News Flash: Mac OS X 10.4.2 around the corner

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  • Reply 41 of 74
    jimbo123jimbo123 Posts: 153member
    My opinion is tiger needs a lot of resources and the more powerful mac the better. I wouldn't like to run tiger on a G4 processor unless I had a lot of memory and a good graphics card.



    I can't comment on past OS X versions but I remember testing all the different macs at a local store and found all the macs running 256mb just was too slow

    even the powerbooks with 512mb just was not a patch on the PM.



    For me its simple tiger really needs 512 ram with a G5 processor and at least

    128mb Graphics card.
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  • Reply 42 of 74
    maccrazymaccrazy Posts: 2,658member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by jimbo123

    My opinion is tiger needs a lot of resources and the more powerful mac the better. I wouldn't like to run tiger on a G4 processor unless I had a lot of memory and a good graphics card.



    I can't comment on past OS X versions but I remember testing all the different macs at a local store and found all the macs running 256mb just was too slow

    even the powerbooks with 512mb just was not a patch on the PM.



    For me its simple tiger really needs 512 ram with a G5 processor and at least

    128mb Graphics card.




    and I think that's a problem - Tiger should run properly on all current computers - we criticise windows for its high specs but Macs are nearly as bad.
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  • Reply 43 of 74
    sunilramansunilraman Posts: 8,133member
    battery consumption takes a hit, but for the killer wireless signal improvement, i'm willing to live with it for now.



    as for RAM, well, you'll always want more RAM i suppose \



    i honestly feel that 10.4.1 is smoother than 10.3.9 though even with several widgets on dashboard, etc, etc... not too much beachballing, and 10.4.1 loads up f8cking FAST.



    i've molested the .plist to force quartz 2d extreme on my iBook g4 ati mobility 9200, so core image is doing pretty good now, no artifacts or errors seen so far.



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  • Reply 44 of 74
    sunilramansunilraman Posts: 8,133member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by MacCrazy

    and I think that's a problem - Tiger should run properly on all current computers - we criticise windows for its high specs but Macs are nearly as bad.



    i would have to disagree. (see my posts above). i may be lucky though

    (iBook g4 933mhz 256mb ram, 1.5 years old)
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  • Reply 45 of 74
    danielctulldanielctull Posts: 586member
    I'll vouch that 10.4 is faster than 10.3.9 on my 12" 1.33Ghz, 512MB Ram, 64MB VRam PowerBook. It's just a shame that dashboard is such a resource hog. And really dashboard is my only qualm with Tiger, and even then it is a love/hate relationship depending on whether or not I need all my system resources to rip a DVD with HandBrake or play a H.264 encoded video. All that it needs for me is an on/off button; not like the F12 show button a full OFF button. I don't mind waiting a few seconds for it to reload.
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  • Reply 46 of 74
    jimbo123jimbo123 Posts: 153member
    when quartz extreme is enabled will it make a huge differnce?



    Maybe thats the answer for people not happy with the speed/snapiness?
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  • Reply 47 of 74
    sunilramansunilraman Posts: 8,133member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by jimbo123

    when quartz extreme is enabled will it make a huge differnce?



    Maybe thats the answer for people not happy with the speed/snapiness?






    hmmm.... yes and no



    i would suggest 512mb ram minimum, 1+ ghz G4, and force-enable quartz extreme as an overall package of tweaks for people unsatisfied with their performance...



    this plus using dashboard widgets conservatively





    and also waiting for 10.4.2 and apple and dashboard developers to tweak the dashboard API



    i think that's why WWDC is important and they wanted Tiger out. Core Image, Dashboard, H.264, all a lot of good stuff there in Tiger, but let the tweaking begin...!!



    (edit)

    i haven't tried developing in Dashboard so i'm only perceiving it from an end user, but i have to concede the API needs a little more 'discipline' in terms of widgets accessing CPU, RAM, internet connections, system-level info



    btw, for all my Tiger cheerleading, i simply refuse to use the iTunes widget, but in any case i believe Apple has set off upon the right path
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  • Reply 48 of 74
    When will X11 be included again? I found the installer folder in Applications and there it was, yet when I installed it, nothing appeared. I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. I tried opening the Excel sheet with the Appleworks included with my new 2.0 GHz iMac and it won't open it either. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian
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  • Reply 49 of 74
    sunilramansunilraman Posts: 8,133member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Brian Green

    When will X11 be included again? I found the installer folder in Applications and there it was, yet when I installed it, nothing appeared. I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. I tried opening the Excel sheet with the Appleworks included with my new 2.0 GHz iMac and it won't open it either. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian



    umm try install xcode developer tools on the Tiger dvd? i think that installs x11, but i could be just talking out of my ass. \
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  • Reply 50 of 74
    sunilraman, sorry but that didn't work either. XTools is now installed but Spotlight still brings up nothing for Apps. I'm surprised that something like X11 wouldn't come with Tiger. Anyone have anymore info on this matter? Perhaps a later version of Tiger will have it?



