Look, you saying I was quick to accuse him is as bad as me saying he lied. So let's both grow up.
The truth is this, he said he had some great PPC products to come, 3 months later and no more than 9 months to go till Mactel, we have to yet to see any of this. As each day goes by, the chance dwindles that anything "great" will appear.
I guess we will see in 9 months, I will set a calendar reminder to revist this thread and eat crow if need be.
Look, you saying I was quick to accuse him is as bad as me saying he lied. So let's both grow up.
The truth is this, he said he had some great PPC products to come, 3 months later and no more than 9 months to go till Mactel, we have to yet to see any of this. As each day goes by, the chance dwindles that anything "great" will appear.
I guess we will see in 9 months, I will set a calendar reminder to revist this thread and eat crow if need be.
Look, he didn't lie. It's that simple. Don't pretend your putting down 3GHz G5 wasn't meant the way I took it because it was.
I'm getting tired of this childish business of accusing him when something beyond Apple's control happens. Perhaps he should have said "IBM says". But it shouldn't have been required.
He expected it to happen, we expected it to happen. It didn't. Get over it.
Until Apple goes over to x86 entirely, we won't know what they will be coming out with. Just because YOU expect something at a particular time doesn't mean that they have to adhere to your schedule.
If 7448's and G5 fx's and MP's aren't available in sufficient quantities yet, then Apple won't announce. It's that simple. It's happened before.
Remember a year ago Apple discontinued the old iMacs because they were going to announce the new iMac G5's? It didn't happen because IBM didn't have enough chips. What if Jobs had announced them in March? Would he have lied? No. Of course not. He expected them to be available in June. He was lucky that he didn't say anything at that time.
Yes, it was meant that way and I am not trying to pretend it wasn't. My point was we are both on the extreme sides of this argument.
The fact is, Steve has told a big one, even if it wasn't his fault, and that can't be changed nor does he get a freebie because a supplier was a fault.
As far as "something out of his control" goes, I have to to accountable for my actions at my work and the same applies to Steve. Your giving Steve a get out of jail free card because someone else gave him the screw, I am saying, if you don't know, then don't say.
Expectations are great, when they are given in that context.
So I think we have concluded that Steve has lied in the past and I guess we will see what happens when the dust settles in 9 months...
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Originally posted by melgross
Look, he didn't lie. It's that simple. Don't pretend your putting down 3GHz G5 wasn't meant the way I took it because it was.
I'm getting tired of this childish business of accusing him when something beyond Apple's control happens. Perhaps he should have said "IBM says". But it shouldn't have been required.
He expected it to happen, we expected it to happen. It didn't. Get over it.
Until Apple goes over to x86 entirely, we won't know what they will be coming out with. Just because YOU expect something at a particular time doesn't mean that they have to adhere to your schedule.
If 7448's and G5 fx's and MP's aren't available in sufficient quantities yet, then Apple won't announce. It's that simple. It's happened before.
Remember a year ago Apple discontinued the old iMacs because they were going to announce the new iMac G5's? It didn't happen because IBM didn't have enough chips. What if Jobs had announced them in March? Would he have lied? No. Of course not. He expected them to be available in June. He was lucky that he didn't say anything at that time.
Yes, it was meant that way and I am not trying to pretend it wasn't. My point was we are both on the extreme sides of this argument.
The fact is, Steve has told a big one, even if it wasn't his fault, and that can't be changed nor does he get a freebie because a supplier was a fault.
As far as "something out of his control" goes, I have to to accountable for my actions at my work and the same applies to Steve. Your giving Steve a get out of jail free card because someone else gave him the screw, I am saying, if you don't know, then don't say.
Expectations are great, when they are given in that context.
So I think we have concluded that Steve has lied in the past and I guess we will see what happens when the dust settles in 9 months...
You're just continuing this silliness. He didn't tell a"big one". That would mean that he KNEW in advance that it wouldn't happen. Is that what you're saying? That he knew that IBM couldn't deliver what they said they would? Because that would have been a lie.
