MB Ram, 64MB VRam PowerBook. It's just a shame that dashboard is such a resource hog. And really dashboard is my only qualm with Tiger, and even then it is a love/hate relationship depending on whether or not I need all my system resources to rip a DVD with HandBrake or play a H.264 encoded video. All that it needs for me is an on/off button; not like the F12 show button a full OFF button. I don't mind waiting a few seconds for it to reload.
when quartz extreme is enabled will it make a huge differnce?
Maybe thats the answer for people not happy with the speed/snapiness?
hmmm.... yes and no
i would suggest 512mb ram minimum, 1+ ghz G4, and force-enable quartz extreme as an overall package of tweaks for people unsatisfied with their performance...
this plus using dashboard widgets conservatively
and also waiting for 10.4.2 and apple and dashboard developers to tweak the dashboard API
i think that's why WWDC is important and they wanted Tiger out. Core Image, Dashboard, H.264, all a lot of good stuff there in Tiger, but let the tweaking begin...!!
(edit)
i haven't tried developing in Dashboard so i'm only perceiving it from an end user, but i have to concede the API needs a little more 'discipline' in terms of widgets accessing CPU, RAM, internet connections, system-level info
btw, for all my Tiger cheerleading, i simply refuse to use the iTunes widget, but in any case i believe Apple has set off upon the right path
When will X11 be included again? I found the installer folder in Applications and there it was, yet when I installed it, nothing appeared. I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. I tried opening the Excel sheet with the Appleworks included with my new 2.0 GHz iMac and it won't open it either. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian
When will X11 be included again? I found the installer folder in Applications and there it was, yet when I installed it, nothing appeared. I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. I tried opening the Excel sheet with the Appleworks included with my new 2.0 GHz iMac and it won't open it either. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian
umm try install xcode developer tools on the Tiger dvd? i think that installs x11, but i could be just talking out of my ass. \
sunilraman, sorry but that didn't work either. XTools is now installed but Spotlight still brings up nothing for Apps. I'm surprised that something like X11 wouldn't come with Tiger. Anyone have anymore info on this matter? Perhaps a later version of Tiger will have it?
Thanks,
Brian
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Originally posted by sunilraman
umm try install xcode developer tools on the Tiger dvd? i think that installs x11, but i could be just talking out of my ass. \
sunilraman, sorry but that didn't work either. XTools is now installed but Spotlight still brings up nothing for Apps. I'm surprised that something like X11 wouldn't come with Tiger. Anyone have anymore info on this matter? Perhaps a later version of Tiger will have it?
Thanks,
Brian
It's in the Xcode Tools installer. Just installed it last night
It's in the Xcode Tools installer. Just installed it last night
You probably also have to note that I'm not installing with a Tiger DVD. I bought a new 2.0 GHz iMac and it came all preinstalled. The installation discs don't allow me to install just X11. I could wipe my hard drive and install new and then hope I can click the X11 box. How could Apple screw up something so easy? They should have just installed EVERYTHING on my iMac and then let me decide what I wanted and what I didn't. Unless they come out with a separate installer I guess I'm just SOL.
by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?
OK let me get this straight. They did NOT increase the Quartz Extreme reqs, right? It would still be on for a 867mhz PowerBook G4 12" right? I just can't use Quartz 2D.
Also, is there a way to kill Dashboard? What's it called in the process manager. I agree, they should REALLY add an OFF button. There needs to be a Dashboard Pref Pane, with an OFF button.
Also, is there a way to kill Dashboard? What's it called in the process manager. I agree, they should REALLY add an OFF button. There needs to be a Dashboard Pref Pane, with an OFF button.
WHYYYYYY
The dashboard is a subprocess of the dock.. if you have no widgets open then it uses NO MEMORY.. the dock uses under 5mb alone.
Are you one of the people who also hates the dock?
I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. *snip*. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian
Brian,
Have you tried NeoOffice/J? This is basically a Mac version of OpenOffice.Org. I use it and am happy with it except for the fact that it takes a long time to load (just like OO.O). This does not require X11.
by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?
You probably also have to note that I'm not installing with a Tiger DVD. I bought a new 2.0 GHz iMac and it came all preinstalled. The installation discs don't allow me to install just X11. I could wipe my hard drive and install new and then hope I can click the X11 box. How could Apple screw up something so easy? They should have just installed EVERYTHING on my iMac and then let me decide what I wanted and what I didn't. Unless they come out with a separate installer I guess I'm just SOL.
by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?
Gene Clean, I had thought of that as well, but scope out the post date of October 28, 2003. Even more interesting is the fact that I tried installing it again and this time took a screenshot of the result. I'd attach the pic but I don't know how.
There in the pic is says that newer software already exists on this computer. If Finder can't find it and Spotlight can't find it, where is it? Is it hidden until a later version of Tiger?
I did a complete reinstall with the system discs that came with the 2.0 GHz iMac and no such option exists to select which software you want to install. Apparently, that feature exists only with separate Tiger distros.
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I can't comment on past OS X versions but I remember testing all the different macs at a local store and found all the macs running 256mb just was too slow
even the powerbooks with 512mb just was not a patch on the PM.
For me its simple tiger really needs 512 ram with a G5 processor and at least
128mb Graphics card.
Originally posted by jimbo123
My opinion is tiger needs a lot of resources and the more powerful mac the better. I wouldn't like to run tiger on a G4 processor unless I had a lot of memory and a good graphics card.