    Thanks,

    Brian



    Quote:

    Originally posted by sunilraman

    umm try install xcode developer tools on the Tiger dvd? i think that installs x11, but i could be just talking out of my ass. \



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  • Reply 51 of 74
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Brian Green

    sunilraman, sorry but that didn't work either. XTools is now installed but Spotlight still brings up nothing for Apps. I'm surprised that something like X11 wouldn't come with Tiger. Anyone have anymore info on this matter? Perhaps a later version of Tiger will have it?



    Thanks,

    Brian




    It's in the Xcode Tools installer. Just installed it last night
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  • Reply 52 of 74
    brian greenbrian green Posts: 663member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by gregmightdothat

    It's in the Xcode Tools installer. Just installed it last night



    You probably also have to note that I'm not installing with a Tiger DVD. I bought a new 2.0 GHz iMac and it came all preinstalled. The installation discs don't allow me to install just X11. I could wipe my hard drive and install new and then hope I can click the X11 box. How could Apple screw up something so easy? They should have just installed EVERYTHING on my iMac and then let me decide what I wanted and what I didn't. Unless they come out with a separate installer I guess I'm just SOL.



    by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?
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  • Reply 53 of 74
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    OK let me get this straight. They did NOT increase the Quartz Extreme reqs, right? It would still be on for a 867mhz PowerBook G4 12" right? I just can't use Quartz 2D.



    Also, is there a way to kill Dashboard? What's it called in the process manager. I agree, they should REALLY add an OFF button. There needs to be a Dashboard Pref Pane, with an OFF button.
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  • Reply 54 of 74
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquatic

    Also, is there a way to kill Dashboard? What's it called in the process manager. I agree, they should REALLY add an OFF button. There needs to be a Dashboard Pref Pane, with an OFF button.







    WHYYYYYY



    The dashboard is a subprocess of the dock.. if you have no widgets open then it uses NO MEMORY.. the dock uses under 5mb alone.



    Are you one of the people who also hates the dock?
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  • Reply 55 of 74
    tilttilt Posts: 396member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Brian Green

    I need X11 to run Open Office for some work Excel sheets. *snip*. Any ideas aside from buying Office? Thanks in advance, Brian



    Brian,



    Have you tried NeoOffice/J? This is basically a Mac version of OpenOffice.Org. I use it and am happy with it except for the fact that it takes a long time to load (just like OO.O). This does not require X11.



    Cheers
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  • Reply 56 of 74
    gene cleangene clean Posts: 3,481member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Brian Green





    by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?






    http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos...formacosx.html
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  • Reply 57 of 74
    glyphglyph Posts: 58member
    doing a custom install allows you to install x11. you can also select what printer drivers/ languages to install.
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  • Reply 58 of 74
    kwsanderskwsanders Posts: 327member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Jimzip

    [Oh, and it kicks the CR*P out of MS Word in my opinion.. So be gentle.. Sheesh,



    I had a resume from someone last night that would not open properly in Pages. There were some border outlines from Word that it did not like.
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  • Reply 59 of 74
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Brian Green

    You probably also have to note that I'm not installing with a Tiger DVD. I bought a new 2.0 GHz iMac and it came all preinstalled. The installation discs don't allow me to install just X11. I could wipe my hard drive and install new and then hope I can click the X11 box. How could Apple screw up something so easy? They should have just installed EVERYTHING on my iMac and then let me decide what I wanted and what I didn't. Unless they come out with a separate installer I guess I'm just SOL.



    by the way, gregmightdothat, I installed XCode tools from the installation discs that came with my iMac. X11 is nowhere to be found in them. Care to elaborate as to where X11 was?




    You have to do a custom install.
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  • Reply 60 of 74
    brian greenbrian green Posts: 663member
    Quote:



    Gene Clean, I had thought of that as well, but scope out the post date of October 28, 2003. Even more interesting is the fact that I tried installing it again and this time took a screenshot of the result. I'd attach the pic but I don't know how.





    There in the pic is says that newer software already exists on this computer. If Finder can't find it and Spotlight can't find it, where is it? Is it hidden until a later version of Tiger?



    I did a complete reinstall with the system discs that came with the 2.0 GHz iMac and no such option exists to select which software you want to install. Apparently, that feature exists only with separate Tiger distros.
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