Even though I was a partner in my two business's over the years, that didn't mean that I would have lied if I told a client that my supplier had a new product coming up in a couple of months, and it didn't happen.
We all must rely on information supplied by others. If at all possible independent research must be done. But that isn't always possible. Kodak, Agfa, Fuji and others screwed us at times over the years. That's not my fault. My customers and clients understood that. And yes, they weren't happy about the result.
An incident I can relate; When Kodak discontinued internegative film (to make prints from transparencies), Fuji assured us that they would continue production for the "forseeable future". I told my clients that we wouldn't have a problem for some time, based on that. One month later Fuji discontinued it. We had to try to buy up as much as we could, at the same time everyone else was doing the same. Did I lie? No. did Fuji lie? I don't think so because at the time they said it, they meant it. The situation changed and they re=evaluated their decision.
That's the way it works.
I'm not being extreme. I'm being reasonable. Maybe it's because I've been in business a long time and have seen how it works.
You NEVER promise anything if you are not sure its gonna be available 100% or not.
If you make that promise, not only are you a bad salesmen, but you are also a LIAR.
Wether intentional, or not.
Oh, here we go. That's just plain stupid. No one EVER knows for certain whether something will or won't happen. It's impossible. You must have "lied" yourself numerous times during your life then.
There seems to be a lack of understanding as to what the word "lie" means. It's the intentional dissemination of information known to be false.
One can be mistaken without being a liar. One can be assured of something, only to find those assurances to be wrong. Who is the liar then? Was it the IBM executives who, no doubt, told him that it would be done? Was it the guys in the plant who thought that everything was up to specs? How about the engineers who designed the chips? Or the researchers who had no idea that there would be such leakage problems?
I'm just going to presume that you guys are joking at this point.
Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.
The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:
a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;
b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;
c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;
d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.
The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.
Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.
If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.
Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.
The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:
a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;
b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;
c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;
d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.
The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.
Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.
If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.
Well that's the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. You can never be 100% sure of ANYTHING in this life.. how old are you, 12?
Moron.
Oh, thanks. Your post stand high up there while mine (according to you) is down there somewhere. I am simply astonished with your eloquence of writing and clear thoughts expressed in the above quoted post. Compared to mine, yours is pure genius.
The point is, you don't make public promises if you're not absolutely sure that you will have what is needed. Why doesn't HP hold a Keynote and claim "We will have 16 Ghz by next year, Intel said so!" ? Why doesn't Dell? Anyone? Because they are smart enough not to promise things of which they are not certain of.
If you failed to see what I said in my 'stupid' post (together with melgross) then I'm afraid that you have a comprehension problem. Or you don't have the necessary 'processing power' (is it 3 Ghz? ) to 'process' those simple words.
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If it is not your intention to decieve then you are not lying.
So someone calls you immature (for your point of view) and what do you do? Flame.
Yeah that really is mature.
The dictionary says a lie is 'an intentionally false statement' - Jobs did not intentional misinform people, hence: he did not lie. Was he right to pre-announce 3GHz? No, but just because he was foolish to do so does not make him a lier.
If you really think so then you're just not using words for their intended purpose.
Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.
The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:
a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;
b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;
c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;
d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.
The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.
Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.
If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.
Pierre
Gatineau (Quebec)
What are you talking about? What does Job's salary have to do with PPC development? Apple doesn't pay for any of that. It was suggested that perhaps Apple should, if they wanted IBM to do more. Also I don't know where you've been reading about this 2 week commitment. Perhaps from unhappy readers? It isn't done that way.
Try to keep up with developments. Motorola doesn't make PPC chips anymore. This will SAVE Freescale and IBM development money if they decide to discontinue the line of development that Apple needed. Though in Freescales case Apple was(is) just buying embedded CPU's and using them.
Freescale and IBM NEVER sold chips to Apple below cost.