I can't comment on past OS X versions but I remember testing all the different macs at a local store and found all the macs running 256mb just was too slow
even the powerbooks with 512mb just was not a patch on the PM.
For me its simple tiger really needs 512 ram with a G5 processor and at least
128mb Graphics card.
and I think that's a problem - Tiger should run properly on all current computers - we criticise windows for its high specs but Macs are nearly as bad.
as for RAM, well, you'll always want more RAM i suppose
i honestly feel that 10.4.1 is smoother than 10.3.9 though even with several widgets on dashboard, etc, etc... not too much beachballing, and 10.4.1 loads up f8cking FAST.
i've molested the .plist to force quartz 2d extreme on my iBook g4 ati mobility 9200, so core image is doing pretty good now, no artifacts or errors seen so far.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
and I think that's a problem - Tiger should run properly on all current computers - we criticise windows for its high specs but Macs are nearly as bad.
i would have to disagree. (see my posts above). i may be lucky though
(iBook g4 933mhz 256mb ram, 1.5 years old)
Maybe thats the answer for people not happy with the speed/snapiness?
Originally posted by jimbo123
when quartz extreme is enabled will it make a huge differnce?
Maybe thats the answer for people not happy with the speed/snapiness?
hmmm.... yes and no
i would suggest 512mb ram minimum, 1+ ghz G4, and force-enable quartz extreme as an overall package of tweaks for people unsatisfied with their performance...
this plus using dashboard widgets conservatively
and also waiting for 10.4.2 and apple and dashboard developers to tweak the dashboard API
i think that's why WWDC is important and they wanted Tiger out. Core Image, Dashboard, H.264, all a lot of good stuff there in Tiger, but let the tweaking begin...!!
(edit)
i haven't tried developing in Dashboard so i'm only perceiving it from an end user, but i have to concede the API needs a little more 'discipline' in terms of widgets accessing CPU, RAM, internet connections, system-level info
btw, for all my Tiger cheerleading, i simply refuse to use the iTunes widget, but in any case i believe Apple has set off upon the right path
Originally posted by Brian Green
When will X11 be included again? I found the installer folder in Applications and there it was, yet when I installed it, nothing appeared. I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. I tried opening the Excel sheet with the Appleworks included with my new 2.0 GHz iMac and it won't open it either. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian
umm try install xcode developer tools on the Tiger dvd? i think that installs x11, but i could be just talking out of my ass.
Thanks,
Brian
Originally posted by sunilraman
umm try install xcode developer tools on the Tiger dvd? i think that installs x11, but i could be just talking out of my ass.
Originally posted by Brian Green
sunilraman, sorry but that didn't work either. XTools is now installed but Spotlight still brings up nothing for Apps. I'm surprised that something like X11 wouldn't come with Tiger. Anyone have anymore info on this matter? Perhaps a later version of Tiger will have it?
Thanks,
Brian
It's in the Xcode Tools installer. Just installed it last night
Originally posted by gregmightdothat
It's in the Xcode Tools installer. Just installed it last night
You probably also have to note that I'm not installing with a Tiger DVD. I bought a new 2.0 GHz iMac and it came all preinstalled. The installation discs don't allow me to install just X11. I could wipe my hard drive and install new and then hope I can click the X11 box. How could Apple screw up something so easy? They should have just installed EVERYTHING on my iMac and then let me decide what I wanted and what I didn't. Unless they come out with a separate installer I guess I'm just SOL.
by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?
Also, is there a way to kill Dashboard? What's it called in the process manager. I agree, they should REALLY add an OFF button. There needs to be a Dashboard Pref Pane, with an OFF button.
Originally posted by Aquatic
Also, is there a way to kill Dashboard? What's it called in the process manager. I agree, they should REALLY add an OFF button. There needs to be a Dashboard Pref Pane, with an OFF button.
WHYYYYYY
The dashboard is a subprocess of the dock.. if you have no widgets open then it uses NO MEMORY.. the dock uses under 5mb alone.
Are you one of the people who also hates the dock?
Originally posted by Brian Green
I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. *snip*. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian
Brian,
Have you tried NeoOffice/J? This is basically a Mac version of OpenOffice.Org. I use it and am happy with it except for the fact that it takes a long time to load (just like OO.O). This does not require X11.
Cheers
Originally posted by Brian Green
by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos...formacosx.html
Originally posted by Jimzip
[Oh, and it kicks the CR*P out of MS Word in my opinion.. So be gentle.. Sheesh,
I had a resume from someone last night that would not open properly in Pages. There were some border outlines from Word that it did not like.
Originally posted by Brian Green
You probably also have to note that I'm not installing with a Tiger DVD. I bought a new 2.0 GHz iMac and it came all preinstalled. The installation discs don't allow me to install just X11. I could wipe my hard drive and install new and then hope I can click the X11 box. How could Apple screw up something so easy? They should have just installed EVERYTHING on my iMac and then let me decide what I wanted and what I didn't. Unless they come out with a separate installer I guess I'm just SOL.
by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?
You have to do a custom install.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos...formacosx.html
Gene Clean, I had thought of that as well, but scope out the post date of October 28, 2003. Even more interesting is the fact that I tried installing it again and this time took a screenshot of the result. I'd attach the pic but I don't know how.
There in the pic is says that newer software already exists on this computer. If Finder can't find it and Spotlight can't find it, where is it? Is it hidden until a later version of Tiger?
I did a complete reinstall with the system discs that came with the 2.0 GHz iMac and no such option exists to select which software you want to install. Apparently, that feature exists only with separate Tiger distros.