It's true that PB sales are slacking.
The first half of that is true. Powermac sales have slowed, and need an injection. The second half is still untrue.
You may not have noticed but Apple's marketshare has been going up. From 2.8% to 3.7% to 4.5%.
This next paragraph isn't worthy of a rebuttal. It just repeats the same errors.
We don't expect any Mactel models to be announced at SF.
Nothing goes smoothly it the world of computers. We hope for the best.
I have a lot of stock, and I don't agree with that.
Oh, thanks. Your post stand high up there while mine (according to you) is down there somewhere. I am simply astonished with your eloquence of writing and clear thoughts expressed in the above quoted post. Compared to mine, yours is pure genius.
The point is, you don't make public promises if you're not absolutely sure that you will have what is needed. Why doesn't HP hold a Keynote and claim "We will have 16 Ghz by next year, Intel said so!" ? Why doesn't Dell? Anyone? Because they are smart enough not to promise things of which they are not certain of.
If you failed to see what I said in my 'stupid' post (together with melgross) then I'm afraid that you have a comprehension problem. Or you don't have the necessary 'processing power' (is it 3 Ghz? ) to 'process' those simple words.
What part of this did you not see, genius?
In any case, fuck off loser.
Just because your grasp of the English language has been deteriorating as of late it doesn't mean that I must go along with it.
You can make up your own definitions, but then you will be the only who understands them. 10.4 has a built-in dictionary. Use it.
So someone calls you immature (for your point of view) and what do you do? Flame.
Yeah that really is mature.
The dictionary says a lie is 'an intentionally false statement' - Jobs did not intentional misinform people, hence: he did not lie. Was he right to pre-announce 3GHz? No, but just because he was foolish to do so does not make him a lier.
If you really think so then you're just not using words for their intended purpose.
Thanks for your quote. It explains exactly what happened. Jobs is not a liar. He was just "maybe" immature to make such statement. He should know better by now and hopefully he will be more careful with his words.
And Gene Clean grow up. You are the loser here for using fool language. If you can't prove your point using proper language then keep you mouth or keyboard shut.
whoa... chill peoples? what the hell? i wake up today and you all are all over each other like Zergs and Terrans (i wont say which ones are Zergs and which are Terrans)
look, okay, it appears the definition of lying is not as simple as what we learnt growing up.
that said, there's a few clear things going on:
-it is clear that apple has failed to control its supply chain well enough in these past few years
-hence, steve and team had to make tough decisions to drop IBM and Freescale's ass quicksmart
-supply chain is very important, imagine if Dell said tomorrow, oh, sorry, we are running out of hard disks so everyone is stuck at 80gb 4200rpm for the next 3 months. exaggerated, yes, but just to illustrate.
if this turns out to be a Freescale and/or IBM screw up, i'm sure nobody in the world would be more pissed off than stevie J. he does not like being made the fool over and over and over and over again, regardless if one thinks he is a habitual liar or not.
no speaker looks forward to cancelling keynotes at the very last minute unless something seriously jacks up. the event planners aren't too pleased either, i worked for event planning for a few years in SF, i had *never* seen a keynote cancellation like this for Oracle, Cisco, PeopleSoft events of up to 10,000 attendees. something is up.
at least steve and co have the balls/ovaries to show up and face the angry mobs
Pierre, i would say that you are right on the money, except for this little thing called the iPod . and also, Apple accounts for a smaller part of Freescale business than you would think.... IBM, if they are so fantastic, then i presume that the xbox and ps3 will come off really well and delivered on time, well, we'll see.
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Originally posted by melgross
Oh please. Grow up.
Look, you saying I was quick to accuse him is as bad as me saying he lied. So let's both grow up.
The truth is this, he said he had some great PPC products to come, 3 months later and no more than 9 months to go till Mactel, we have to yet to see any of this. As each day goes by, the chance dwindles that anything "great" will appear.
I guess we will see in 9 months, I will set a calendar reminder to revist this thread and eat crow if need be.
So he will introduce everything (13.3 PB, DualCore PowerMacs and the iTunes Phone) tomorrow in one huge event.
Originally posted by aplnub
Look, you saying I was quick to accuse him is as bad as me saying he lied. So let's both grow up.
The truth is this, he said he had some great PPC products to come, 3 months later and no more than 9 months to go till Mactel, we have to yet to see any of this. As each day goes by, the chance dwindles that anything "great" will appear.
I guess we will see in 9 months, I will set a calendar reminder to revist this thread and eat crow if need be.
Look, he didn't lie. It's that simple. Don't pretend your putting down 3GHz G5 wasn't meant the way I took it because it was.
I'm getting tired of this childish business of accusing him when something beyond Apple's control happens. Perhaps he should have said "IBM says". But it shouldn't have been required.
He expected it to happen, we expected it to happen. It didn't. Get over it.
Until Apple goes over to x86 entirely, we won't know what they will be coming out with. Just because YOU expect something at a particular time doesn't mean that they have to adhere to your schedule.
If 7448's and G5 fx's and MP's aren't available in sufficient quantities yet, then Apple won't announce. It's that simple. It's happened before.
Remember a year ago Apple discontinued the old iMacs because they were going to announce the new iMac G5's? It didn't happen because IBM didn't have enough chips. What if Jobs had announced them in March? Would he have lied? No. Of course not. He expected them to be available in June. He was lucky that he didn't say anything at that time.
Apple has suddenly cancelled tomorrows special event, with no explanation as to why...
The fact is, Steve has told a big one, even if it wasn't his fault, and that can't be changed nor does he get a freebie because a supplier was a fault.
As far as "something out of his control" goes, I have to to accountable for my actions at my work and the same applies to Steve. Your giving Steve a get out of jail free card because someone else gave him the screw, I am saying, if you don't know, then don't say.
Expectations are great, when they are given in that context.
So I think we have concluded that Steve has lied in the past and I guess we will see what happens when the dust settles in 9 months...
Originally posted by melgross
Look, he didn't lie. It's that simple. Don't pretend your putting down 3GHz G5 wasn't meant the way I took it because it was.
I'm getting tired of this childish business of accusing him when something beyond Apple's control happens. Perhaps he should have said "IBM says". But it shouldn't have been required.
He expected it to happen, we expected it to happen. It didn't. Get over it.
Until Apple goes over to x86 entirely, we won't know what they will be coming out with. Just because YOU expect something at a particular time doesn't mean that they have to adhere to your schedule.
If 7448's and G5 fx's and MP's aren't available in sufficient quantities yet, then Apple won't announce. It's that simple. It's happened before.
Remember a year ago Apple discontinued the old iMacs because they were going to announce the new iMac G5's? It didn't happen because IBM didn't have enough chips. What if Jobs had announced them in March? Would he have lied? No. Of course not. He expected them to be available in June. He was lucky that he didn't say anything at that time.
Originally posted by aplnub
Yes, it was meant that way and I am not trying to pretend it wasn't. My point was we are both on the extreme sides of this argument.
The fact is, Steve has told a big one, even if it wasn't his fault, and that can't be changed nor does he get a freebie because a supplier was a fault.
As far as "something out of his control" goes, I have to to accountable for my actions at my work and the same applies to Steve. Your giving Steve a get out of jail free card because someone else gave him the screw, I am saying, if you don't know, then don't say.
Expectations are great, when they are given in that context.
So I think we have concluded that Steve has lied in the past and I guess we will see what happens when the dust settles in 9 months...
You're just continuing this silliness. He didn't tell a"big one". That would mean that he KNEW in advance that it wouldn't happen. Is that what you're saying? That he knew that IBM couldn't deliver what they said they would? Because that would have been a lie.
Even though I was a partner in my two business's over the years, that didn't mean that I would have lied if I told a client that my supplier had a new product coming up in a couple of months, and it didn't happen.
We all must rely on information supplied by others. If at all possible independent research must be done. But that isn't always possible. Kodak, Agfa, Fuji and others screwed us at times over the years. That's not my fault. My customers and clients understood that. And yes, they weren't happy about the result.
An incident I can relate; When Kodak discontinued internegative film (to make prints from transparencies), Fuji assured us that they would continue production for the "forseeable future". I told my clients that we wouldn't have a problem for some time, based on that. One month later Fuji discontinued it. We had to try to buy up as much as we could, at the same time everyone else was doing the same. Did I lie? No. did Fuji lie? I don't think so because at the time they said it, they meant it. The situation changed and they re=evaluated their decision.
That's the way it works.
I'm not being extreme. I'm being reasonable. Maybe it's because I've been in business a long time and have seen how it works.
If you make that promise, not only are you a bad salesmen, but you are also a LIAR.
Wether intentional, or not.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
You NEVER promise anything if you are not sure its gonna be available 100% or not.
If you make that promise, not only are you a bad salesmen, but you are also a LIAR.
Wether intentional, or not.
Oh, here we go. That's just plain stupid. No one EVER knows for certain whether something will or won't happen. It's impossible. You must have "lied" yourself numerous times during your life then.
There seems to be a lack of understanding as to what the word "lie" means. It's the intentional dissemination of information known to be false.
One can be mistaken without being a liar. One can be assured of something, only to find those assurances to be wrong. Who is the liar then? Was it the IBM executives who, no doubt, told him that it would be done? Was it the guys in the plant who thought that everything was up to specs? How about the engineers who designed the chips? Or the researchers who had no idea that there would be such leakage problems?
I'm just going to presume that you guys are joking at this point.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
You NEVER promise anything if you are not sure its gonna be available 100% or not.
If you make that promise, not only are you a bad salesmen, but you are also a LIAR.
Wether intentional, or not.
Well that's the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. You can never be 100% sure of ANYTHING in this life.. how old are you, 12?
If it is not your intention to decieve then you are not lying.
Moron.
Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.
The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:
a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;
b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;
c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;
d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.
The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.
Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.
If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.
Pierre
Gatineau (Quebec)
Originally posted by ouragan
Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.
The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:
a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;
b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;
c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;
d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.
The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.
Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.
If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.
Pierre
Gatineau (Quebec)
I ignored this because you used big type.
Originally posted by vinney57
Well that's the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. You can never be 100% sure of ANYTHING in this life.. how old are you, 12?
Moron.
Oh, thanks. Your post stand high up there while mine (according to you) is down there somewhere. I am simply astonished with your eloquence of writing and clear thoughts expressed in the above quoted post. Compared to mine, yours is pure genius.
The point is, you don't make public promises if you're not absolutely sure that you will have what is needed. Why doesn't HP hold a Keynote and claim "We will have 16 Ghz by next year, Intel said so!" ? Why doesn't Dell? Anyone? Because they are smart enough not to promise things of which they are not certain of.
If you failed to see what I said in my 'stupid' post (together with melgross) then I'm afraid that you have a comprehension problem. Or you don't have the necessary 'processing power' (is it 3 Ghz?
If it is not your intention to decieve then you are not lying.
What part of this did you not see, genius?
Wether intentional, or not.
In any case, fuck off loser.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
What part of this did you not see, genius?
In any case, fuck off loser.
So someone calls you immature (for your point of view) and what do you do? Flame.
Yeah that really is mature.
The dictionary says a lie is 'an intentionally false statement' - Jobs did not intentional misinform people, hence: he did not lie. Was he right to pre-announce 3GHz? No, but just because he was foolish to do so does not make him a lier.
If you really think so then you're just not using words for their intended purpose.
Originally posted by ouragan
Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.
The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:
a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;
b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;
c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;
d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.
The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.
Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.
Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.
If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.
Pierre
Gatineau (Quebec)
What are you talking about? What does Job's salary have to do with PPC development? Apple doesn't pay for any of that. It was suggested that perhaps Apple should, if they wanted IBM to do more. Also I don't know where you've been reading about this 2 week commitment. Perhaps from unhappy readers? It isn't done that way.
Try to keep up with developments. Motorola doesn't make PPC chips anymore. This will SAVE Freescale and IBM development money if they decide to discontinue the line of development that Apple needed. Though in Freescales case Apple was(is) just buying embedded CPU's and using them.
Freescale and IBM NEVER sold chips to Apple below cost.
It's true that PB sales are slacking.
The first half of that is true. Powermac sales have slowed, and need an injection. The second half is still untrue.
You may not have noticed but Apple's marketshare has been going up. From 2.8% to 3.7% to 4.5%.
This next paragraph isn't worthy of a rebuttal. It just repeats the same errors.
We don't expect any Mactel models to be announced at SF.
Nothing goes smoothly it the world of computers. We hope for the best.
I have a lot of stock, and I don't agree with that.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
Oh, thanks. Your post stand high up there while mine (according to you) is down there somewhere. I am simply astonished with your eloquence of writing and clear thoughts expressed in the above quoted post. Compared to mine, yours is pure genius.
The point is, you don't make public promises if you're not absolutely sure that you will have what is needed. Why doesn't HP hold a Keynote and claim "We will have 16 Ghz by next year, Intel said so!" ? Why doesn't Dell? Anyone? Because they are smart enough not to promise things of which they are not certain of.
If you failed to see what I said in my 'stupid' post (together with melgross) then I'm afraid that you have a comprehension problem. Or you don't have the necessary 'processing power' (is it 3 Ghz?
What part of this did you not see, genius?
In any case, fuck off loser.
Just because your grasp of the English language has been deteriorating as of late it doesn't mean that I must go along with it.
You can make up your own definitions, but then you will be the only who understands them. 10.4 has a built-in dictionary. Use it.
Originally posted by esXXI
So someone calls you immature (for your point of view) and what do you do? Flame.
Yeah that really is mature.
The dictionary says a lie is 'an intentionally false statement' - Jobs did not intentional misinform people, hence: he did not lie. Was he right to pre-announce 3GHz? No, but just because he was foolish to do so does not make him a lier.
If you really think so then you're just not using words for their intended purpose.
Thanks for your quote. It explains exactly what happened. Jobs is not a liar. He was just "maybe" immature to make such statement. He should know better by now and hopefully he will be more careful with his words.
And Gene Clean grow up. You are the loser here for using fool language. If you can't prove your point using proper language then keep you mouth or keyboard shut.
look, okay, it appears the definition of lying is not as simple as what we learnt growing up.
that said, there's a few clear things going on:
-it is clear that apple has failed to control its supply chain well enough in these past few years
-hence, steve and team had to make tough decisions to drop IBM and Freescale's ass quicksmart
-supply chain is very important, imagine if Dell said tomorrow, oh, sorry, we are running out of hard disks so everyone is stuck at 80gb 4200rpm for the next 3 months. exaggerated, yes, but just to illustrate.
if this turns out to be a Freescale and/or IBM screw up, i'm sure nobody in the world would be more pissed off than stevie J. he does not like being made the fool over and over and over and over again, regardless if one thinks he is a habitual liar or not.
no speaker looks forward to cancelling keynotes at the very last minute unless something seriously jacks up. the event planners aren't too pleased either, i worked for event planning for a few years in SF, i had *never* seen a keynote cancellation like this for Oracle, Cisco, PeopleSoft events of up to 10,000 attendees. something is up.
at least steve and co have the balls/ovaries to show up and face the angry mobs
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Originally posted by vinney57
Worst thread ever... somebody please kill it.
but aren't you glad you learned the origins of the phrase "to pull out all the stops"???